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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 29, 2008 10:42:11 GMT -5
SAVED?  ? Is it synonymous to being born-again? Is everybody saved? Should your answer be bible based? If you are saved, when did it happen? What are you saved from? I present this question to anyone that calls themselves Christian, obviously if you have another faith tradition your answer will differ vastly (and I didn't start this thread to argue about inter religious differences). I'll be back later with my response, don't want to control the discussion  . |
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Post by Nupey on Feb 29, 2008 10:44:56 GMT -5
Romans says "CONFESS with your mouths and believe in your hearts..." (paraphrased)
So I guess thats my answer
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Post by jay0heavenly on Feb 29, 2008 10:45:47 GMT -5
Ahhhhh Romans 10:9...said in churches around the world....Good start P. So EVERYBODY that says that prayer and confesses and believes is SAVED?
Does that make them born again? Is salvation equivalent to being born again?
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Post by Nupey on Feb 29, 2008 10:48:11 GMT -5
I would assume so. Thats what the bible said do...and the preacher...so thats what I did....
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Post by kingdelta on Feb 29, 2008 10:59:04 GMT -5
I agree with Nupe but I don't believe salvation is automatic delieverance. That's the process of exercising your salvation.
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Post by Cambist on Feb 29, 2008 11:16:44 GMT -5
Hmmmm.....
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Post by 123Diva on Feb 29, 2008 11:23:29 GMT -5
SAVED? ? Essentially what Nupe said.Is it synonymous to being born-again? YES!Is everybody saved? NO, we have free-will. You 'choose' to be saved.Should your answer be bible based? Absolutely.If you are saved, when did it happen? A long time ago...I may have been 8 or 9.What are you saved from? Eternal damnation/hell.I present this question to anyone that calls themselves Christian, obviously if you have another faith tradition your answer will differ vastly (and I didn't start this thread to argue about inter religious differences). I'll be back later with my response, don't want to control the discussion . |
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Post by Puzzler on Mar 3, 2008 22:51:12 GMT -5
I'm saved, but I rather say I have been delivered. There are many people walking around claiming to be saved, but don't walk the path. That tends to confuse those who want to be saved and delivered, but see people not walking the path that claim to be saved.
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 5, 2008 19:43:39 GMT -5
I really wanted to think about this before I posted my answer. In many of our churches we hear very frequently about salvation in terms of being "free from the penalty of sin", i.e. Jesus died for you so you can live....but I feel that a solid reading of the New Testament reveals that biblical salvation always included "freedom from the power of sin" as well.
Freedom of the power of sin being the power of Christ inside you to say "no" and be delivered from fornication, cursing, lying etc.
Nobody on here knows me from before I was Jay0 "heavenly"....lol... I used to curse like a sailor, drink, smoke trees, get into mad fights, you name it. When I got saved, no doubt about it I was free from the penalty of sin, but more importantly I was free from the "power of sin". I no longer "had" to curse, smoke, etc... Obviously I can if I choose, but now like Paul said in Romans "I will not be mastered by anything". Its been years since I did any of that. I say this NOT to boast about me, cuz I ain't nothing personally, only that Christ truly has a strong hand to deliver. The adage found in 1 John 4:4 "Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world" is eternally true.
Hence, although salvation is a loaded term, in my deduction of scripture, it begins with hearing God's call, answering it by receiving Christ into your heart. Once Jesus has been let it, its IMPOSSIBLE to stay the same. Many people that said a prayer one day and are still the same 2 years later are probably the victims of a false conversion. But thats another thread all together.
Man I love all yall with the love of the Lawd!
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Post by water on Mar 5, 2008 22:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by akbarjones on Mar 6, 2008 9:34:38 GMT -5
Many people that said a prayer one day and are still the same 2 years later are probably the victims of a false conversion. But thats another thread all together.
Jay I have to disagree that they are the victims of false conversion. It could be because they don't know how to listen to God, how to pray correctly and what it truly means to be saved. Some are false converts but I think most lack the understanding of standing on the word of God, and putting on the whole armor of God. I believe most of the problems come from a lack in discernment. Some people don't know the difference of when they are being tried by God or tempted by the devil. Those who truly understand the power of the Holy Spirit will be able to distinguish.
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Post by water on Mar 6, 2008 10:40:56 GMT -5
biblethumpin Jones
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Post by akbarjones on Mar 6, 2008 14:33:40 GMT -5
lol @ water, i am the honorary bible beater now huh?
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Post by water on Mar 6, 2008 14:59:25 GMT -5
You now it
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Post by Nupey on Mar 6, 2008 16:20:14 GMT -5
Man, when can I become a Bible Beater?? Do I got to denounce first?
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 6, 2008 16:50:19 GMT -5
and stop 4nick8ing  |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 7, 2008 8:18:44 GMT -5
Lol, Jay, how do you know I do that?
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 7, 2008 8:57:16 GMT -5
Cuz I can read...and you type ya bidness on here |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 7, 2008 8:58:45 GMT -5
Well, you call gay people "faggots"...
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 7, 2008 9:18:23 GMT -5
no I don't... find me that thread. I definitely did in the past, but God convicted me about being insulting to people that He loves. Jesus would never call someone "faggot" so that word had to leave my vocab as well. Nice try tho P |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 7, 2008 9:48:54 GMT -5
Nah homey you did! I was shocked too! I had called about that certain "package" you mailed me, and you said it then when we were talking about something that happened on the board....man I was in tears rolling!!!!
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Post by jay0heavenly on Mar 7, 2008 10:59:54 GMT -5
I don't remember that but I might have said it before  ...but never again... |
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Post by water on Mar 7, 2008 14:02:19 GMT -5
Amen
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...but never again...