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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 19, 2009 11:46:43 GMT -5
Basically what makes the physical real? Are all of the things we See, Touch, Taste, Smell, and Hear real or mere perceptions of stimuli. If this is not real then what is?
"Don't try and bend the spoon that is impossible instead only try to realize the truth/ What Truth?/ There is no spoon...."
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 20, 2009 0:16:59 GMT -5
2 approaches I can see to answer the question
1. Know everything and thus know the answer to the question "what is real"
2. Perceive beyond perception
Marinate on the last one for a second
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on May 20, 2009 7:45:17 GMT -5
[cannot find a true answer to this question]
If we truly are just pawns in the system, then the system has disillusioned us to the point that only a rare percentage of people are able to see through the bullshyt.
[puts on his bullshyt-proof glasses and sees a little kid with a chemistry set]
I KNEW IT!!!!!!
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on May 20, 2009 13:09:08 GMT -5
Wow - a big jump down the Rabbits Hole!!
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Post by nsync on May 21, 2009 1:31:30 GMT -5
It doesn't matter cause we all gonna die.LOL If we know nothing else we know that.
Since enternity is supposedly longer than "conscious life" then I sometimes wonder what life really is. What is it's meaning? Is just the interruption of things?
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Post by Fraternal Design on May 21, 2009 19:45:43 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to the "evil genius" theory, which is pretty much what The Matrix was based on. blah blah blah, somebody will come give a dissertation about why The Matrix was NOT based on the "evil genius" theory, and pretty much prove my point. I'll say something like "screw you" and it will be over. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_hypothesis |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 21, 2009 21:19:52 GMT -5
I don't subscribe to the "evil genius" theory, which is pretty much what The Matrix was based on. blah blah blah, somebody will come give a dissertation about why The Matrix was NOT based on the "evil genius" theory, and pretty much prove my point. I'll say something like "screw you" and it will be over. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_hypothesisStop with the Preemptive Ralphie T on the topic dude. lol  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 21, 2009 21:23:34 GMT -5
Okay so when we look at how we see, hear, touch, taste, and smell it is all electrical stimuli. If your sensory centers for all the aforementioned are impaired slightly then you aren't able to function in the affected area. So this begs the question what is actually real? Is the bird real and gives off an electrical impulse or is there no bird at all and we perceive the electrical impulse to create the bird ourselves?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 25, 2009 9:54:53 GMT -5
2 approaches I can see to answer the question
1. Know everything and thus know the answer to the question "what is real"
2. Perceive beyond perception
Marinate on the last one for a second |
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 25, 2009 14:17:37 GMT -5
2 approaches I can see to answer the question
1. Know everything and thus know the answer to the question "what is real"
2. Perceive beyond perception
Marinate on the last one for a second
It's not enough to acquire other senses (beyond the basic 5) because any sense that requires your brain to interpret the electric signal runs into the same problem as the first 5. You have to be informed outside of that mechanism... i.e. perception outside of perception. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 26, 2009 0:58:34 GMT -5
Okay I think I have marinated enough lol Expound on #2 please sir.
It's not enough to acquire other senses (beyond the basic 5) because any sense that requires your brain to interpret the electric signal runs into the same problem as the first 5. You have to be informed outside of that mechanism... i.e. perception outside of perception. So seeing without seeing.. Hearing without hearing? Kinda like some darkside star wars the force type deal? hmmpf. But what if the perception is but a perception itself? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 27, 2009 7:59:51 GMT -5
To know something basically without observing it through your 5 senses... in other words to be spiritually informed.
It's not enough to acquire other senses (beyond the basic 5) because any sense that requires your brain to interpret the electric signal runs into the same problem as the first 5. You have to be informed outside of that mechanism... i.e. perception outside of perception. So seeing without seeing.. Hearing without hearing? Kinda like some darkside star wars the force type deal? hmmpf. But what if the perception is but a perception itself? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 27, 2009 13:25:33 GMT -5
So seeing without seeing.. Hearing without hearing? Kinda like some darkside star wars the force type deal? hmmpf. But what if the perception is but a perception itself?
Is there really a spirit realm though? So what you are saying is that in the spirit realm we would be able to do what you have stated? Ok...
We are all made up of cells. Cells respond to light which means they in some way can see, they respond to touch, they respond to sound, they respond to gravity, etc. Bacteria use the same light sensitive mechanism to "see" as we do but they have no eyes as we do. Oh btw look what I found >>> www.archive.org/stream/biologyofcellsur00just |
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Post by DamieQue™ on May 27, 2009 14:32:32 GMT -5
Yes but no. Seeing without seeing through your eyes. Hearing without hearing through your ears is more like what I'm talking about. If we could somehow know something through our Spirits rather than our physical brains in the perception beyond perction that I'm talking about (note: I'm defining perception as: observation and experience as communicated through our 5 physical senses. )
Is there really a spirit realm though? So what you are saying is that in the spirit realm we would be able to do what you have stated? Ok...
We are all made up of cells. Cells respond to light which means they in some way can see, they respond to touch, they respond to sound, they respond to gravity, etc. Bacteria use the same light sensitive mechanism to "see" as we do but they have no eyes as we do. Oh btw look what I found >>> www.archive.org/stream/biologyofcellsur00just |
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Post by nsync on May 28, 2009 17:49:41 GMT -5
I don't know if our senses deceive us but I know the media does. It's such a conditioning tool---and it creates a world that virtually does not exits.
So in that case there really is no spoon, but we are surely being spoon fed lies and regulated information.
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Post by No Screen Name on May 29, 2009 16:25:50 GMT -5
I don't know if our senses deceive us but I know the media does. It's such a conditioning toold---and it creates a world that virtually does not exits. So in that case there really is no spoon, but we are surely being spoon fed lies and regulated information. EXALT. You are exactly right. SO many people live in this media created world rather than the "real" world that it's really disheartening. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 1, 2009 6:59:34 GMT -5
So what do you all suppose they meant in the movie when they said, "it's not the spoon that bends, it's you that bends"? (Yeah I know, I know - I'm paraphrasing but you know what I mean)
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Post by Kryptik on Jun 2, 2009 14:27:39 GMT -5
So what do you all suppose they meant in the movie when they said, "it's not the spoon that bends, it's you that bends"? (Yeah I know, I know - I'm paraphrasing but you know what I mean) I would say that they were trying to express the idea that Truth is Relative. It is our "perception" of the spoon that changes which is all that matters to most. Someone might describe temperature in the same way. Its 60 degrees outside, is it hot or cold? Us southern folks might say its cold, whereas some of you northerners might say its pleasantly warm. The "spoon" doesn't change, just our perception of it. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jun 2, 2009 14:59:16 GMT -5
So what do you all suppose they meant in the movie when they said, "it's not the spoon that bends, it's you that bends"? (Yeah I know, I know - I'm paraphrasing but you know what I mean) I would say that they were trying to express the idea that Truth is Relative. It is our "perception" of the spoon that changes which is all that matters to most. Someone might describe temperature in the same way. Its 60 degrees outside, is it hot or cold? Us southern folks might say its cold, whereas some of you northerners might say its pleasantly warm. The "spoon" doesn't change, just our perception of it. |
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Post by trunksie on Jun 2, 2009 22:24:43 GMT -5
i didnt click the link cause i didnt want it to be scary (i know how u are vudoo)
but i dig the convo
im not buying percption is mere stimuli that we respond to. with so many people with so many different factors what is the probablity that everyone would react to the same stimuli...such as what is a spoon or if it even exists or not
personally i feel there is a force that keeps "reality" constant...it would be chaos if there wasnt
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