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Post by THE emPRISS on Mar 23, 2008 23:48:44 GMT -5
between a
Pastor;
Minister;
Reverend; and
Preacher?
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 10:24:08 GMT -5
between a
saint
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sinner
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 10:28:20 GMT -5
between a
good witch
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bad witch
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 10:29:23 GMT -5
between a
cougar
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puma
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 10:30:23 GMT -5
between an
angel
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demon
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 10:31:13 GMT -5
between
thinking
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meditating
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 10:47:15 GMT -5
between
unemployment insurance check
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paid vacation
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 25, 2008 11:50:35 GMT -5
LOL...Water you stupid yo
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 11:55:27 GMT -5
i keep it hot on OO to the A lol
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 25, 2008 11:55:35 GMT -5
between a Pastor; Minister; Reverend; and Preacher? Reverend is a made up title usually associated with a Pastor of a church. A minister and preacher are synonymous... anyone called by God to preach the word of God. A Pastor is a preacher that also leads the flock. So, he would be the head dude in charge at the church and also is called by God to preach. He is responsible for teaching the people and leading them on a daily basis, not just deliver random sermons. There are plenty of people that are preachers that will never Pastor, cuz they weren't called to Pastor and its not their gift. If you ask me, a lot of these scandals going on and foolishness in the church are attributed to talented preachers becoming pastors, when in reality they don't have the pastoral calling from God. In reality, every Pastor is a minister/preacher, but not every minister/Preacher is a Pastor. Think of it like every orange is a fruit, but not every fruit is an orange. |
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Post by water on Mar 25, 2008 12:01:41 GMT -5
Right Reverend Dr love AKA Pastor Offering  |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Mar 25, 2008 13:35:54 GMT -5
between a Pastor; Minister; Reverend; and Preacher? Reverend is a made up title usually associated with a Pastor of a church. A minister and preacher are synonymous... anyone called by God to preach the word of God. A Pastor is a preacher that also leads the flock. So, he would be the head dude in charge at the church and also is called by God to preach. He is responsible for teaching the people and leading them on a daily basis, not just deliver random sermons. There are plenty of people that are preachers that will never Pastor, cuz they weren't called to Pastor and its not their gift. If you ask me, a lot of these scandals going on and foolishness in the church are attributed to talented preachers becoming pastors, when in reality they don't have the pastoral calling from God. In reality, every Pastor is a minister/preacher, but not every minister/Preacher is a Pastor. Think of it like every orange is a fruit, but not every fruit is an orange. Thanks Jay That's what I was trying to get at. And which require degrees in Religious studies/theology/etc or some formal training? Do Pastor's require some education in business? |
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 27, 2008 9:45:29 GMT -5
No Pastor's aren't required to have an education in business...but in reality many of them function as business men first, men of God second  . In regards to "which require degrees in Religious studies/theology/etc or some formal training", that depends wholly on the denomination and governing body. Anybody on this board can get "ordained" online in 5 minutes if they pay a couple hundred dollars to certain "Christian" ministries...lol. But for Methodists for example, it is almost impossible to get ordained as a Pastor without formal training such as a M.Div. They give out "licenses" as ministers to lay people, but they are not allowed to do a lot of things even within their own church. With other denominations, like Baptists for ex. it depends %100 on the specific church. Some Pastors require training to ordain, some ordain because they see that someone is anointed and a person of integrity. I know churches that wouldn't let you even sit in the pulpit without a degree in religious study, whereas others couldn't care less. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Mar 27, 2008 10:15:26 GMT -5
Very interesting!! The things you learn!! I always though ordained= formal training. Wow...ok, let me think Im sure I'll have another question...lol |
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Post by denounced on Mar 29, 2008 9:05:01 GMT -5
The word pastor only exists one time in the new Testament. The Office of Pastor would later become Bishop or Elder. No education may be required, but the lack of it, be it through seminary or self-study is severely lacking.
As Jay said in another post, he knows waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than some of his professors at seminary school.
MLK, Jr. was ordained, but didn't even believe in the fundamental principles of Christianity, such as the virgin birth, and Blood Atonement. Now how did he get ordained? Well to put it quite succinctly, there's a GOOD OLE BOY SYSTEM IN THE CHURCH. There are about 20-30 characteristics for a Pastor-Elder-Bishop, etc. Humility is a huge one that many Pastors LACK today.
