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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 5, 2008 11:52:33 GMT -5
Naw Dove no Offense taken. Them the dudes that say it. They think we call ourselves Ques because of the letter Omega so they therefore copy and attempt to use it. I don't know if the GpG founder is still active or not. I do know he is a bruh. I mean you have to understand folks may think I'm biased but its the truth...early on at Morgan Groove Phi Groove, Iota Phi Theta, Omega Phi Omega, Alpha Phi Omega, Phi Omicron Psi and the Pershing Rifles were all influenced by the bruhz. Chit was sickening sometimes. Iota has changed alot and are starting to formulate an identity for themselves and so have the Grooves somewhat but the rest of them Especially the Alpha Phi Omega at HBCU's down south SWEAR they the bruhz...
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 11:54:32 GMT -5
So people can't change their minds? Maybe when he transferred he saw something in PBS that he had never seen in PBS or another other org before? Maybe he joined Groove solely for the brotherhood aspect at his other school? A lot of folks don't join orgs for every single that the org stands for. I guess I just tend to see things a lot differently than most people on this board I don't know. I feel that if this guy joins Sigma and then sees something in another org that he never saw before then its goodbye Sigma, Hello New Org. Just seems like a lack of commitment to me. |
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Post by happy1 on Aug 5, 2008 12:21:31 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, if Groove, Iota or any of those orgs disbanded and ceased to function, would you consider any of the former brothers for membership?
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 12:32:19 GMT -5
So people can't change their minds? Maybe when he transferred he saw something in PBS that he had never seen in PBS or another other org before? Maybe he joined Groove solely for the brotherhood aspect at his other school? A lot of folks don't join orgs for every single that the org stands for. I guess I just tend to see things a lot differently than most people on this board You can change your mind all day long, but that doesn't mean we have to take you just because you changed your mind. You made your bed, now lie in it. |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 12:38:57 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, if Groove, Iota or any of those orgs disbanded and ceased to function, would you consider any of the former brothers for membership? It would take a pretty compelling discussion to make me consider, but I would have a hard time vouching for anyone that belonged to a previous Fraternity that excluded dual membership in other Fraternities that are were not Professional or Honorary in nature. Thats our (Sigma) policy too so it just doesn't sit well with me. Its weird because Groove Phi Groove's website states that they prohibit dual membership in non Professional/Honorary Fraternities and I know Sigma does as well. I have no idea how the guy in Iceman's scenario was able to pull this off. |
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Post by huey on Aug 5, 2008 12:41:57 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, if Groove, Iota or any of those orgs disbanded and ceased to function, would you consider any of the former brothers for membership? It would take a pretty compelling discussion to make me consider, but I would have a hard time vouching for anyone that belonged to a previous Fraternity that excluded dual membership in other Fraternities that are were not Professional or Honorary in nature. Thats our (Sigma) policy too so it just doesn't sit well with me. Its weird because Groove Phi Groove's website states that they prohibit dual membership in non Professional/Honorary Fraternities and I know Sigma does as well. I have no idea how the guy in Iceman's scenario was able to pull this off. Maybe it was a new provision? |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 12:45:45 GMT -5
Thats possible. I'm not familiar with their protocol so its definitely a possibility, but that wouldn't change it being against Sigma's Protocol. Is G Phi G considered a Fraternity or just an organization?
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 12:53:26 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, if Groove, Iota or any of those orgs disbanded and ceased to function, would you consider any of the former brothers for membership? It would take a pretty compelling discussion to make me consider, but I would have a hard time vouching for anyone that belonged to a previous Fraternity that excluded dual membership in other Fraternities that are were not Professional or Honorary in nature. Thats our (Sigma) policy too so it just doesn't sit well with me. Its weird because Groove Phi Groove's website states that they prohibit dual membership in non Professional/Honorary Fraternities and I know Sigma does as well. I have no idea how the guy in Iceman's scenario was able to pull this off. I think they officially classify themselves as a "Social Fellowship". I don't know if there is a loophole with that or what. Dude said he never informed his Bros about his GPG status until after he was initiated as a Sigma. Like, when any of our paperwork is submitted, I guess nothing would pop up if it wasn't NPHC affiliated. If an aspirant never tells you he's a Groove...how would the D9Org know? Crazy right? |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 12:57:07 GMT -5
Yeah, apparently he thought something may be wrong with that scenario since he didn't mention it....
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 12:57:15 GMT -5
Do we check with the other NPHC orgs to make sure that an individual isn't already a member of another NPHC org before we accept them for membership? If not, what would stop someone from pledging Omega on the West Coast and then moving to the East Coast and pledging Sigma?
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 12:58:57 GMT -5
Do we check with the other NPHC orgs to make sure that an individual isn't already a member of another NPHC org before we accept them for membership? If not, what would stop someone from pledging Omega on the West Coast and then moving to the East Coast and pledging Sigma? I always thought they did, but its not like I have ever been in the National Offices watching them do it lol. Who knows if they are enforcing that rule. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 13:03:24 GMT -5
I was just wondering. I have a friend who's Aunt pledged Zeta when she was in college, but denounced her membership in Zeta later on and pledged AKA. She's been an AKA for a lil while now.
