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Post by nsync on Apr 15, 2009 13:50:50 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer.
I navigate not to one side or another, but I hold fast to everything that I know about the center.
What is your balance point, VP? Far right extremely far left?
I understand a lot of what you are saying, but my conclusion is that we can not firmly say who plagarized whom. Unless we are 100% sure when something was conceived in the mind. Even if someone stamps a date on piece of work thatdoes not confirm the works true origin date. ALso, similarities are not necessarily plagarism.
Dual revelations happen all the time. A few months ago I drafted a plan that I was hype about. I went on line a few weeks ago and saw that someone had something very similar. Before I saw what they had I commented on their page. Now from here on out if I post my stuff that person would assume I copied from them, when in reality I had thought of it (perhaps before them) yet I posted it much later.
You get what I am saying? So my final point is most of what we believe requires some level of faith because we do not have definate proof of anything. Most of the life we live is based on perspective, social influence/experience and most importantly accepting someone that someone stated long before us.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 15, 2009 15:38:23 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer. I navigate not to one side or another, but I hold fast to everything that I know about the center.
What is your balance point, VP? Far right extremely far left?I understand a lot of what you are saying, but my conclusion is that we can not firmly say who plagarized whom. Unless we are 100% sure when something was conceived in the mind. Even if someone stamps a date on piece of work thatdoes not confirm the works true origin date. ALso, similarities are not necessarily plagarism. Dual revelations happen all the time. A few months ago I drafted a plan that I was hype about. I went on line a few weeks ago and saw that someone had something very similar. Before I saw what they had I commented on their page. Now from here on out if I post my stuff that person would assume I copied from them, when in reality I had thought of it (perhaps before them) yet I posted it much later. You get what I am saying? So my final point is most of what we believe requires some level of faith because we do not have definate proof of anything. Most of the life we live is based on perspective, social influence/experience and most importantly accepting someone that someone stated long before us.
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Post by huey on Apr 17, 2009 13:02:25 GMT -5
What does Heru have anything to do with Jesus
What does Auset have anything to do with Mary
I notice you mention it often and i have known others (IRL) to have as well but i've never found anything substantial between them.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 17, 2009 14:38:34 GMT -5
What does Heru have anything to do with Jesus What does Auset have anything to do with Mary I notice you mention it often and i have known others (IRL) to have as well but i've never found anything substantial between them.
Well first how Mary Joesph and Jesus are styled are in the same fashion by as Auset, Ausar and Heru. Heru is the child of Auset and Ausar or as you may know of as Isis and Osiris. Osiris was seen as God in Egypt and Horus was his Son. When you see the catholic church have relics of Mary nursing Jesus like this for an example>>>  they got it from here >>> This is Auset feeding Heru. This is before it received electrode treatment to restore it to look like this>>> So the Madonna relic was lifted from kemet. Venerating Mary as a Matron was lifted from the Sect of Auset. If you look at Ausets temples in kemet in pics it shows Christian Crosses stamped all over them.
As far as the stories of Osiris being murdered and brought back to life by Auset (after being prepared for her ritual by Anubis) and she was the first to see him... you go over to Jesus and Mary Magdalene was the first to see him. Osiris then has sex with Isis and impregnates her with Heru. The davinci code enthusiast lifted the Mary Magdalene being pregnant from Jesus out of this. The Knights Templar and later the Priory of Sion did as well and hung the lie of the heads of the churches in exchange for money until one King Phillip and the Pope at the time had them murdered for spreading hersay. The Priory of Sion tried to pick up in the 50's but never really caught on like the KT's. Osiris then goes to sit on the throne with Ra to rule. So Jesus was a mixture of Heru and Osiris together actually. Heru was born in a cave. Heru is the only begotten son of Osiris . Angels informed Auset about his power.
Now you may ask.. well VP how did this stuff end up in the bible..
Well I personally feel it was lifted from the works of Plato, Socrates and Aristotle. They all wrote extensively about Egypt. Remember the new testament was written in Greek originally. Jesus words were written in Aramaic but the text in its entirety was written in Greek starting in 45 CE. |
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Post by nsync on Apr 17, 2009 15:48:38 GMT -5
Do you have some recommended books to follow up on the topics of this comparison? I always said I was going to read into this more, because I have heard the comparison made often as well.