Many churches today are not built up on the teaching from the pulpit, but instead the emotional free-for-all we see today. This is why we hear so many people say, "The Bible says", but could no more explain it than what they heard someone say. There are not many Acts 17:11 lay people any more. The ones who are, and realize there pastors are wrong and confront them are summarily silenced, or given the old, "I believe the Bible says"................ I am not interested in what you believe, until you tell me what it says........
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Post by Search1906 on Mar 29, 2008 11:49:30 GMT -5
The word pastor only exists one time in the new Testament. The Office of Pastor would later become Bishop or Elder. No education may be required, but the lack of it, be it through seminary or self-study is severely lacking. As Jay said in another post, he knows waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than some of his professors at seminary school. MLK, Jr. was ordained, but didn't even believe in the fundamental principles of Christianity, such as the virgin birth, and Blood Atonement. Now how did he get ordained? Well to put it quite succinctly, there's a GOOD OLE BOY SYSTEM IN THE CHURCH. There are about 20-30 characteristics for a Pastor-Elder-Bishop, etc. Humility is a huge one that many Pastors LACK today. Many churches today are not built up on the teaching from the pulpit, but instead the emotional free-for-all we see today. This is why we hear so many people say, "The Bible says", but could no more explain it than what they heard someone say. There are not many Acts 17:11 lay people any more. The ones who are, and realize there pastors are wrong and confront them are summarily silenced, or given the old, "I believe the Bible says"................ I am not interested in what you believe, until you tell me what it says........ *Cue the Fireworks* I agree with everything he said. ;D LOL |
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Post by lpitd16 on Mar 29, 2008 19:05:04 GMT -5
Denounced, how in the world would Rev. Dr. King be ordained a preacher, and called to Pastor both Dexter and Ebeneezer Baptist Church(es) if he did not believe the fundamental principles of the Holy Bible? Are you referring to the paper he wrote in undergrad where he had to argue against said principles?
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 29, 2008 19:44:57 GMT -5
The Right Reverend Doctor Martin Luther THE King  lol....was an extremely charismatic preacher and a popular figure in his community. He didn't have to be "anointed".... his father (Daddy King) was the one that ordained him! lol. Daddy King an extremely influential figure in his community wanted his son to follow his footsteps, ordained him, and put him in the pulpit. I've read a number of pieces by King and ya boy was theologically twisted if you ask me. The funny thing is, if you take away his social accomplishments, most people here would call him the anti-Christ if you read his theology. To this day, Dr. King is a great SOCIAL figure in American history but by no means a Spiritual role model. In my eyes, he's no different from Ghandi...good for the world, but not necessarily in the will of God. King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching. |
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Post by denounced on Mar 29, 2008 21:27:29 GMT -5
Denounced, how in the world would Rev. Dr. King be ordained a preacher, and called to Pastor both Dexter and Ebeneezer Baptist Church(es) if he did not believe the fundamental principles of the Holy Bible? Are you referring to the paper he wrote in undergrad where he had to argue against said principles? Do you want the proof? Hit me in the PM |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Mar 29, 2008 21:47:57 GMT -5
The word pastor only exists one time in the new Testament. The Office of Pastor would later become Bishop or Elder. No education may be required, but the lack of it, be it through seminary or self-study is severely lacking. As Jay said in another post, he knows waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than some of his professors at seminary school. MLK, Jr. was ordained, but didn't even believe in the fundamental principles of Christianity, such as the virgin birth, and Blood Atonement. Now how did he get ordained? Well to put it quite succinctly, there's a GOOD OLE BOY SYSTEM IN THE CHURCH. There are about 20-30 characteristics for a Pastor-Elder-Bishop, etc. Humility is a huge one that many Pastors LACK today. Many churches today are not built up on the teaching from the pulpit, but instead the emotional free-for-all we see today. This is why we hear so many people say, "The Bible says", but could no more explain it than what they heard someone say. There are not many Acts 17:11 lay people any more. The ones who are, and realize there pastors are wrong and confront them are summarily silenced, or given the old, "I believe the Bible says"................ I am not interested in what you believe, until you tell me what it says........ *looking around....looking around* It MUST be a cold day somewhere b/c I actually AGREE as well!! LOL!! (except with the MLK part but only b/c I have no idea about his background but with everything else.... we are >>>>here<<<<) WOW!!!! I didnt think it was possible!!! LOL |
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on Mar 29, 2008 21:58:19 GMT -5
No wonder why it's storming in ATL because I too agree with denounced!
