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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 20, 2009 1:05:29 GMT -5
Age old question - but what do you think?
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Post by water on Jan 20, 2009 9:20:46 GMT -5
  in the testicles but we can take it back to the beginning |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jan 20, 2009 15:20:13 GMT -5
I think it begins at conception.
I think that scientists should at least agree that life begins when there is sign of a heart beat.
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Post by GorgeousNgreen on Jan 20, 2009 20:00:19 GMT -5
Life begins at conception.....God knew who you were before you were in the womb.
Jerm 1:5
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Post by Sapphire on Jan 21, 2009 1:17:49 GMT -5
I think it begins at conception.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 21, 2009 7:14:24 GMT -5
LOL
Water... the question was "When does life begin?"
Your answer is: Testicle
*pause*
Are you going for comedic effect?
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Post by water on Jan 21, 2009 8:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 21, 2009 9:11:44 GMT -5
Riddle me this:
At what point is sperm (or the egg for that matter) NOT alive?
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Post by water on Jan 21, 2009 13:17:38 GMT -5
nothing really is dead it just changes from one state to another such as when you stop breathing you go from a billion gillion cells moving and grooving to ashes and dust and when your casket finally breaks down or is stolen to sell to the next grieving family your body returns from the place which it came from the earth. and hopefully your dirt will become part of some good soil where some good vegetables can be planted ......cool  |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 21, 2009 14:34:14 GMT -5
nothing really is dead it just changes from one state to another such as when you stop breathing you go from a billion gillion cells moving and grooving to ashes and dust and when your casket finally breaks down or is stolen to sell to the next grieving family your body returns from the place which it came from the earth. and hopefully your dirt will become part of some good soil where some good vegetables can be planted ......cool
kinda... a weird way to look at it... but LOL - okay. Here's hoping we all push up some good fruits and vegetables when we're gone (LOL).
I think things certainly do die (at least physically) but my answer to the question: When does life begin? is this
It began one time - when God started it. Everything inbetween has been a continuous unbroken chain of living. Yes individuals die - but life itself has never stopped altogether and then restarted anywhere (at least not to my knowledge.) The seed that germinates into a human life form isn't dead beforehand and only to suddenly come-to-life at conception.
The way I view (and this is just me) For me it's about when a mind, body, and soul come together - and only God can say when that is. As GNG pointed out - God knew us before we were formed. This suggests to me that our souls exists before there is a body for them to be in, and exists after the body is no more. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jan 21, 2009 14:42:19 GMT -5
At conception...once the egg is fertilized and implanted into the womb. Kinda like, once a seed sprouts roots and its roots take hold of the earth? That's the beginning stages of a plant. That's first stage of life is implantation of a fertilized egg. Prior to that, the sperm and egg arent "alive" so to speak, in that, it takes BOTH to create life.
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jan 21, 2009 14:44:57 GMT -5
As GNG pointed out - God knew us before we were formed. This suggests to me that our souls exists before there is a body for them to be in, and exists after the body is no more. [/color] [/quote] Does that mean it never ends or begins? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 21, 2009 15:25:23 GMT -5
At conception...once the egg is fertilized and implanted into the womb. Kinda like, once a seed sprouts roots and its roots take hold of the earth? That's the beginning stages of a plant. That's first stage of life is implantation of a fertilized egg. Prior to that, the sperm and egg arent "alive" so to speak, in that, it takes BOTH to create life.
Two living things come together and form one living thing. Where was the "stop" in life that it could suddenly "start" at conception? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 21, 2009 15:27:06 GMT -5
As GNG pointed out - God knew us before we were formed. This suggests to me that our souls exists before there is a body for them to be in, and exists after the body is no more. [/color] [/quote] Does that mean it never ends or begins? [/quote] The fact that you can spend eternity in either heaven or hell suggests to me that it doesn't end. ;D
Reminds me of a story... I'll start a new thread. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jan 22, 2009 13:25:04 GMT -5
At conception...once the egg is fertilized and implanted into the womb. Kinda like, once a seed sprouts roots and its roots take hold of the earth? That's the beginning stages of a plant. That's first stage of life is implantation of a fertilized egg. Prior to that, the sperm and egg arent "alive" so to speak, in that, it takes BOTH to create life.
Two living things come together and form one living thing. Where was the "stop" in life that it could suddenly "start" at conception?LOL...you asked where it BEGAN not where it ended!?! Man...lol No but seriously, I get the analogy but who is to say that life has to end the same way that it begins? I dont think there is necessarily a parallel between how life begins and ends. Perhaps life ends when a thing ceases to be able to grow & develop--that would actually be congruent to how I believe life begins....soo...yea, lets go with that?! |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jan 22, 2009 13:26:53 GMT -5
Does that mean it never ends or begins?