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Post by huey on Apr 17, 2009 16:14:17 GMT -5
My problem is that the bible isn't a picture book. The early Christian pictures of a seated Mary and nursing a baby Jesus could very will be influenced by images of Auset and Heru. But those paintings and sculptures came way later in Christian history. The painters/sculptors could have very well been influenced by the Kemetian imagery when doing their artwork, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the authors of the bible did. It's like two different things. So the black madonna could be lifted from kemet, but it doesn't mean the story is. Cuz maybe its just me, but even after you explained i still don't see what Heru has to do with Jesus. Maybe within the Auset-Osiris-Heru story you can take the theme of life-death-rebirth and connect it with the resurrection of Christ. Maybel i'm gettin confused as well, because i reread. Are you talking about both Marys? The Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene? Which is Auset? Mary Magdalene or Virgin Mary? Who is Jesus now? Osiris or Heru? Osiris sits on throne wit Ra to rule? I don't recall this Where is Heru born in a cave? I don't recall this either Angels informed Auset about his power. I dont recall this either Seriously i dont recall any details about Heru's birth or anything about Heru that equates him with Jesus. Alot of people say stuff or claim stuff but never back it up. It's one thing to say Heru was called the gentle lamb, and its another to post up some Heru Hymms or something to show it.  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 18, 2009 0:56:55 GMT -5
Do you have some recommended books to follow up on the topics of this comparison? I always said I was going to read into this more, because I have heard the comparison made often as well.
Did you take the chance to type in your search engine any of the names I have stated in this post? Do that for me and come back to show me what you found. Lets see if you are really serious about reading up on this. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 18, 2009 1:43:25 GMT -5
My problem is that the bible isn't a picture book. The early Christian pictures of a seated Mary and nursing a baby Jesus could very will be influenced by images of Auset and Heru. But those paintings and sculptures came way later in Christian history. The painters/sculptors could have very well been influenced by the Kemetian imagery when doing their artwork, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the authors of the bible did. It's like two different things. So the black madonna could be lifted from kemet, but it doesn't mean the story is. Cuz maybe its just me, but even after you explained i still don't see what Heru has to do with Jesus. Maybe within the Auset-Osiris-Heru story you can take the theme of life-death-rebirth and connect it with the resurrection of Christ. Maybel i'm gettin confused as well, because i reread. Are you talking about both Marys? The Virgin Mary and Mary Magdalene? Which is Auset? Mary Magdalene or Virgin Mary? Who is Jesus now? Osiris or Heru? Osiris sits on throne wit Ra to rule? I don't recall this Where is Heru born in a cave? I don't recall this either Angels informed Auset about his power. I dont recall this either Seriously i dont recall any details about Heru's birth or anything about Heru that equates him with Jesus. Alot of people say stuff or claim stuff but never back it up. It's one thing to say Heru was called the gentle lamb, and its another to post up some Heru Hymms or something to show it.
Lets start with Auset/Isis first take this step by step. Auset is the mother of Heru. The greeks and romans took many of the god out of kemet and changed the names. So instead of calling the land Kemet they called it Egypt. Instead of calling her Auset they called her Isis and she was worshiped throughout Greece and later Roman empires. This lasted until the crusades happened. The Catholic Church during this time absorbed some of the "pagan" ways as they destroyed them.. The veneration of Mary as Matron and intermediary between Men and God was lifted from the "Cults" of Isis as in concern to both Heru and Osiris. Another time when they destroyed the winter solstice festival of Saturnalia they absorbed some parts of it to attract the followers. They Developed a special mass for it. They called it Mary Christ Mass...now known as Merry Christmas. This is where the Dec 25th stuff comes from Saturnalia. Now Saturnalia was for the Roman God Saturn and Heru is associated with Saturn. The main reason the Protestants protested the catholic church was the Veneration of Mary. They knew this was a copy cat gesture of earlier "pagan" practices from the cults of Isis that predated Christianity. |
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Post by huey on Apr 23, 2009 12:21:53 GMT -5
Sorry I didnt reply to this sooner, but this does deserve a response. After you posted this i had to brush up on my Greek/Roman Mythology. Why do you say Heru is associated with Saturn because i see no comparisons really between the two in forms of the stories/myths associated with Saturn.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 23, 2009 12:41:10 GMT -5