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 13:05:59 GMT -5
I was just wondering. I have a friend who's Aunt pledged Zeta when she was in college, but denounced her membership in Zeta later on and pledged AKA. She's been an AKA for a lil while now. I have heard of situations like that, but they mostly concern renegades that have seeked another path after being denied real membership. |
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 13:08:06 GMT -5
Do we check with the other NPHC orgs to make sure that an individual isn't already a member of another NPHC org before we accept them for membership? If not, what would stop someone from pledging Omega on the West Coast and then moving to the East Coast and pledging Sigma? Froze, I may be wrong, but I actually believe we do. Let me check on that with my sands in B-more who would know. |
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Post by goldenepiphany on Aug 5, 2008 13:13:38 GMT -5
I know quite a few people who pledged the Afro-centric orgs who now either regret it or say that didn't know any better. I wonder what that phenomenon is all about. Why are folks joining without knowing "any better." I don't frequently hear Greeks say "man, I pledged AKA back when I was a freshman and I ain't know no better" I Have Heard Some Greeks Say That...... |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 13:14:43 GMT -5
Do we check with the other NPHC orgs to make sure that an individual isn't already a member of another NPHC org before we accept them for membership? If not, what would stop someone from pledging Omega on the West Coast and then moving to the East Coast and pledging Sigma? Froze, I may be wrong, but I actually believe we do. Let me check on that with my sands in B-more who would know. Maybe we do. Now in the internet age it would be easier to do so. |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Aug 5, 2008 13:16:50 GMT -5
LOL, I wanna comment so bad but this is not about my org so I'll leave it alone.
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 13:17:57 GMT -5
For the sake of argument, if Groove, Iota or any of those orgs disbanded and ceased to function, would you consider any of the former brothers for membership? It's highly unlikely, but if any of our Org's "officialy" shut down at the national level, it's existing members would still claim it's affiliation. There would always be brother from all orgs in D9 and maybe GPG that state "Im going to be an XXXX until the day I die". I think clusters of members would still function at some level and rep regardless (Im sure many "unofficial/unsanctioned" members would pop up too - lol) So in your scenario, I would say No to those orgs, “especially” to Iota (only because you were once part of the D9). In that situation, a former Iota (whose Frat has disbanded on a national level), now becomes a Kappa as an example. Well what if Iota comes back officially, or what if those clusters of existing members better organize themselves in large numbers. Feeling some sort of loyalty to his first frat, he remains close with them. Eventually he starts sharing secrets both ways to Iota’s and Kappas..Just a flat out mess! LOL – I know that’s a fantasy based scenario…..but still, No..haha |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 13:18:51 GMT -5
I know quite a few people who pledged the Afro-centric orgs who now either regret it or say that didn't know any better. I wonder what that phenomenon is all about. Why are folks joining without knowing "any better." I don't frequently hear Greeks say "man, I pledged AKA back when I was a freshman and I ain't know no better" I Have Heard Some Greeks Say That...... Me too. I have mentioned on here before that I have a Sigma friend who wants to be an ALPHA now. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 13:19:21 GMT -5
LOL, I wanna comment so bad but this is not about my org so I'll leave it alone. Say it!!! lol |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 13:21:48 GMT -5
LOL, I wanna comment so bad but this is not about my org so I'll leave it alone. Feel free. The original scenario was about a Sigma and I'm the only Sigma commenting lol. I don't think the discussion will take a turn for the worse if another opinion is added  |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Aug 5, 2008 13:27:14 GMT -5
I actually starting typing but I had to remember the vow I made to myself. If it's not about GSS then I'm keeping my mouth shut. Same old stuff...different people.
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 13:42:55 GMT -5
What a really dead site this will become if everyone only posted when the topic is about their org.
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Post by Bunny Hop on Aug 5, 2008 13:56:14 GMT -5
What a really dead site this will become if everyone only posted when the topic is about their org. But when it comes to Alpha Phi Omega I will not speak(unless I'm among Gamma Sigs) on their behalf...just my personal experience. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 13:57:04 GMT -5
What a really dead site this will become if everyone only posted when the topic is about their org. But when it comes to Alpha Phi Omega I will not speak(unless I'm among Gamma Sigs) on their behalf...just my personal experience. Oh ok...I see. |
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Post by huey on Aug 5, 2008 14:02:13 GMT -5
What a really dead site this will become if everyone only posted when the topic is about their org. I'll bite. There's a social group at my school, which was founded in the early 2000s by mostly black freshman, maybe a few sophmores too. At first it was a clique, but then it became more than that. They started having meetings, collected dues, throwing parties,etc. I believe it was because some of the founders were interests in a fraternity and only one crossed. They a real family and i see more brotherhood in that group then in many frats. Neverless like i said black frats weren't poppin at my school, in fact, this group was starting to become frat like, the only thing they didn't have was they wasnt national in scope. They did events, they did community service, everyone on campus knew who they was,etc. (hell they even got symbols, grips, a process, stroll, hop and shimmey!) But black frats started to get popular at my school again, and people in that group pledged diff black frats. Once they crossed the black frats wanted their neos to distance themselves from that group, but the neos weren't having it. The neos put that group above the frat and they aint afraid to acknowledge that. Even though i've seen members from that group go on to become members of a black frat, ive never seen frat members join that group. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 14:03:59 GMT -5
Ok.
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Post by tremab on Aug 5, 2008 14:23:20 GMT -5
this is kind of related...
but is it true that one of Iota's founders later went on to become a Kappa?
obviously, if it is indeed the case and not just an internets-only rumor, it was before Iota joined the NPHC...
I wouldn't be in favor of a Groove or former Groove attempting to become a Sigma, even if it wasn't a violation of our Constitution and By-laws (which it is).
Grooves are cool with me though...they were the first Black fraternal-ish group at my undergrad. And they name their chapters after the respective school's mascot...kind of hard to be mad at the "Screaming Hawks Chapter," for instance...
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Post by grits n gravy on Aug 5, 2008 15:36:47 GMT -5
<------ From the Dunkin Donus Chapter of Sigma's Groove.
Call sign- "Wipe Yo Mouf!"
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Post by Southie on Aug 5, 2008 21:57:20 GMT -5
Interesting information
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