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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 9:05:13 GMT -5
So I’m playing some ball with my boys this past weekend, and a brother comes over and says “Peace Greek” seeing the APA brand on my arm. Initially seeing his “Groove Phi Groove” tank top on, I kind of look and just say what’s up brother. As the dude gets closer, I notice he has a “Sigma” brand on his arm as well. Huh?
Dude could clearly see the confused look on my face and started explaining before I even said or asked anything. Basically, dude pledged Groove when he got to school but eventually transferred to another school. While there, he really didn’t rep Groove as there were no Grooves on that yard (not many grooves out west he says). He eventually became interested in Sigma and pledged PBS. He said he now shares dual membership and there really is no conflict as Groove is not a Greek organization that is part of the D9. It is only a social fellowship.
I was a little shocked, but didn’t interrogate him on it as it was really none of my business. I did ask one question though…. What did his Sigma brothers think about his “dual membership”? He said he didn’t tell his chapter brothers he was a Groove until after he was initiated and went over (to avoid possible rejection). He said from time to time he comes across a lot of brothers (on both sides) that don’t approve of it, but he has and meets other brothers that are not bothered by it. He says he loves both Orgs and doesn’t hide his affiliation for either. Wow.
What do you all think of this – Especially the Sigma’s? I don’t really know anything about Grooves or their policy on “dual membership”, but you would think their national headquarters wouldn’t approve of this, right? Like I said, I didn’t get dudes life story, so I don’t know if he is a “ghost” for either org or whatever. If I’m not crossing the line, could one of the good men of PBS on the board fill me in? If this dude is a financially active member of PBS, would his membership status come under question if he is found to be an active member with Groove Phi Groove?? Just curious. In almost 13 years of being an Alpha, seeing a “Greek Groove” was certainly new experience for me. Maybe this is becoming more common…Anyone?
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:10:00 GMT -5
I think it is kind of contradictory seeing as G Phi G was founded as an alternative to Greek Fraternities. It was founded as a part of the whole Black Power movement.
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 5, 2008 9:14:35 GMT -5
I was once told by a Groove that you had to "renounce" a Greek org if you wanted to join GPhiG. But I also knew of a man who was a Groove as well as an Alpha. So I'on know. *shrugs*
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:16:27 GMT -5
I think if you are a Groove first, then you can pledge a BGLO if they are willing to take you.
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 9:22:18 GMT -5
I think it is kind of contradictory seeing as G Phi G was founded as an alternative to Greek Fraternities. It was founded as a part of the whole Black Power movement. My thinking is along the same lines Froze. If I'm not mistaken, it "seems" that they pattern themselves after the Greek Fraternity model as well. Not saying I have anything against GPG because I don't really know any members or much about them.But I have seen these men out at Greek Picnics, stepping, strolling, etc. Speaking personally, If I knew an aspirant for APA was already a Groove member......It would be a "no-go" from me and mine. Sorry. Im sure many Greeks feel like that as well. Im assuming that's why dude "hid" his GPG affiliation from his PBS chapter initially. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 9:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah, G PHI G has become more and more BGLO-ized. They step, do calls, stroll, wear line names and line numbers, etc.
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 5, 2008 9:53:29 GMT -5
Probably because the entire culture is different now. "Black Power" isn't going to get a lot of play these days.
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Post by huey on Aug 5, 2008 9:58:12 GMT -5
i dunno, i have to hear a Groove member speak on this first. As of now i dont see what the big fuss is.
What's that other black sorority, the one with the turtle mascot? Aren't there dual members from that organization as well?
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 10:03:59 GMT -5
Question...
Would any Greek here on OOA "consider" an aspirant for membership in their Org who met all the qualification criterea....if they were already a Groove ?
Since they are not a Greek Org, could they technically be viewed as any other social group or Org outside of GLO's that have a common cause? Im sure we all have members of our Org's now that may have been members of honor societies, or other Afro-Centric based groups. Should the Grooves be considered any different?
AND....does anyone here know of a NPHC rule or by-law that says a member of Groove can't become a Greek?
