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Post by Bunny Hop on Jul 23, 2008 14:47:38 GMT -5
I know the oreo you speak of Bunny...that isn't who I speak of. I was accused of that too because I got good grades, wore polo and rugby shirts, khakis and shoes...that was just hate. The OREO I speak of is black but doesn't really like black folks at all. They buy into what the majority say about US and seperate themselves because deep down they have issues with black folks...systematically they have lighten their insides until they become just like the Cookie...OREOS. Oh...the "bad" Oreo, lol. I still get those Oreo type comments every once in a while. I guess it's wrong to speak like you have an education ALL THE TIME... |
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 23, 2008 14:52:29 GMT -5
Bunny do you....if all folks can talk about is the way you talk then they should busy themselves with something more productive. F'em with a broomstick.
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 23, 2008 14:54:43 GMT -5
You know me e-sis. I don't really shy away from controversy too much. I'm just saying...I'm all for accountability but not when black folks feet are held to the flames and everyone else gets a pass. NEWSFLASH: BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING WRONG ON EARTH!! KNOW YOUR HISTORY PEOPLE!!!!! <insert sarcastic tone> So Search...are you saying there are historical issues that have a direct effect on the way Blacks act and react?? Are you actually saying that when you see a pattern of behavior in a large group, we oughta look beyond the individual and look to the outside influences, current and historical that may attribute to that behavior in the individual. Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before??  ;D |
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 23, 2008 15:12:29 GMT -5
You know me e-sis. I don't really shy away from controversy too much. I'm just saying...I'm all for accountability but not when black folks feet are held to the flames and everyone else gets a pass. NEWSFLASH: BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING WRONG ON EARTH!! KNOW YOUR HISTORY PEOPLE!!!!! <insert sarcastic tone> So Search...are you saying there are historical issues that have a direct effect on the way Blacks act and react?? Are you actually saying that when you see a pattern of behavior in a large group, we oughta look beyond the individual and look to the outside influences, current and historical that may attribute to that behavior in the individual. Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?? ;D You need to stop...how you going to come in here trying to Johnny Cochran me. You were the one that said there was no debate but no here you are trying to pull my card. You should feel shame. LOL ;D I will say I think you are comparing apples and oranges.  |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 23, 2008 15:25:41 GMT -5
<insert sarcastic tone> So Search...are you saying there are historical issues that have a direct effect on the way Blacks act and react?? Are you actually saying that when you see a pattern of behavior in a large group, we oughta look beyond the individual and look to the outside influences, current and historical that may attribute to that behavior in the individual. Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?? ;D You need to stop...how you going to come in here trying to Johnny Cochran me. You were the one that said there was no debate but no here you are trying to pull my card. You should feel shame. LOL ;D I will say I think you are comparing apples and oranges. damn...I gotta splain airythang huh. Seeing how u and I realized we wuz on da same point...the sarcasm was not directed to u love...only those in opposition. I was just using your posts to do it. |
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 23, 2008 15:37:32 GMT -5
When you quoted me it could be mistcontrued that you were referring to me.
Wired crossed yet again....no love loss. ;D
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Post by Bunny Hop on Jul 23, 2008 18:08:53 GMT -5
LOL at F'em with a broomstick. I realized that a long time ago but it doesn't prevent me from snapping back...which always feels so darn good.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jul 24, 2008 22:11:23 GMT -5
Well, we bring some of this type of misunderstanding on ourselves AGREED!!! Everytime you bump "Supaman that ho" or "Lick you like a lollipop" in your car your supporting the foolishness!!!!!!  BET would stop playing it if we stopped supporting it. If WE stopped supporting it, white people would stop supporting it, because it wouldn't be taboo anymore. Time for US to look in a good mirror and see that most of our PRESENT wounds (NOT PAST) are self-inflicted. Just a black man's $.02 <--- head of the mob <--- loves Weezy <--- wears shades when listening to maintain anonymity  |
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 25, 2008 10:09:47 GMT -5
So if a black man says that some of our problems we bring on ourselves he is a Uncle Tom? That is what you are saying in a nutshell. Well who cares if China import drugs-who makes you smoke it? People that can't read when they graduate High School because they did not go to class or pay attention in class cannot blame anyone but themselves for that shortcoming.
