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Post by sigmamason on Feb 13, 2008 16:54:44 GMT -5
Kidd traded to Dallas in latest blockbuster deal
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
February 13, 2008
Jason Kidd was so determined to make his way back to the Dallas Mavericks, he has contemplated wearing No. 2 on his jersey to honor a return to where his career started in 1994.
Despite Kidd’s doubts that the Nets and Mavericks would ever come to an agreement, two league sources close to the negotiations said an agreement in principle has been reached on Wednesday. After wavering for weeks, Dallas owner Mark Cuban has sacrificed some of his franchise’s future to chase a championship in the short term. The agreement would send five players, including point guard Devin Harris, and first round picks in 2008 and 2010, for the future Hall of Fame guard.
The two teams are still exchanging insurance information and going through the normal procedures with the league office to finalize the deal.
Kidd, who turns 35 next month, goes to Dallas with an unmistakable mandate: Bring a title for a team and career that are desperately seeking it. As part of the trade, the Mavericks would also send Jerry Stackhouse, Devean George, DeSagna Diop, Maurice Ager and $3 million to New Jersey. Along with Kidd, the Nets send reserve forward Malik Allen to the Mavs.
In a separate deal, the Nets are sending guard Antoine Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick, one source said.
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For New Jersey, president Rod Thorn brought back the three elements he most wanted for Kidd: a good young player (Harris), expiring contracts (Diop and George) and draft picks. What’s more, the Nets plan to buyout the rest of Stackhouse’s contract. Stackhouse can become an immediate free agent, but must wait 30 days to re-sign with Dallas.
One league source expected Stackhouse to return to the Mavericks.
For the Nets, this clears cap space next season. It will allow them to re-sign forward Nenad Krstic and start rebuilding the franchise after seven straight playoff appearances with Kidd. The Nets are still discussing a Vince Carter-Jermaine O’Neal trade with the Indiana Pacers, but two sources close to those discussions placed odds below 50 percent. According to one source, the Nets have gone so far as talking to O’Neal’s doctors in Indiana about the state of his troubled knee.
Despite Cuban’s public dismissals, the talks between the two teams were restarted on Sunday when the Mavericks lost to the Nets in New Jersey. After watching the Lakers and Suns make moves for Pau Gasol and Shaquille O’Neal, the Mavericks could no longer sit on the sidelines. There was an element of toughness and leadership that had been missing in Dallas, and team officials believe Kidd transforms them. Immediately, this trade solidifies the Mavericks, who are 34-17 and holding the third spot in the Western Conference playoff, as a serious championship contender.
When motivated, Kidd can still play the point-guard position at the highest level. He desperately wanted this trade and Nets officials knew that they could no longer function as a franchise until they honored his wishes.
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Post by Alc 06 on Feb 13, 2008 17:00:16 GMT -5
wow. the west is on fire right about now.
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Post by coldfront06 on Feb 13, 2008 17:02:14 GMT -5
Teams in the West are looking for any advantage...this has the potential to be the best playoffs in recent memory. The defending champs (San Antonio) could actually go into the playoffs no better than the 5th or 6th best team in the West. And they would STILL be a threat to win it all.
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Post by Alc 06 on Feb 13, 2008 17:05:48 GMT -5
Popovich is probably pissed. You see how he was bitchin over the Gasol trade.
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 13, 2008 17:19:28 GMT -5
WOW!!! Huge News...
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 13, 2008 21:32:15 GMT -5
Am I the only one that doesn't really like this trade? Like am I the only one that thinks this one was garbage? I don't see how either team improved much. I see the upside of the trade for New Jersey getting 2 expiring contracts, 2 draft picks, a solid up and coming guard in Devin Harris, cash, and an aging Hall of Famer.
Dallas got what?
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Post by ACES on Feb 13, 2008 21:41:21 GMT -5
dallas got hosed, that's what they got....a PG wasn't the missing piece to them making a title run. However, a disappearing Dirk in the playoffs is a big contributor...