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 10:08:48 GMT -5
I would look at them on a case by case basis. Seriously. For instance, if they are in their 40s now but they became a Groove back in their late teens, I would be more likely to give them a chance. We all did things as teenagers that we probably look back on now and can't believe we did them. If they pledged Groove 3 years ago and now decide that they want to be an ALPHA, that's a no go.
From what I understand, the main NPHC rule is that you can't be a member of more than one NPHC organization.
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 5, 2008 10:20:28 GMT -5
Of all the "dual" members I know, they were Groove/Swing first, then Greek. And of all the ones I know, they no longer rep Groove/Swing
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Post by huey on Aug 5, 2008 10:21:48 GMT -5
I would look at them on a case by case basis. Seriously. For instance, if they are in their 40s now but they became a Groove back in their late teens, I would be more likely to give them a chance. We all did things as teenagers that we probably look back on now and can't believe we did them. If they pledged Groove 3 years ago and now decide that they want to be an ALPHA, that's a no go. From what I understand, the main NPHC rule is that you can't be a member of more than one NPHC organization. But why is it a bad thing? Maybe i'm missing something. You think because he's not loyal to Groove he won't be loyal to Alpha? |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 10:27:29 GMT -5
Huey, you have to look at the principles that Groove was founded on, and the reason that people join Groove/Swing. It was founded to be an alternative to Greek life during the Black Power movement. They wanted to focus more on our Blackness and felt that we were being lost in Greek culture. Most of them pride themselves on not being GREEK. Therefore, to be Groove and Greek is basically a huge contradiction. www.groove-phi-groove.org/history.htm |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 10:29:50 GMT -5
I personally do not know much about Groove Phi Groove, but if it was founded to be an alternative to BGLOs, I would have a problem with an aspirant with prior membership. I have alot of Frat who are members of KKPsi and A Phi Omega so dual membership in other orgs does not bother me. The alternative idea is what rubs me the wrong way. If you want to be in a alternative org to a BGLO, sitck with it.....
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 10:33:26 GMT -5
Huey, you have to look at the principles that Groove was founded on, and the reason that people join Groove/Swing. It was founded to be an alternative to Greek life during the Black Power movement. They wanted to focus more on our Blackness and felt that we were being lost in Greek culture. Most of them pride themselves on not being GREEK. Therefore, to be Groove and Greek is basically a huge contradiction. www.groove-phi-groove.org/history.htmInteresting....reading that, there does appear to be a clear contradiction or conflict (based on their fellowship's initial founding principles). |
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 5, 2008 10:34:43 GMT -5
I know quite a few people who pledged the Afro-centric orgs who now either regret it or say that didn't know any better. I wonder what that phenomenon is all about. Why are folks joining without knowing "any better." I don't frequently hear Greeks say "man, I pledged AKA back when I was a freshman and I ain't know no better"
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Post by happy1 on Aug 5, 2008 10:36:04 GMT -5
Groove shares Morgan State with Iota and were founded the year before us. I don't fully agree with the notion that a Groove could stay active and yet attempt to cross into a fraternity or a Swing into a sorority. I would want to see some dedication in the form of service for at least two years before considering it.