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Post by THE emPRISS on Mar 29, 2008 22:21:11 GMT -5
The Right Reverend Doctor Martin Luther THE King lol....was an extremely charismatic preacher and a popular figure in his community. He didn't have to be "anointed".... his father (Daddy King) was the one that ordained him! lol. Daddy King an extremely influential figure in his community wanted his son to follow his footsteps, ordained him, and put him in the pulpit. I've read a number of pieces by King and ya boy was theologically twisted if you ask me. The funny thing is, if you take away his social accomplishments, most people here would call him the anti-Christ if you read his theology. To this day, Dr. King is a great SOCIAL figure in American history but by no means a Spiritual role model. In my eyes, he's no different from Ghandi...good for the world, but not necessarily in the will of God. King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching. Re: the last paragraph Jay...in all fairness.... That applies to MOST (dare say, ALL) of us... |
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Post by lpitd16 on Mar 30, 2008 12:05:54 GMT -5
"King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching."
Romans 3:23, "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."
Alright, his father ordained him. His father was a HIGHLY respected member of the church community. As a Pastor of a Baptist church, which was apart of a governing body (e.g. National Baptist Convention), he would still have to abide by the rules.
I think that it is irresponsible on your part to suggest, without providing ANY evidence, that his father compromised his call as a minister of the Gospel, and a as Pastor, in ordaining his son.
The word tells us that "a tree is known by the fruit it bears." Dr. King's life and legacy is ripe with good fruit. Even I am partaking of the fruits of his labor.
Soror Priss:
Pastor - Under shepherd/ Head Servant
Minister - Servant
Preacher - One who "preaches" sermons
Reverend - title for members of the clergy
Clergy - a group ordained to perform pastoral functions in a Christian church
A Pastor has been ordained to minister to (serve) an organized body of believers (xyz church) as the under-shepherd. He/she is referred to as Reverend. One of his/her responsibilities is to preach the Gospel to the flock. All preachers of the Gospel are not Pastors, however, all Pastors are preachers. I hope this helps.
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Post by coldfront06 on Mar 30, 2008 12:09:10 GMT -5
The Right Reverend Doctor Martin Luther THE King lol....was an extremely charismatic preacher and a popular figure in his community. He didn't have to be "anointed".... his father (Daddy King) was the one that ordained him! lol. Daddy King an extremely influential figure in his community wanted his son to follow his footsteps, ordained him, and put him in the pulpit. I've read a number of pieces by King and ya boy was theologically twisted if you ask me. The funny thing is, if you take away his social accomplishments, most people here would call him the anti-Christ if you read his theology. To this day, Dr. King is a great SOCIAL figure in American history but by no means a Spiritual role model. In my eyes, he's no different from Ghandi...good for the world, but not necessarily in the will of God. King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching. Re: the last paragraph Jay...in all fairness.... That applies to MOST (dare say, ALL) of us... LOL, sure does |
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Post by denounced on Mar 30, 2008 13:04:17 GMT -5
Applies to most, not all...........
Want the proof about MLK, it's out there.......