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 13, 2008 21:55:44 GMT -5
dallas got hosed, that's what they got....a PG wasn't the missing piece to them making a title run. However, a disappearing Dirk in the playoffs is a big contributor...
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Post by coldfront06 on Feb 13, 2008 23:02:19 GMT -5
I don't think Kidd addressed their "needs," but I do think they got better. I don't think anyone can argue that Harris is a better player than Kidd. Jason Kidd is damn near averaging a triple double, as old as he is. He will get Dirk and the other players the ball in places where they will be most effective. So they got better at a position that wasn't a weakness, but its still a critical position. It might hurt them long term, just like the Shaq trade will likely hurt Phoenix long term. But for now, they are getting an All-Star and future Hall of Famer.
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Post by Coach on Feb 14, 2008 8:57:55 GMT -5
I guess yall haven't notice that Devan George exercise his right to block any trade he's involved in....lol.
But i was scratching my head on this one, though.
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Post by ACES on Feb 14, 2008 9:21:56 GMT -5
it doesn't matter what kidd does, Dallas' issue has always been their nuts shrivelling up in the playoffs. They're a fantastic regular season team and a sucktacular playoff squad. And Kidd is gonna somehow make them unsucktacular in may and june? I don't see it. New Jersey got over on this one....
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Post by sigmamason on Feb 14, 2008 9:28:44 GMT -5
Mavs forward George blocks trade of Kidd to Mavs
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By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
DALLAS -- The New Jersey Nets were so convinced they were trading Jason Kidd back to his original team on Wednesday that they held him out of their game in Toronto.
By night's end, New Jersey and the Dallas Mavericks were in limbo, reduced to believing that they will ultimately find a way to convince Mavs reserve forward Devean George to sign off on the deal.
You read right. The same George who recently announced a desire to be traded if his playing time didn't increase in Dallas has taken advantage of a little-known league rule to block this trade, most likely on a temporary basis but potentially for good.
"I don't think the trade is going anywhere," George said, suggesting that the deal will still happen as planned by insisting that he merely wanted to wait for the late-night arrival of agent Mark Bartelstein from Chicago to hear all the details involved before making a binding decision.
"I think it's right there, but it's kind of messed up how all the fingers are pointing at me."
They're pointing at George because, with both teams about to submit trade details to the league office for approval, he stunned the Mavericks by informing them that he wouldn't agree to be included in the seven-player swap. Although trades almost always get rammed through when they're as close to completion as this one, sources close to the situation were not unanimous about the deal being salvaged, even with a full week to go before the league's annual trade deadline.
Earlier Wednesday, NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the teams had verbally agreed on a seven-player deal in which Dallas would send 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, center DeSagana Diop, guard Maurice Ager and George -- along with a league-maximum cash inducement of $3 million and two future first-round picks -- to the Nets for Kidd and forward Malik Allen.
But an obscure rule, as opposed to a no-trade clause, enabled George to put the league's third blockbuster trade already this month on hold, at least for the moment.
Although Kobe Bryant is the only player in the league with a specific no-trade clause in his contract, league rules dictate that players on a one-year contract -- but who are also eligible for Early Bird free-agent rights at the end of the contract -- cannot be traded without their consent. George, who earns $2.4 million this season, is one of 18 such players in the league at present, afforded the right to either approve or veto trades because those Bird rights are lost if they do get traded.
"It would have been done tonight if not for [George]," said one team official involved in assembling this follow-up to the Pau Gasol and Shaquille O'Neal blockbusters.
Mavericks sources say that the club never envisioned any protest from George because he's been hoping for an opportunity to play more, which New Jersey would likely offer. Yet when George said no, Dallas went from making tentative plans to have Kidd join them in Phoenix for Thursday's showdown with the rival Suns to starting George in Wednesday's home game against Portland.
But George would figure to face an uncomfortable future with his teammates, coaches and bosses if he does prevent Kidd's return by staying with the Mavs, which has some team insiders optimistic that the 30-year-old will eventually accept his move to New Jersey. It might already be uncomfortable for George with Mavs fans, some of whom booed and heckled him during the late stages of an 0-for-11 shooting night in Dallas' 96-76 win over the Blazers after news of George's stance began to spread.