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 25, 2008 11:11:37 GMT -5
Kaos. My point is black folks have contributed to their problems but some of us black people who have "made it" are callous in our assessments because we fail to look at the whole picture. We hold black folks accountable and not those that don't care and actively seek to destroy, pimp, shortchange, exploit and mistreat black americans. As I have stated many times here people look at the end result and never look at how things came to be. Yeah we have ignorance, underachievement, crime and drug use in the black community but all that is coupled with underfunded schools, corrupt law enforcement and unbalance treatment in the judicial system, etc. Our communities had help declining...how much drugs was pumped into them, how many people sent to jail on racially bias crack cocaine mandatory sentences? Come on folks lets think here....Black folks catch hell in this country some of it is us but a lot of it is because of who we are and what we look like. Just because some of us "make it" there is still work to be done. Sadly in todays world we really don't care much about anyone else but ourselves and are content to complain about "Those people" and how "They" need to get it together. Sadly in the eyes of the majoring "They" are "US" no matter what you may think. Stop being SHEEP people!!!
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Post by Coach on Jul 25, 2008 11:19:27 GMT -5
Hmmm, I'm suppose to go to the Beijing Sport University next year. Makes me not want to go...wtf.
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 25, 2008 11:22:21 GMT -5
I help people in my community who are far less fortunate than myself and I have not, in my mind, made it. But I don't want people to wallow in self pitty and self hate and wait on a freaking hand out. As far as my personal experience in the work force-black people have tried to hender me more than white people. So what is that about? Yes there have been and will be forces that ag ainst black america but at the same time when to we become pro-active instead of re-active to the problem that plague our community? And the crack issue-if you know if you get caught with rocks you will get 10 years for each rock why would you continue to sell rocks? You act like the problem is the sentence that is handed down but the problem is selling of rocks. And as far as I am concerned it never a they need to get it together, it is a we need to get it together. If you are not part of the solution to fix the problem you are affectively part of the problem.
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 25, 2008 11:35:52 GMT -5
Kaos....I hear what you are saying but having grown up next to a crack house, known and seen pimp, hookers, and hustlers I have faces to put with the problem. I don't know your experience but I know mine. Everything isn't always black and white. Sometimes people are in hopeless situations and circumstances where whether rightly or wrongly they feel the need to do what they have to do. No one can justify that if you sell crack you get the book thrown at you but if its powder cocaine you get less time. They are both wrong and should be handled as such. Right is right. I am not defending selling crack that would be stupid but I am pointing out the disproportionate sentencing for crimes that are usually related to specific races and classes. If no one sees a problem with it you may want you eyes checked. I don't subscribe to waiting for hand outs...dude I from the hood and worked my ass off to get where I am but I also encountered many obstacles and people who discouraged me from reaching my goal. I am not delluded enough to think I couldn't have been derailed in my journey if not for a different choice here or there. I am real...I know people that could and should have made it but for a bad choice here and there....they aren't and weren't bad people or lazy..the fact was they made a "youthful mistake" as its often called for members of the majority but didn't get the break that they might have gotten if they were black. We need to get it together and we need to hold each other accountable but we cannot be as callous and unsympathetic in our approach and we must hold others outside our community who affect our community just as accountable as we do ourselves. We cannot take a cookie cutter approach and say all people in poverty did something to get there and are lazy and don't want to get out. That is shortsighted. We can't say we don't understand why when we aren't even trying because "we got ours and they need to get theirs." You probably haven't read any of my other post regarding this but I feel the same way...those complaining have to do something...mentor, donate, lobby, vote, etc. If not you are right you are part of the problem.
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 25, 2008 11:41:27 GMT -5
I agree that some people are in hopeless situations but not as many that say it. And yes I have gang bangers and the whole sort in my family. One of my Aunts had eight boys and they all have served time in prison for one thing or another so I am not living in some other universe but I know they did stuff to get locked up. Are there crooked cops sure, judges too, I have no beef with that but when I see parents working hard so their kids can have almost anything they want and they decided it is cool to go rob a store to get money to buy that tenth pair of shoes-cause the nine pair of Jordan's and Polo boots just don't cut it- I see a problem with that.