Sorry I didnt reply to this sooner, but this does deserve a response. After you posted this i had to brush up on my Greek/Roman Mythology. Why do you say Heru is associated with Saturn because i see no comparisons really between the two in forms of the stories/myths associated with Saturn. Heru had many different aspects. The ancient kemetians associated Heru with Mars, Jupiter and of course Saturn. In the new kingdom in association with Mars it was called Heru on the Horizon earlier it was called Heru Desher or Horus the Red. So they knew that Mars was a red planet. In association with Jupiter it was called Heru who opens the mysteries. In association with Saturn it was Heru the Bull of the Sky. So those three heavenly bodies were aspects of Heru. The esoteric themes they have today are also aspects of Heru. |
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Post by huey on Apr 23, 2009 12:43:56 GMT -5
Sorry I didnt reply to this sooner, but this does deserve a response. After you posted this i had to brush up on my Greek/Roman Mythology. Why do you say Heru is associated with Saturn because i see no comparisons really between the two in forms of the stories/myths associated with Saturn. Heru had many different aspects. The ancient kemetians associated Heru with Mars, Jupiter and of course Saturn. In the new kingdom in association with Mars it was called Heru on the Horizon earlier it was called Heru Desher or Horus the Red. So they knew that Mars was a red planet. In association with Jupiter it was called Heru who opens the mysteries. In association with Saturn it was Heru the Bull of the Sky. So those three heavenly bodies were aspects of Heru. The esoteric themes they have today are also aspects of Heru. Maybe i had interpreted wrong. I knew Heru was associated with the different planets and different times. When you said he was associated with Saturn, i didn't think the planet, but more so the stories of the roman god. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 23, 2009 13:03:32 GMT -5
Heru had many different aspects. The ancient kemetians associated Heru with Mars, Jupiter and of course Saturn. In the new kingdom in association with Mars it was called Heru on the Horizon earlier it was called Heru Desher or Horus the Red. So they knew that Mars was a red planet. In association with Jupiter it was called Heru who opens the mysteries. In association with Saturn it was Heru the Bull of the Sky. So those three heavenly bodies were aspects of Heru. The esoteric themes they have today are also aspects of Heru. Maybe i had interpreted wrong. I knew Heru was associated with the different planets and different times. When you said he was associated with Saturn, i didn't think the planet, but more so the stories of the roman god. Most if not all of the Roman and Greek Gods have Egypt and Libyan attributes. For instance Zeus is a personification of Amun. Hercules was black straight up. He was from Libya. Medusa was from Queen Metusa of Libya. The snakes were actually Metusa's dreadlocs. |
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Post by denounced on Apr 23, 2009 15:09:03 GMT -5
All of these similarities are vague and have no REAL PROOF. This is the one thing anyone in my years as a believer has been able to offer, SOLID PROOF. Example: Osiris and Jesus appear to be similar on the surface. "Osiris' resurrection served to provide hope to all that they may do likewise and become eternal. This is where we find some of the biggest misuse of terminology, including by some Egyptian scholars of religion (who do not go on to posit a "copycat" relationship!). Osiris resurrected? Not if "resurrection" is defined as coming back in a glorified body. On this point Miller has done some substantial work, reporting the words of J. Z. Smith, so I will let these speak to begin: "Osiris was murdered and his body dismembered and scattered. The pieces of his body were recovered and rejoined, and the god was rejuvenated. However, he did not return to his former mode of existence but rather journeyed to the underworld, where he became the powerful lord of the dead. In no sense can Osiris be said to have 'risen' in the sense required by the dying and rising pattern (as described by Frazer et.al.); most certainly it was never considered as an annual event." "In no sense can the dramatic myth of his death and reanimation be harmonized to the pattern of dying and rising gods (as described by Frazer et.al.)." "The repeated formula 'Rise up, you have not died,' whether applied to Osiris or a citizen of Egypt, signaled a new, permanent life in the realm of the dead." Frankfort concurs: "Osiris, in fact, was not a 'dying' god at all but a 'dead' god. He never returned among the living; he was not liberated from the world of the dead, as Tammuz was. On the contrary, Osiris altogether belonged to the world of the dead; it was from there that he bestowed his blessings upon Egypt. He was always depicted as a mummy, a dead king." [Kingship and the gods: a study of ancient Near Eastern religion as the integration of society & nature. UChicago:1978 edition, p.289] Perhaps the only pagan god for whom there is a resurrection is the Egyptian Osiris. Close examination of this story shows that it is very different from Christ's resurrection. Osiris did not rise; he ruled in the abode of the dead. As biblical scholar, Roland de Vaux, wrote, "What is meant of Osiris being 'raised to life?' Simply that, thanks to the ministrations of Isis, he is able to lead a life beyond the tomb which is an almost perfect replica of earthly existence. But he will never again come among the living and will reign only over the dead.