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Post by huey on Aug 5, 2008 10:36:06 GMT -5
I personally do not know much about Groove Phi Groove, but if it was founded to be an alternative to BGLOs, I would have a problem with an aspirant with prior membership. I have alot of Frat who are members of KKPsi and A Phi Q so dual membership in other orgs does not bother me. The alternative idea is what rubs me the wrong way. If you want to be in a alternative org to a BGLO, sitck with it..... Yeah it may have been founded because of it, but that may not be the real reason he joined. In the end its about brotherhood. And what type of brotherhood is he experiencing if he transferred to a school and area with no Grooves. *shrugs* |
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Post by frozenmenace on Aug 5, 2008 10:38:58 GMT -5
I personally do not know much about Groove Phi Groove, but if it was founded to be an alternative to BGLOs, I would have a problem with an aspirant with prior membership. I have alot of Frat who are members of KKPsi and A Phi Q so dual membership in other orgs does not bother me. The alternative idea is what rubs me the wrong way. If you want to be in a alternative org to a BGLO, sitck with it..... Yeah it may have been founded because of it, but that may not be the real reason he joined. In the end its about brotherhood. And what type of brotherhood is he experiencing if he transferred to a school and area with no Grooves. *shrugs* Uh, what kind of logic is that Huey?? So, if you move somewhere where there are no Kappas, would it then be ok for you to become an Omega?? |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 10:40:59 GMT -5
I personally do not know much about Groove Phi Groove, but if it was founded to be an alternative to BGLOs, I would have a problem with an aspirant with prior membership. I have alot of Frat who are members of KKPsi and A Phi Q so dual membership in other orgs does not bother me. The alternative idea is what rubs me the wrong way. If you want to be in a alternative org to a BGLO, sitck with it..... Yeah it may have been founded because of it, but that may not be the real reason he joined. In the end its about brotherhood. And what type of brotherhood is he experiencing if he transferred to a school and area with no Grooves. *shrugs* I see what your saying, but if I transferred to a new area that didn't have Sigmas, I wouldn't be trying to find a different org to take its place. He could have chartered a chapter and Spread the Grooves to his new area... |
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 10:42:41 GMT -5
Yeah it may have been founded because of it, but that may not be the real reason he joined. In the end its about brotherhood. And what type of brotherhood is he experiencing if he transferred to a school and area with no Grooves. *shrugs* Uh, what kind of logic is that Huey?? So, if you move somewhere where there are no Kappas, would it then be ok for you to become an Omega?? You beat me to that one Froze..lol |
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Post by huey on Aug 5, 2008 10:59:27 GMT -5
Uh, what kind of logic is that Huey?? So, if you move somewhere where there are no Kappas, would it then be ok for you to become an Omega?? You beat me to that one Froze..lol ROO TO THAT j/k |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Aug 5, 2008 11:33:41 GMT -5
So people can't change their minds? Maybe when he transferred he saw something in PBS that he had never seen in PBS or another other org before? Maybe he joined Groove solely for the brotherhood aspect at his other school?
A lot of folks don't join orgs for every single that the org stands for.
I guess I just tend to see things a lot differently than most people on this board
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 5, 2008 11:40:06 GMT -5
I personally do not know much about Groove Phi Groove, but if it was founded to be an alternative to BGLOs, I would have a problem with an aspirant with prior membership. I have alot of Frat who are members of KKPsi and A Phi Q so dual membership in other orgs does not bother me. The alternative idea is what rubs me the wrong way. If you want to be in a alternative org to a BGLO, sitck with it..... Please Please They are Alpha Phi Omega. Not A Phi Q. They are not QUES....Thanx and good night |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 5, 2008 11:41:09 GMT -5
Oh one of the Grooves founders is a Bruh now. I remember when he did it like 5 or 6 years ago
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 11:41:25 GMT -5
Maybe I just don't get it because I joined Sigma for all of its principles. If there had of been something in Sigma I didn't agree with, I wouldn't be one.
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 11:43:59 GMT -5
I personally do not know much about Groove Phi Groove, but if it was founded to be an alternative to BGLOs, I would have a problem with an aspirant with prior membership. I have alot of Frat who are members of KKPsi and A Phi Q so dual membership in other orgs does not bother me. The alternative idea is what rubs me the wrong way. If you want to be in a alternative org to a BGLO, sitck with it..... Please Please They are Alpha Phi Omega. Not A Phi Q. They are not QUES....Thanx and good night No offense to the Ques with that V.P. LOL I see it typed so much and it was the first thing that popped in my head. |
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Post by Blu on Aug 5, 2008 11:45:47 GMT -5
Oh one of the Grooves founders is a Bruh now. I remember when he did it like 5 or 6 years ago Is he still active in the Grooves? |
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Post by Iceman on Aug 5, 2008 11:46:24 GMT -5
Oh one of the Grooves founders is a Bruh now. I remember when he did it like 5 or 6 years ago Say Word? |
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Post by No Screen Name on Aug 5, 2008 11:50:57 GMT -5
Is that a mug of beer on their shield?
*peers over glasses*
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