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 25, 2008 11:48:57 GMT -5
I agree that some people are in hopeless situations but not as many that say it. And yes I have gang bangers and the whole sort in my family. One of my Aunts had eight boys and they all have served time in prison for one thing or another so I am not living in some other universe but I know they did stuff to get locked up. Are there crooked cops sure, judges too, I have no beef with that but when I see parents working hard so their kids can have almost anything they want and they decided it is cool to go rob a store to get money to buy that tenth pair of shoes-cause the nine pair of Jordan's and Polo boots just don't cut it- I see a problem with that. Dude I am with you on that. It starts at home but when home aint right and kids fall into these patterns then what? My point is as a community and as a nation we see these things going on and what is done. Even if people don't like blacks, hispanics, etc and they see a community jacked up knowing that it affects them in some way why aren't more people moved to action to help? That goes for black folks and everyone else. As you stated and I agreed with if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem. This mess has rode for so long and I don't think its been analyzed and attacked the right way. Simply telling folks that obviously are ignorant to Do better without showing, training, or assisting them serves no purpose. Some things are obvious and I think you and I can agree on most of them...stop using and selling dope, save and use the money you do have wisely, go to school, etc. But at the same time their has to be jobs to go to, schools need to be funded, the communities should be safe and properly policed. See what I mean by things have to go hand and hand. that was my point. People don't seem to see the relation and think the change will and should be onesided. That won't work. |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 25, 2008 12:14:10 GMT -5
<~Pokes head in
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 25, 2008 12:16:07 GMT -5
Let me see hear-why is it that more black women go to college than black men? I see your point but at the same time if women can get it toether then why can't we a men do the same? They have just as many hurdles as we do and they are going to prison at the same rate. Now if the funding was in place and the other economic devices were in place and the situation did not change, then what?
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 25, 2008 12:24:57 GMT -5
*2 cents*
Kaos, as it pertains to women attending college more...that's a socio-phenomenom.
And time a segment of the popuation has been disenfranchised and told "they are incapable" they tend to excel when given the oppurtunity to "prove themselves" in that area. Just as Slaves did when they were first freed, women when allowed to work in industrial positions, etc.
Add to the fact that Black Women have often played "supporting" roles in the background of the Black Power Movement, as well as struggling to make ends meet as single parents.
It's no wonder we've taken a more serious approach to college.
That's it.
Carry on. LOL
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 25, 2008 12:34:49 GMT -5
And your point being??? It like this-if the laws were changed to put more black men in prison for selling crack why would continue to sell crack. The laws for selling powder is less then that of rocks so I would like to believe we are smart enough to look at this realisticly. If you just have to sell something illegal start selling concaine. You have to get it anyway to make crack so......I know we are smarter than that.
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Post by Search1906 on Jul 25, 2008 12:42:14 GMT -5
Kaos you are forgetting crack is cheaper to obtain and brings greater profits when cut thus why its so widespread but that is besides the point.
More women are in college for a number of reasons....one being there are simply more women on the planet than men at this point, another being they aren't targeted as much as black men by law enforcement. We can argue this to the cows come home but the numbers don't lie....we are 13 percent of the population and 80% of the prison population. Am I to believe that the majority of our community are deviants and miscreants? Or could it be that we are getting sent away at a higher clip for whatever reasons. The numbers don't lie man. Now I do think we contribute to less cats going to college due to blacks killing each other at young ages and having all the kids we have out of wedlock and having to choose work over school. But you have to agree that there is more to this than just WE GOTTA DO BETTER.
Hey Logakal. I figured I'd speak since you didn't.
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 25, 2008 13:48:39 GMT -5
You are right there is much more o it but if we do not start to turn the cycle around ourselves do we sit and wait for hand outs the rest of our lives. That is all I am saying, be pro-active about this-if one door closes, don't sit there and wait for someone to open one for you knock on a couple of doors and when that does not work-knock the doors down. I love Dr. Kings message but I also understand Malcolm's too.
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 25, 2008 14:39:58 GMT -5
<~Was sittin on the sideline...