Reminds me of a story... I'll start a new thread. But that's your spiritual being not your physical being. Are we talking physically or as a whole? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 22, 2009 16:10:19 GMT -5
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jan 22, 2009 17:37:15 GMT -5
I thought you said you didnt believe that anymore... |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jan 22, 2009 17:38:15 GMT -5
Perhaps we are defining conception differently.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 22, 2009 20:45:05 GMT -5
I thought you said you didnt believe that anymore...
On the other hand I'm wrestling with the idea that all seed are alive. I'm not sure if that one is airtight. I mean, for example, if an apple is rotting can the seeds still be alive? I think so - but I'm not sure. Also is there a circular argument here - in that a dead seed is one defined by it's inability to produce results? If it doesn't germinate then it's dead - still wrestling with that as well. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jan 22, 2009 22:01:24 GMT -5
I thought you said you didnt believe that anymore...
On the other hand I'm wrestling with the idea that all seed are alive. I'm not sure if that one is airtight. I mean, for example, if an apple is rotting can the seeds still be alive? I think so - but I'm not sure. Also is there a circular argument here - in that a dead seed is one defined by it's inability to produce results? If it doesn't germinate then it's dead - still wrestling with that as well.I see, kinda...where do you think life begins now? When you say life, do you mean human life? (which is what I assumed you meant) Sperm is not a person Ovum is not a person It requires both to create life. As for the apple analogy...you can still plant the seeds from a rotten apple. Not sure if that helps in your analysis but you can. Set an apple out...let it go bad....the seeds will still be viable. But in that example, you have to go all the way back to what creates an apple? Without the apple there are no seeds....kinda like the chicken and the egg. I also domt think thats a good comparison with human life b/c it doesnt take two seperate organisms (sperm and egg) to create an apple seed. (i dont think anyway) |
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Post by GorgeousNgreen on Jan 23, 2009 0:34:54 GMT -5
I remember someone was telling me about a book that some man wrote who says that God was giving him strong visions about heaven. He mentioned a lot of things but one thing in the book he mentioned was that he heard these sweet voices which were baby souls in heaven that would say to God "send me God! send me!...i wanna go!"
Meaning that these baby souls wanted to experience life on earth and be born into the world and they were asking God to send them.
I want to read the book for myself - if any one has heard of this, can u please let me know the name of the book. Its been years ago.
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Post by Kryptik on Jan 23, 2009 12:32:29 GMT -5
I think that the question really boils down to what we consider life? I believe most philosophers and some scientist would suggest that to possess "Life" an entity must be sentient. This is of course different from merely being alive. Sentience is the quality of being aware of ones self, having desires and acting upon them based on "some" reasoning... "I think therefore I am".
On the other hand, many organisms are alive yet possess, assumedly, no definitive thought processes. Opinions differ, but some say that viruses and bacteria are not "living" organisms, yet they are "alive".
And lets see... as for the "apple seed"... LOL...
A plants "seed" is the equivalent of a fertilized ovum (I think this is right, its been a loooong time since biology) so it would be the same as conception in a human. But again, I feel that even after conception, "life" does not begin for the child until some sort of thought process has begun as well. Perhaps this is when the nervous system begins forming... who knows!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 23, 2009 15:08:46 GMT -5
I think that the question really boils down to what we consider life? I believe most philosophers and some scientist would suggest that to possess "Life" an entity must be sentient. This is of course different from merely being alive. Sentience is the quality of being aware of ones self, having desires and acting upon them based on "some" reasoning... "I think therefore I am". On the other hand, many organisms are alive yet possess, assumedly, no definitive thought processes. Opinions differ, but some say that viruses and bacteria are not "living" organisms, yet they are "alive". |
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Post by water on Jan 26, 2009 2:46:13 GMT -5
reaction or choice uhmmmm I say reaction bam..they probably cousins ... lol
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 27, 2009 11:10:30 GMT -5
hmmm.. Well first off Ovum and Sperm are both alive. Life is anything that has a Nucleus. The Nucleus on the cellular level is equivalent to the brain. This is why scientist state Viruses aren't alive because they do not have a nucleus.
Now when does life start? What are we equating life too? The 5 Senses? Sight, Smell, Taste, Touch, Hearing? or are we equating it to being conscious of doing the aforementioned?
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