… This revived god is in reality a 'mummy' god."... No, the mummified Osiris was hardly an inspiration for the resurrected Christ...As Yamauchi observes, "Ordinary men aspired to identification with Osiris as one who had triumphed over death." But it is a mistake to equate the Egyptian view of the afterlife with the biblical doctrine of resurrection. To achieve immortality the Egyptian had to meet three conditions: First, his body had to be preserved by mummification. Second, nourishment was provided by the actual offering of daily bread and beer. Third, magical spells were interred with him. His body did not rise from the dead; rather elements of his personality-his Ba and Ka-continued to hover over his body. ["The Resurrection of Jesus Christ: Myth, Hoax, or History?" David J. MacLeod, in The Emmaus Journal, V7 #2, Winter 98, p169" www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.htmlThese are not just copycats, some of these stories are just bedtime stories. |
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Post by denounced on Apr 23, 2009 15:19:45 GMT -5
Now let's compare this to Jesus. 1 Corinthians 15 1AND NOW let me remind you [since it seems to have escaped you], brethren, of the Gospel (the glad tidings of salvation) which I proclaimed to you, which you welcomed and accepted and upon which your faith rests, 2And by which you are saved, if you hold fast and keep firmly what I preached to you, unless you believed at first without effect and all for nothing. 3For I passed on to you first of all what I also had received, that Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) died for our sins in accordance with [what] the Scriptures [foretold],(A) 4That He was buried, that He arose on the third day as the Scriptures foretold,(B) 5And [also] that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6Then later He showed Himself to more than five hundred brethren at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7Afterward He was seen by James, then by all the apostles (the special messengers), 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one prematurely and born dead [ no better than an unperfected fetus among living men].
9For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, who am not fit or deserving to be called an apostle, because I once wronged and pursued and molested the church of God [oppressing it with cruelty and violence].
10But by the grace (the unmerited favor and blessing) of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not [found to be] for nothing (fruitless and without effect). In fact, I worked harder than all of them [the apostles], though it was not really I, but the grace (the unmerited favor and blessing) of God which was with me.
11So, whether then it was I or they, this is what we preach and this is what you believed [what you adhered to, trusted in, and relied on].
12But now if Christ (the Messiah) is preached as raised from the dead, how is it that some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not risen;
14And if Christ has not risen, then our preaching is in vain [it amounts to nothing] and your faith is devoid of truth and is fruitless (without effect, empty, imaginary, and unfounded).
15We are even discovered to be misrepresenting God, for we testified of Him that He raised Christ, Whom He did not raise in case it is true that the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised;
17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is mere delusion [futile, fruitless], and you are still in your sins [under the control and penalty of sin];
18And further, those who have died in [spiritual fellowship and union with] Christ have perished (are lost)!
19If we who are [abiding] in Christ have hope only in this life and that is all, then we are of all people most miserable and to be pitied.
20But the fact is that Christ (the Messiah) has been raised from the dead, and He became the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep [in death].
21For since [it was] through a man that death [came into the world, it is] also through a Man that the resurrection of the dead [has come].
22For just as [because of their [c]union of nature] in Adam all people die, so also [by virtue of their [d]union of nature] shall all in Christ be made alive.
Matthew 27
27Then the governor's soldiers took Jesus into the palace, and they gathered the whole battalion about Him.
28And they stripped off His clothes and put a scarlet robe ([d]garment of dignity and office worn by Roman officers of rank) upon Him,
29And, weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on His head and put a reed (staff) in His right hand. And kneeling before Him, they made sport of Him, saying, Hail (greetings, good health to You, long life to You), King of the Jews!
30And they spat on Him, and took the reed (staff) and struck Him on the head.
31And when they finished making sport of Him, they stripped Him of the robe and put His own garments on Him and led Him away to be crucified.
32As they were marching forth, they came upon a man of Cyrene named Simon; this man they forced to carry the cross of Jesus.
33And when they came to a place called Golgotha [Latin: Calvary], which means The Place of a Skull,
34They offered Him wine mingled with gall to drink; but when He tasted it, He refused to drink it.