Search PM
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 28, 2008 1:32:55 GMT -5
So if a black man says that some of our problems we bring on ourselves he is a Uncle Tom? That is what you are saying in a nutshell. Well who cares if China import drugs-who makes you smoke it? People that can't read when they graduate High School because they did not go to class or pay attention in class cannot blame anyone but themselves for that shortcoming. Yup I think that sums it up. Let's bring it full circle. What if a pedophile walked up to you today and said hey you're not living right and you should be ashamed of yourself. Now would you accept that and look at your shortcomings or would you look at this person, his deeds and question the validity of his thoughts based on his deeds? Some people kill me. Do we hear Jews being blamed for what happened to them in Germany? They stayed in Ghetto's. They used a corrupt system in the underworld to usurp power from the monetary markets. They also sold drugs in Germany as well. (Russian Mob are Khazar Jews.) Native Americans drank the white man's liquor. Used his drugs and abused plants used in spiritual ceremonies such as peyote. Sold land for trinkets. Couldnt read or write.... Are they blamed? Mexicans come here and can't speak english sometimes. Cant read or write. Use and abuse drugs. Have gangs. Sell drugs. kill people... Are they blamed for their plight? Always black folks who have to be super fucking human to overcome everything. Now niggahs believing black people and Mongolians control the drug trade in China and reference rap music as the cause of everything. Wake the hell up man. We in a country where black people as a whole have more education that mexicans in this country but let the media tell its the other way around. |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 28, 2008 1:43:12 GMT -5
damn....a perfect summation to most of my points! We act as if when they freed us we were on equal footing. They had a 400+ year head start in this racial Rat race. Then to pour piss in the wounds....EVERY step made forward...they Tonya Harding'd our asses! Like...we runnin the race bare foot and butt naked...while these mofos is sponsored by Nike, Gatorade and 24 Hour Fitness!!!  AND THEY STILL GOTTA TAKE IT TO OUR KNEES!!! PLEASE KNOW...REAL TALK...THEY STILL DOING US DIRTY DUDE! America was BUILT on free/cheap labor! There's profit in keeping us DUMB and LOCKED UP! They not importing slaves no more...they just recycling the ones they got here!  |
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Post by Noble Work on Jul 28, 2008 16:11:11 GMT -5
"They not importing slaves no more...they just recycling the ones they got here! "
^^^Now this right here!!!! I never heard nobody put it like this. Got me thinking, this is some real type shyt.
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Post by Kryptik on Jul 28, 2008 16:52:08 GMT -5
Noble WorkShe ain't just another pretty face Square! ;D <M:.O:.T:.L:.>
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 28, 2008 17:16:35 GMT -5
Noble WorkShe ain't just another pretty face Square! ;D <M:.O:.T:.L:.> Awwww  (((blushing))) TY wrk2bdn... |
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Post by kaos1906 on Jul 28, 2008 22:42:18 GMT -5
So to sum it up, what you are saying we don't have enough sense not to bring ourselves out of the slums and dumps of the world-we need help to make it happen--
-I'm done
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Post by DSTspr98 on Jul 28, 2008 23:10:39 GMT -5
Both points of view have a sound foundation.
While we can no longer accept and participate in blaming others for our plight and plot in life...we have to move forward ever vigilant.
HOWEVER, we can ill-afford to ignore how we got to the place in the first thru decisions beyond our span of control and influence.
It is the accountability in the PRESENT with knowledge of the past that will truly change our course of trajectory.
Otherwise...it's more bullshit, rhetoric and lip service!
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Post by 100% Bajan on Jul 29, 2008 0:06:24 GMT -5
damn....a perfect summation to most of my points! We act as if when they freed us we were on equal footing. They had a 400+ year head start in this racial Rat race. Then to pour piss in the wounds....EVERY step made forward...they Tonya Harding'd our asses! Like...we runnin the race bare foot and butt naked...while these mofos is sponsored by Nike, Gatorade and 24 Hour Fitness!!! AND THEY STILL GOTTA TAKE IT TO OUR KNEES!!! PLEASE KNOW...REAL TALK...THEY STILL DOING US DIRTY DUDE! America was BUILT on free/cheap labor! There's profit in keeping us DUMB and LOCKED UP! They not importing slaves no more...they just recycling the ones they got here! This is some real talk rite here! |
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