George said: "Fans were like, 'C'mon, what are you doing? Stop it. You're holding things up. ... Quit being selfish. C'mon, we want Kidd.'"
Before his flight to Dallas, Bartelstein told ESPN.com by phone: "We're not trying to block anything. The issue is that if he agrees to this deal, he has to give up his Bird rights. To lose that tool in today's world of free agency is a difficult thing to do. In this day and age, the sign-and-trade is a valuable tool that I don't want to lose for Devean. We're not trying to cause a problem. Teams have to do what's in their best interest. Sometimes players do, too. I hate to cause grief, but I have to do what's best for Devean. It's not a power play. My job is to protect him."
The Nets wanted George included because his contract expires at season's end, adding to their long-term salary savings from the transaction. If he doesn't budge, both teams would likely have to put other players in the deal to save it.
The Mavericks, for example, could try to tweak things slightly by substituting Eddie Jones and rookie Nick Fazekas or Jones and veteran Juwan Howard for George. The Nets would likely be inclined to add guard Darrell Armstrong to keep the Nets from going over the 15-man roster limit.
Another option is Dallas signing and trading the retired Keith Van Horn in George's place. Although he's been out of the game since the end of the 2005-06 season, Van Horn hasn't filed official retirement papers with the league, allowing Dallas to retain his rights. The Mavs, then, could create an expiring contract for the Nets by adding Van Horn to the deal in name only, because only the first year of a contract must be guaranteed in a sign-and-trade arrangement.
Mavs owner Mark Cuban, though, insisted to ESPN.com last week that "we won't use [Van Horn] in any deal for anyone."
That's because Kidd would cost the Mavericks nearly $40 million next season, thanks to the luxury tax, if they only sent Harris, Van Horn and salary-cap filler to the Nets. Even the much simpler step of taking George out and plugging Van Horn in would still add to what was already a substantial bill for Cuban.
If George stays in the trade, Dallas' luxury-tax bill at season's end rises from $9.1 million to $15 million, along with the $3 million cash that Dallas has agreed to add to the deal. If George stays on the Mavs' roster and Van Horn is signed, Dallas' tax bill rises to $17-plus million at season's end.
Before news of George's resistance surfaced, members of both organizations were treating the trade as a done deal.
"I love him," Nets coach Lawrence Frank told reporters in Toronto before the Nets' Kidd-loss to the Raptors. "He's a very special person, but it's time for both him and the organization to part ways."
Said Stackhouse: "I think Devin has a lot of upside, but Jason Kidd is the type of all-league point guard our team needs. We just need a jolt. Adding a player like him can re-energize a team, hopefully."
New Jersey was originally expected to buy out Stackhouse's contract immediately, with Dallas hoping to re-sign him once Stackhouse sits out the 30 days required by rejoining a team that just traded you.
"I feel great," Stackhouse told the Associated Press. "I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back. I ain't going nowhere."
Dallas had widely been considered the favorite to win the Kidd trade sweepstakes from the start, tantalized by the prospect of bringing Kidd back more than a decade after the pre-Cuban regime drafted him out of Cal, watched him share NBA Rookie of the Year honors with Grant Hill in 1995 and then traded him to Phoenix one day after Christmas in 1996.
The Mavs' biggest reservation wasn't sacrificing Harris, who signed a contract extension over the summer. Sources maintain that Dallas, while reluctant to part with one of Cuban's favorite players and its point guard of the future, has been resigned for some time to losing Harris if it meant getting Kidd back.
The greater hesitation, sources said, is that they would also have to part with Stackhouse and Diop, weakening Dallas' depth. Even if the Nets do waive Stackhouse and Dallas is able to re-sign him after a 30-day wait, losing Diop is a significant blow. His departure would leave the inconsistent Erick Dampier as the Mavericks' only veteran center at a time when potential playoff foes like the Los Angeles Lakers (Pau Gasol) and Phoenix Suns (Shaquille O'Neal) are getting bigger.
