ENOCH

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

Hebrews 11:5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, so that he did not have a glimpse of death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For even before he was taken to heaven, he received testimony that he had pleased and been satisfactory to God. [Genesis 5:21-24.]

At the age of 65 Enoch had a son named Methuselah.

"And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and he begat sons and daughters" (Gen. 5:22).

Here was a man that walked with God, a man that pleased God.

Hebrews 11:5 "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."


Hebrews 11:5 (New Linving Translation) "It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.” For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God.

This was a man who walked with, spared from death, given testimony directly from God, and translated/taken up by God.

So, why was the Book of Enoch removed from the Bible?

[DamieQue™]

Kind of a misnomer... it hasn't been removed from every Bible -in some it was never included - in some it was - depends on what church you're apart of (Protestant Christian, Catholic, Jew, Orthodox Christian).

What it comes down to is canon, and that comes down to opinion. There are some that didn't want the Book of Revelations included in the Bible. Some say the book of James shouldn't be included. Enoch is not included because religious leaders at the time that canon was established did not look favorably on it. You can say that disfavor was religously inspired, politically inspired, textually based, authorship based, authenticity based (etc.) and you could probably make a case that each had a part in it's removal (just as each would have a role in it's inclusion)

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

So, do you discount it or do you seek it out? I know a lot of Books have been removed - but this one in particular would seem to be of great importance. The Bible itself, gives great creditibility to the man.

[Mrs. Eyes]

I agree. I want to find some of the Book of the Bible that have been removed, ie. Mary Mag

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

May 11, 2009 11:15:03 GMT -5 Mrs. Eyes said:

I agree. I want to find some of the Book of the Bible that have been removed, ie. Mary Mag

A lot of them are online now Hyp.

[Mrs. Eyes]

WHAT?!

SHUT UP! I'll be a searchin' today!

[DamieQue™]

May 11, 2009 9:41:05 GMT -5 LogAKAlly <3'n Keef said:

So, do you discount it or do you seek it out? I know a lot of Books have been removed - but this one in particular would seem to be of great importance. The Bible itself, gives great creditibility to the man.

That's the question you ask of any number of books (and again depends on what (if any) denomination you subscribe to). I'm not Catholic, so I don't use their Bible (which IS different than the Protestant Bible in terms of books it incorporates).

It's really a judgement call for the individual (p.s. just because that book's named after him doesn't mean it's his actual accounts - that's not an automatic disqualifier but don't use the fact that it's named after Enoch over-influence you... most Biblical scholars argue that he had nothing to do with the authoring of that book)

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

May 11, 2009 11:40:04 GMT -5 DamieQue™ said:

May 11, 2009 9:41:05 GMT -5 LogAKAlly <3'n Keef said:

So, do you discount it or do you seek it out? I know a lot of Books have been removed - but this one in particular would seem to be of great importance. The Bible itself, gives great creditibility to the man.

That's the question you ask of any number of books (and again depends on what (if any) denomination you subscribe to). I'm not Catholic, so I don't use their Bible (which IS different than the Protestant Bible in terms of books it incorporates).

It's really a judgement call for the individual (p.s. just because that book's named after him doesn't mean it's his actual accounts - that's not an automatic disqualifier but don't use the fact that it's named after Enoch over-influence you... most Biblical scholars argue that he had nothing to do with the authoring of that book)

That applies to the entire Bible as well. I've read aboout 75% it and there are some extremely fascinating things.

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

Question:

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.[/i]

But didn't God take Enoch up before Jesus descended from Heaven??

[DamieQue™]

May 11, 2009 11:54:15 GMT -5 LogAKAlly <3'n Keef said:

Question:

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

[/i]

But didn't God take Enoch up before Jesus descended from Heaven?? [/quote]

I think ascenion as they're using it here implies more than just being taken up. Ascenion as they're using it implies a descencion from a higher state to a lower state followed by ascenion. As in Ephesians 4:7

Ephesians 4

But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says:
"When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men." (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?

Lacking divinity, Enoch would be more aptly described as someone being taken up - not ascending (at least in the way that it's being used during this period)

[No Screen Name]

Here's a link to read the apocryphal books online:

www.riseisrael.com/apocrypha.htm

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

Question:

Did any other man walk with God?

[Cambist]

Elijah was also taken without dying.....

[LogAKAlly <3'n Keef]

*Whispers - Cam, that was gone be a new thread *

[Vudu_Prince]

Interesting.... The 6 and 7th books of Moses are also missing which goes into detail of the Magic and it s foundation that he was using and everyone "else" who supposedly used it as well. Supposed to be a hidden book that was handed down.... carry on I see the chain breaking has begun....

[kingdelta]

May 11, 2009 16:09:01 GMT -5 LogAKAlly <3'n Keef said:

Question:

Did any other man walk with God?

Noah