35And when they had crucified Him, they divided and distributed His garments [among them] by casting lots [e]so that the prophet's saying was fulfilled, They parted My garments among them and over My apparel they cast lots.(F)
36Then they sat down there and kept watch over Him.
37And over His head they put the accusation against Him ([f]the cause of His death), which read, This is Jesus, the King of the Jews.
38At the same time two robbers were crucified with Him, one on the right hand and one on the left.
39And those who passed by spoke reproachfully and abusively and jeered at Him, wagging their heads,(G)
40And they said, You Who would tear down the [g]sanctuary of the temple and rebuild it in three days, rescue Yourself [h]from death. If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross.
41In the same way the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, made sport of Him, saying,
42He rescued others from death; Himself He cannot rescue [j]from death. He is the King of Israel? Let Him come down from the cross now, and we will believe in and [k]acknowledge and cleave to Him.
43He trusts in God; let God deliver Him now if He cares for Him and will have Him, for He said, I am the Son of God.
44And the robbers who were crucified with Him also abused and reproached and made sport of Him in the same way.
45Now from the sixth hour (noon) there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour (three o'clock).
46And about the ninth hour (three o'clock) Jesus cried with a loud voice, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?--that is, My God, My God, why have You abandoned Me [leaving Me [l]helpless, forsaking and failing Me in My need]?(H)
47And some of the bystanders, when they heard it, said, This Man is calling for Elijah!
48And one of them immediately ran and took a sponge, soaked it with vinegar (a sour wine), and put it on a reed (staff), and was [m]about to give it to Him to drink.(I)
49But the others said, Wait! Let us see whether Elijah will come to save Him [n]from death.
50And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and gave up His spirit.
51And at once the curtain of the [o]sanctuary of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; the earth shook and the rocks were split.(J)
52The tombs were opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep in death were raised [to life];
53And coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
54When the centurion and those who were with him keeping watch over Jesus observed the earthquake and all that was happening, they were terribly frightened and filled with awe, and said, Truly this was God's Son!
55There were also numerous women there, looking on from a distance, who were of those who had accompanied Jesus from Galilee, ministering to Him.
56Among them were Mary of Magdala, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of Zebedee's sons.
57When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who also was a disciple of Jesus.
58He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him.
59And Joseph took the body and [q]rolled it up in a clean linen cloth [r]used for swathing dead bodies
60And laid it in his own fresh (undefiled) tomb, which he had hewn in the rock; and he rolled a big boulder over the door of the tomb and went away.
Matthew 28
5But the angel said to the women, Do not be alarmed and frightened, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, Who was crucified.
6He is not here; He has risen, as He said [He would do]. Come, see the place where He lay.
7Then go quickly and tell His disciples, He has risen from the dead, and behold, He is going before you to Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.
8So they left the tomb hastily with fear and great joy and ran to tell the disciples.
9And as they went, behold, Jesus met them and said, Hail (greetings)! And they went up to Him and clasped His feet and worshiped Him.
10Then Jesus said to them, Do not be alarmed and afraid; go and tell My brethren to go into Galilee, and there they will see Me.
Why seek ye the living amongst the dead?
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Post by denounced on Apr 23, 2009 15:21:21 GMT -5
Names of Roman, Greek, whatever gods were taken form whom, but no one HAS EVER done before or replicated the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, except in their own dreams.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 23, 2009 15:23:44 GMT -5
I dont have the energy right now....
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Post by huey on Apr 23, 2009 15:33:08 GMT -5
DENOUNCED, IF OSIRIS WAS NOT RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD, THEN HOW DID HE IMPREGNATE AUSET. YOUR SCHOLAR SEEM TO SKIP OVER THAT MAJOR PART OF THE STORY.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 23, 2009 15:38:45 GMT -5
DENOUNCED, IF OSIRIS WAS NOT RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD, THEN HOW DID HE IMPREGNATE AUSET. YOUR SCHOLAR SEEM TO SKIP OVER THAT MAJOR PART OF THE STORY. Which is a good part in the story.....................LOL! |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 23, 2009 15:40:43 GMT -5
DENOUNCED, IF OSIRIS WAS NOT RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD, THEN HOW DID HE IMPREGNATE AUSET. YOUR SCHOLAR SEEM TO SKIP OVER THAT MAJOR PART OF THE STORY.