But Dallas appears more motivated than ever in spite of those concerns, believing that Kidd -- although he turns 35 in March and is threatening to establish a new career low with his 36.7 percent shooting from the field -- is still a prime source of leadership and mental toughness.
Kidd displayed those qualities in abundance during a strong summer with Team USA and those areas are well-chronicled weak spots for the Mavs, who followed up a historic collapse to Miami in the 2006 NBA Finals with a first-round flameout against Golden State after winning 67 games last season. A point guard of Kidd's caliber, influence and experience would undoubtedly please demanding Mavs coach Avery Johnson and reinvigorate a team that has been lacking energy and confidence. It would also supply Dallas' coach with a dangerous four-man core of Kidd, Josh Howard, Jason Terry and reigning MVP Dirk Nowitzki.
Nowitzki is the player Kidd has had in mind when privately telling associates in recent months that he hoped to go back to Dallas.
Although his desire to leave New Jersey had been suspected all season, Kidd didn't go public with that wish until late January, when he told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that it's time for him and New Jersey "all to move on" in separate directions.
Kidd was acquired by the Nets in the 2001 offseason in a trade with Phoenix featuring Stephon Marbury. He sparked New Jersey to the most successful period in the team's NBA history, starting with back-to-back trips to the NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003. After giving strong consideration to signing with San Antonio in the summer of 2003, Kidd elected to stay with the Nets. During the past four-plus seasons, however, New Jersey has not advanced past the second round of the playoffs, despite the 2004 arrival of Vince Carter and Kidd's successful recovery from microfracture knee surgery.
The Nets were prepared to deal Kidd to the Lakers at the trade deadline last season but pulled out of the deal when L.A. refused to part with center Andrew Bynum, who has since blossomed. But this would also be a good haul for New Jersey president Rod Thorn and new assistant Kiki Vandeweghe, coming away with a younger heir to Kidd in Harris, expiring contracts in Diop and George and the two future first-round picks plus cash.
But if George's veto ends up spiking this trade -- as well as a separate trade that would send Nets swingman Antoine Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick -- it wouldn't be the first time that a peripheral name caused a monumental deal to collapse. In the summer of 2000, Matt Geiger's refusal to waive his trade kicker squelched a four-team deal between the Sixers, Pistons, Lakers and Hornets that would have sent Allen Iverson to the Pistons.
Said Kidd in Toronto, confident that the deal would be completed as agreed upon: "There's been mention of a snag, but everything works itself out at the end of the day. I had a great time here in New Jersey. ... We've done a lot to turn this franchise around. So it's been a good time."
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 18, 2008 14:58:08 GMT -5
looks like it's back on.
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Post by Bigs on Feb 18, 2008 15:10:46 GMT -5
And the Hornets are sitting on their azz... cmon Jeff Bower ....
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Post by Coach on Feb 18, 2008 16:52:41 GMT -5
No need to sweat it Bigs.....this trade doesnt make the Mavs any better than they are.....i dunno what Mark Cuban is doing. He just made a lateral move....no progress at all.
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Post by Bigs on Feb 18, 2008 17:00:16 GMT -5
but now.... CP3 has to deal with Nash, and Kidd. The Hornets are going to have trouble in the playoffs.
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Post by Coach on Feb 18, 2008 17:05:36 GMT -5
You talk as if Kidd has any kind of D....this coming from a die hard Mavs fan.
We have acquired a future hall of famer who plays no D and cant shoot worth a lick.
And that "almost" triple double he average in the east......will take a substantial decline in the west. *sign*
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Post by Bigs on Feb 18, 2008 17:08:36 GMT -5
I like the mavs also, but I am a converted Hornets fan. Kidd will be able to be physical with Paul. He may not play much D, but he can physically wear down CP3.