"King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching." They are actually Anti-christian
Romans 3:23, "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." Truth
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Post by denounced on Mar 30, 2008 13:21:39 GMT -5
"King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching." Romans 3:23, "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." Alright, his father ordained him. His father was a HIGHLY respected member of the church community. As a Pastor of a Baptist church, which was apart of a governing body (e.g. National Baptist Convention), he would still have to abide by the rules. I think that it is irresponsible on your part to suggest, without providing ANY evidence, that his father compromised his call as a minister of the Gospel, and a as Pastor, in ordaining his son. The word tells us that "a tree is known by the fruit it bears." Dr. King's life and legacy is ripe with good fruit. Even I am partaking of the fruits of his labor. Soror Priss: Pastor - Under shepherd/ Head Servant Minister - Servant Preacher - One who "preaches" sermons Reverend - title for members of the clergy Clergy - a group ordained to perform pastoral functions in a Christian church A Pastor has been ordained to minister to (serve) an organized body of believers (xyz church) as the under-shepherd. He/she is referred to as Reverend. One of his/her responsibilities is to preach the Gospel to the flock. All preachers of the Gospel are not Pastors, however, all Pastors are preachers. I hope this helps. Pastor (poimen)- A shepherd, one who TENDS herds or flocks, not just feeds them. It is a metaphorical term. The office of pastor was committed to elders and bishops. Only used once in the whole New Testament. All pastors are not preachers, some are hirelings. |
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 30, 2008 20:46:21 GMT -5
"King's life and doctrine both fall far short of Biblical teaching." Romans 3:23, "For ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God." Alright, his father ordained him. His father was a HIGHLY respected member of the church community. As a Pastor of a Baptist church, which was apart of a governing body (e.g. National Baptist Convention), he would still have to abide by the rules. I think that it is irresponsible on your part to suggest, without providing ANY evidence, that his father compromised his call as a minister of the Gospel, and a as Pastor, in ordaining his son. The word tells us that "a tree is known by the fruit it bears." Dr. King's life and legacy is ripe with good fruit. Even I am partaking of the fruits of his labor. I was referring more to King's doctrine than his life.... DEFINITELY ALL OF US, ME INCLUDED HAVE FALLEN SHORT, I'll never say I'm perfect, but doctrinally speaking, ya boy King didn't even believe in the bodily RESURRECTION! If he didn't do the social stuff, like I said before, most of us on here would call him an anti-Christ! lol As for his father Daddy King... he did NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT have to abide by any denominational rules. The Baptist tradition is one that gives each church complete AUTONOMY. Each church is run from the INSIDE, not the outside like the Methodist tradition for example where Bishops control who goes where. There are universal tenets i.e. full water immersion, but each church is owned by itself and a board of directors governs it. The Baptist Denomination CANNOT step in and enforce anything, because they don't own the building...lol. Daddy King could've easily pushed King on the congregation and when they heard how dynamic he was, they probably loved him. Again this ain't no attack on King, but in reality, if you look at his doctrine objectively, it doesn't really differ from Ghandi. If you actually read about King, his doctrine is highly Ghandian. GREAT social figure; however, not a spiritual role model. I've read 2 really good works on King, both written by King supporters and really go into thorough detail about his life. Bearing the Cross by David J. Garrow and Partin the Waters : America in the King years by Taylor Branch. Black people tend to get real protective about Martin Lufa THE King cuz of how important he was to our history and I understand that...but facts are facts. |
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Post by coldfront06 on Mar 30, 2008 20:50:30 GMT -5
What are the fundamental aspects of Christian doctrine? And is it a requirement to believe in all of them to be considered a Christian? Serious question...not trying to debate I'm trying to learn something new.
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 30, 2008 21:23:17 GMT -5
Naw, I know your not trying to debate kid...but I'd say that which is fundamental depends on the individual.
To ME personally, the fact that Jesus Christ physically existed, physically died and physically resurrected for our sins is fundamental. Because without the shedding of blood, there is no remission. And what good is the death if He didn't rise? Anybody can die for a cause, but only He rose.
To me, these are the fundamental aspects of Christianity. And I would say that it is necessary to believe in these things to be considered Christians. In the early church, James, John, Paul and other apostles QUICKLY called people out to be impostors because they didn't believe the bodily resurrection. The Gnostics denied that Jesus actually rose, rather they claimed that it was a mental elevation, and the book of 1st John was written to defend the life and bodily resurrection of Christ. Those men, the Gnostics were NOT seen as part of the Jesus movement, rather as heretics that no follower should associate with.
Hope ^^^ makes sense...lol
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Post by coldfront06 on Mar 30, 2008 21:29:16 GMT -5
Oh ok...so those are pretty much accepted as truth throughout all denominations? I don't know why...but I've always been interested in what exactly are the differences between different denominations.
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lol....was an extremely charismatic preacher and a popular figure in his community. He didn't have to be "anointed".... his father (Daddy King) was the one that ordained him! lol. Daddy King an extremely influential figure in his community wanted his son to follow his footsteps, ordained him, and put him in the pulpit.