OUCCCCCCCCCCH! lol
For that one I'll slide you this for your reading library. I own a few of these books IRL but this here is a hidden masterpiece for sure.
www.pyramidtextsonline.com/library.html |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 23, 2009 15:42:55 GMT -5
DENOUNCED, IF OSIRIS WAS NOT RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD, THEN HOW DID HE IMPREGNATE AUSET. YOUR SCHOLAR SEEM TO SKIP OVER THAT MAJOR PART OF THE STORY. Which is a good part in the story.....................LOL!
Yanno she did a ritual to make Ausar a penis too... I'm sure sistahs find themselves in situations at times when they wish they could do a ritual like Auset..fashioning her man's penis how she wanted it. lol The sistah was powerful. |
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Post by denounced on Apr 24, 2009 11:11:51 GMT -5
Wow, you missed the part of my post about bedtime stories. If you can't get past that, you can't get passed the one who is blinding you. In these stories, you can impregnate a woman in the ocean, by the wayside, in hell, etc. IT'S JUST A STORY. DO YOU GET IT NOW? IT'S A STORY, NOT AN ACTUAL EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by denounced on Apr 24, 2009 11:24:36 GMT -5
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Post by denounced on Apr 24, 2009 11:25:33 GMT -5
When you want to holler checkmate, make sure you have all your pieces in place.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 24, 2009 16:44:37 GMT -5
Wow, you missed the part of my post about bedtime stories. If you can't get past that, you can't get passed the one who is blinding you. In these stories, you can impregnate a woman in the ocean, by the wayside, in hell, etc. IT'S JUST A STORY. DO YOU GET IT NOW? IT'S A STORY, NOT AN ACTUAL EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dizam now if we can just get you to realize that about Jesus.. Man you'd be solid. lol!!!!!!!! Deep down you know Jesus isn't the truth but I recognize your hustle black man. Make your money. |
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Post by denounced on Apr 25, 2009 2:44:06 GMT -5
Wow, you missed the part of my post about bedtime stories. If you can't get past that, you can't get passed the one who is blinding you. In these stories, you can impregnate a woman in the ocean, by the wayside, in hell, etc. IT'S JUST A STORY. DO YOU GET IT NOW? IT'S A STORY, NOT AN ACTUAL EVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dizam now if we can just get you to realize that about Jesus.. Man you'd be solid. lol!!!!!!!! Deep down you know Jesus isn't the truth but I recognize your hustle black man. Make your money. It will be sad what I don't see. Now to your comment! NEED I SAY ANYTHING ELSE...... If I were hustling, you would definitely be able to tell.  I'd still be a Mason and a Que too....... LOL!!!!!!!! |
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Post by denounced on Apr 27, 2009 18:22:42 GMT -5
Evidence? Scripture confirms the evidence. Archaelogical discoveries are constantly being made, showing the awesome reliability of scripture, not man-made myths that do not confirm their veracity. As I have before, I will do again. Although there is evidnce for more than one of these perosns or events, I will choose ONE, and give a source for another. Where is the Noah's Ark Denounced? Where is the Ark of the Covenant Denounced? Where is Solomon's Temple Denounced? news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusalem-artifacts_2.htmlWhere is the Proof of Moses Denounced? Where is the Proof of Abraham Denounced? Where is the Proof of Jesus Denounced? "Ancient Evidence for Jesus from ‘Non-Christian’ Sources Let's summarize what we've learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God! I hope you see how this small selection of ancient non-Christian sources helps corroborate our knowledge of Jesus from the gospels. Of course, there are many ancient Christian sources of information about Jesus as well. But since the historical reliability of the canonical gospels is so well established, I invite you to read those for an authoritative "life of Jesus!"" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1304954/postswww.rationalchristianity.net/jesus_extrabib.htmlWhere is the proof of a Global Flood Denounced? Where is the Proof of the Exodus Denounced? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 27, 2009 22:33:44 GMT -5
Evidence? Scripture confirms the evidence. Archaelogical discoveries are constantly being made, showing the awesome reliability of scripture, not man-made myths that do not confirm their veracity. As I have before, I will do again. Although there is evidnce for more than one of these perosns or events, I will choose ONE, and give a source for another. Where is the Noah's Ark Denounced? Where is the Ark of the Covenant Denounced? Where is Solomon's Temple Denounced? news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071023-jerusalem-artifacts_2.htmlWhere is the Proof of Moses Denounced? Where is the Proof of Abraham Denounced? Where is the Proof of Jesus Denounced? "Ancient Evidence for Jesus from ‘Non-Christian’ Sources Let's summarize what we've learned about Jesus from this examination of ancient non-Christian sources. First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise. Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher. Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats. Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover. Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus' resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus' followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God! I hope you see how this small selection of ancient non-Christian sources helps corroborate our knowledge of Jesus from the gospels. Of course, there are many ancient Christian sources of information about Jesus as well. But since the historical reliability of the canonical gospels is so well established, I invite you to read those for an authoritative "life of Jesus!"" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1304954/postswww.rationalchristianity.net/jesus_extrabib.htmlWhere is the proof of a Global Flood Denounced? Where is the Proof of the Exodus Denounced? Denounced you kidding me right?  Man please. You sounding and looking foolish. There is no temple mount, no ark, no arc of the covenant, no shroud, no exodus, none of it. Furthermore you need to read Josephus more closely before you name drop him. His accounts TOTALLY undermines the gospels. And you quote him. lol stop regurgitating and read for yourself black man. |
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Post by denounced on Apr 28, 2009 15:05:20 GMT -5
Excuse me, please answer the accounts about Jesus and the other discovery? Then add this to your account. biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htmNow I read a huge account of Josephus' writings. They do not undermine the gospels. So I read black man.......... No throwin up and spittin up son... Are you saying there is NO evidence for these things? Archaelogical discoveries have NEVER refuted what the Bible says. If Noah's Ark was found 100 miles away from where the Bible said it rested, UNBELIEVERS would say done deal. Why? Their faith rests in UNBELIEF, but also they would be missing the biggest issue of all, THAT THE NOAH'S ARK ACTUALLY EXISTED.......LOL!!!!!!!! Archaelogy will never full uncover thousands of years of historical events. When the critics said the five cities on the plain did not exist, and they were found, the next thing they would probably ask for are the skin coverings God gave to Adam and Eve for their nakedness. Thus is revealed the foolishness of the wilfully blind unbeliever, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htm |
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Post by huey on Apr 28, 2009 15:10:50 GMT -5
Excuse me, please answer the accounts about Jesus and the other discovery? Then add this to your account. biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htmNow I read a huge account of Josephus' writings. They do not undermine the gospels. So I read black man.......... No throwin up and spittin up son... Are you saying there is NO evidence for these things? Archaelogical discoveries have NEVER refuted what the Bible says. If Noah's Ark was found 100 miles away from where the Bible said it rested, UNBELIEVERS would say done deal. Why? Their faith rests in UNBELIEF, but also they would be missing the biggest issue of all, THAT THE NOAH'S ARK ACTUALLY EXISTED.......LOL!!!!!!!! Archaelogy will never full uncover thousands of years of historical events. When the critics said the five cities on the plain did not exist, and they were found, the next thing they would probably ask for are the skin coverings God gave to Adam and Eve for their nakedness. Thus is revealed the foolishness of the wilfully blind unbeliever, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htm"if" it was found 100 miles away from where the bible said it rested? when was it ever found? did i miss something? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 28, 2009 15:23:48 GMT -5
Excuse me, please answer the accounts about Jesus and the other discovery? Then add this to your account. biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htmNow I read a huge account of Josephus' writings. They do not undermine the gospels. So I read black man.......... No throwin up and spittin up son... Are you saying there is NO evidence for these things? Archaelogical discoveries have NEVER refuted what the Bible says. If Noah's Ark was found 100 miles away from where the Bible said it rested, UNBELIEVERS would say done deal. Why? Their faith rests in UNBELIEF, but also they would be missing the biggest issue of all, THAT THE NOAH'S ARK ACTUALLY EXISTED.......LOL!!!!!!!! Archaelogy will never full uncover thousands of years of historical events. When the critics said the five cities on the plain did not exist, and they were found, the next thing they would probably ask for are the skin coverings God gave to Adam and Eve for their nakedness. Thus is revealed the foolishness of the wilfully blind unbeliever, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htmDenounced the cities that they mentioned did exist... the things that happened in them beyond the writings can't be proved. How in he hizail you want us to believe a Flood Happened when right in Kemet Khufu was having a pyramid built? Get on with that bs lol. Check it how could Paul be a missionary for Jesus and never not once preach the things he did. Paul didn't even know the things that were written in Matthew Mark Luke or John outside of the last supper, betryal and resurrection. He had 13 books to explain to the people about Jesus works... but never did. Is it he was selfish or he didn't know..... |
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