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Post by suavesince1911 on Feb 18, 2008 17:37:33 GMT -5
I don't understand the comments about Kidd's "lack of defense." The man is a 9 time all-defensive team player with his most recent honor coming last year. Not to mention, he is a great rebounding guard. The Mavericks have lacked in the rebounding department for years: this is another area where Kidd can greatly contribute. He's barely behind Nowitzki in rpg average.
The man is having one of his best seasons ever: he's damn near averaging a triple-double. He will navigate the offense quite nicely, and he brings much needed veteran leadership to the team. This can only HELP the team. Who can't use a PG who averages 11 ppg 8 rpg 10+ apg?
In the short term, I think this move WILL help the Mavericks.
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Post by Bigs on Feb 19, 2008 17:24:02 GMT -5
Is is now final.....
If the Hornets could package Butler, Bobby Jackson, and Julian Wright they could get a decent 2, and a starting lineup of CP3, Peja, David West, and Tyson Chandler could be very formidable.
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Post by Coach on Feb 19, 2008 19:12:53 GMT -5
So we give up Diop and expect Dampier to hold it down in the middle?? So we give up the point guard of the future for an aging vet who prob wont give us more than 3 years?? Most importantly we gave up all those player expecting Dampier to be able to defend against Duncan AND Shaq in the playoffs?
You would think the Mavs learn not to trade away your point guard of the future from when they first sent Kidd packing....well we'll see.
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Post by Coach on Feb 20, 2008 23:53:18 GMT -5
I dunno where the 9 time all-defensive team player aka Jason Kidd was tonight. Cause CP3 sure as hell dropped 31, 11, and 5 on us tonight.....this nigga was scoring AND dishing on Kidd. Sheesh...
**Sign**
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Post by Bigs on Feb 21, 2008 9:36:11 GMT -5
CP3 is the man. Simple as that
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Post by suavesince1911 on Feb 23, 2008 0:02:55 GMT -5
I dunno where the 9 time all-defensive team player aka Jason Kidd was tonight. Cause CP3 sure as hell dropped 31, 11, and 5 on us tonight.....this nigga was scoring AND dishing on Kidd. Sheesh... **Sign** CP3 scores and dishes on damn near everybody. He has established himself as an elite PG. Kobe is hailed as a great defender; he has been lit up before.....plenty of times. Great defenders won't stop great offensive players every night. Kidd is better than what the Mavericks had before. Stop bitching. |
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Post by coldfront06 on Feb 23, 2008 0:45:48 GMT -5
15 dimes tonight...as he plays more with the team, I expect them to be better.
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Post by coldfront06 on Feb 23, 2008 1:29:40 GMT -5
Houston has quietly won 11 in a row...they stomped New Orleans tonight. No one is really talking about the Rockets.
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Post by sigmamason on Feb 23, 2008 7:50:42 GMT -5
There are a couple of teams that people overlook...Houston is one...but part of that is past history...they have had much stronger team rosters in the past and flamed out come playoff time (either T-Mac is hurt or Yao is hurt or both...)
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Post by Coach on Feb 23, 2008 10:46:23 GMT -5
I dunno where the 9 time all-defensive team player aka Jason Kidd was tonight. Cause CP3 sure as hell dropped 31, 11, and 5 on us tonight.....this nigga was scoring AND dishing on Kidd. Sheesh... **Sign** CP3 scores and dishes on damn near everybody. He has established himself as an elite PG. Kobe is hailed as a great defender; he has been lit up before.....plenty of times. Great defenders won't stop great offensive players every night. Kidd is better than what the Mavericks had before. Stop bitching. ROFL...hardly would i called that bitching. Dah well....your entitle to think what ya want....so be it. So your telling me, Kidd makes the the Mavs better than they were? How so?? This was a lateral move at best.... **Awaits for suave's stop bitching remarks....once again** LOL |
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Post by coldfront06 on Feb 24, 2008 22:13:17 GMT -5
17 more assists tonight...and added 12 points and 7 rebounds just for fun.
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Post by Bigs on Feb 25, 2008 8:36:34 GMT -5
Like I said.... I'm now a little more worried about the Hornets even finishing in the top 6 of the west.
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