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Post by Southie on Apr 16, 2008 15:28:44 GMT -5
I am just curious. With the discussions of the political season, what do you think? Does it matter? Is it a fair assumption to say that if you are black then you must be a Democrat? (wonders about the potential stereotyping with that remark) What about blacks that support the Republicans? Condi, Powell, Armstrong, etc.? What do you think of them? More people are claiming they would prefer to vote independant, but what does that mean? Remember the Green Party?
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 16, 2008 15:44:40 GMT -5
From what I understand, blacks who vote Repub across the board are generally coons. Like, really. I do like Michael Steele. A little.
I also think that we are just weary of anyone who has that "R" next to their name, but we have good reason to, the old Dixiecrats (who are today's Repubs) were contributors to and ran a system hellbent on holding us down and really, they aren't that much different today.
However, I do believe that in many respects, the Dems are no better.
Remember, Repub Geoff Davis just called Obama "boy" several days ago.
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 16, 2008 15:55:35 GMT -5
Southie- I'm a Dem because my parents were Dems. My father was a bus driver for the city of San Diego (Union), so we voted for what put food on the table, clothes on our backs, roof over the heads, etc....
There is a proud legacy of Black Democrats and under the democratic flag, if you will, Blacks have made a fair share of socio-economic strides...This doesn't mean that all black folks should be Dems, or for that matter, that it's the "right" party for black people. For the last half century, the Dems have been more of a benefit than any other party....
Party affiliation is very time-evolving. We historically before the 1920's were overwhelmingly Republican when the republican party flew under the "Party of Lincoln" auspices...lol!..By true definition, black people are the more conservative of people in this country. But that, and the perception of what and who are "conservative" all changed in the latter part of the 20th century when the Mid-West and Southern white vote (Dixiecrats) bailed on the Dem. party when Hubert H. Humphrey and other liberals began including "civil rights" rhetoric at Dem. conventions...
Today, I think we are gaining enough political capital to choose what's best for us, no matter what the party....but then again, "us" don't look at "us" as "us" anymore, so whose to say what party is good for black folks in the future...
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Post by Cambist on Apr 16, 2008 17:42:03 GMT -5
Black folk get confused when it comes to party affiliation and ideological identification and rightfully so. As the people who have been marginalized and relegated to the lower classes of society, we don't identify with a party using the same criteria as whites.
As EPUN said, we are some of the most conservative folks in the world. We also understand struggle and what it means to be institutionalized in poverty and second class citizenry. So when we say that we're fiscal conservatives, it may not mean the same thing as someone else.
Also, many blacks in the middle and upper middle class still feel a need to help those they left behind. So they vote to insure the demos of society is cared for.
This seems counterproductive to some conservatives but not to black folks.
Republicans will never gain a large section of black voters for several reasons. One I mentioned above but the other is that they like to play on the race issue to get votes. Whenever conveinent, Republicans can always be counted on to bring up the fact that "well, at least we're white". And sadly, it often works.
<<== formerly registered independent who just recently changed his registration to Democrat
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Post by denounced on Apr 16, 2008 19:41:34 GMT -5
 Give me a break with this we're conservative crap. What about all the blood on our hands? |
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Post by Cambist on Apr 16, 2008 19:49:14 GMT -5
As compared to what?
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Post by denounced on Apr 17, 2008 17:44:38 GMT -5
What's to compare? 20% of the population to 11%..........You do the math, work the numbers, come up with all the probable causes, and tell me what you come up with.
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Post by MochaD on Apr 17, 2008 20:11:38 GMT -5
Sidebar: I didn't really read through this thread, but I have a question...when y'all went to vote for the primaries, if you were republican, you were ONLY allowed to vote republican and if you were democrat, you were ONLY allowed to vote democrat. I don't remember being "restricted" but then again I have ALWAYS been a democrat. Was this ALWAYS the case? Has there ever been a time a democrat could vote for a republican and vice versa? I'm just curious??
<---BARACKin' the VOTE!!
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 18, 2008 9:05:17 GMT -5
What's to compare? 20% of the population to 11%..........You do the math, work the numbers, come up with all the probable causes, and tell me what you come up with. Sidebar: I didn't really read through this thread, but I have a question...when y'all went to vote for the primaries, if you were republican, you were ONLY allowed to vote republican and if you were democrat, you were ONLY allowed to vote democrat. I don't remember being "restricted" but then again I have ALWAYS been a democrat. Was this ALWAYS the case? Has there ever been a time a democrat could vote for a republican and vice versa? I'm just curious?? <---BARACKin' the VOTE!! |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 10:16:21 GMT -5
What's to compare? 20% of the population to 11%..........You do the math, work the numbers, come up with all the probable causes, and tell me what you come up with. What does the Latino population (20%) have to do with your statement "blood on our hands"?.... I think I have an idea, but clarification from you would be welcomed  |
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 18, 2008 11:25:33 GMT -5
Here's my deal: I understand what people say when they say that the Democratic party takes us for granted and doesn't always have our best interests. To an extent, I agree. But what are my other options? The only other party that I share any views with is the Green Party, and I wouldn't join them. If I become "independant", I'm probably going to vote for mostly Democrats anyway. If I support a Republican, that person is going to be SOOOO out of step with the mainstream Republican party that they'll be a GOP outcast. I simply don't agree with most of the Republican party platform.
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 18, 2008 11:29:07 GMT -5
<---Independent voter
<---will normally (though not always) vote Democratic in a presendential election, but local elections can swing either way
<---supports Senator Obama
<---refuses to vote for Senator Clinton if she gets the ticket
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 11:43:19 GMT -5
Here's my deal: I understand what people say when they say that the Democratic party takes us for granted and doesn't always have our best interests. To an extent, I agree. But what are my other options? The only other party that I share any views with is the Green Party, and I wouldn't join them. If I become "independant", I'm probably going to vote for mostly Democrats anyway. If I support a Republican, that person is going to be SOOOO out of step with the mainstream Republican party that they'll be a GOP outcast. I simply don't agree with most of the Republican party platform. Valid points Z.... I see conservatism and being a republican as two different things or terms, if you'll allow. The GOP has become a seperatist party, politically speaking, due to what they call "conservatism". Conservatism was a term coined by the GOP in the 50's and 60's when the Democratic party began embracing civil rights and social policy as the party platform. People, like the Dixiecrats of the south and mid-west, did not like this transition the Dems were making b/c then, those social issues evolved around black americans, hence the term "liberal"....Being a conservative in this country meant that you were for "American" values, which was code for "white", so therefore, how possibly could Democrats, black or otherwise, be considered "conservative".... If you really study how the GOP evolved from the party of Lincoln, you will see just how the GOP was a "social issues-like" party.... My parents are of the utmost of conservative people, yet they have been staunch supporters of the Dems forever and a day.... |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 11:54:50 GMT -5
<---Independent voter <---will normally (though not always) vote Democratic in a presendential election, but local elections can swing either way <---supports Senator Obama <---refuses to vote for Senator Clinton if she gets the ticket Diva, me too.... I personally like McCain. He's credible and he's a horrible politician. He's straightforward and I respect that. If Clinton wins the Dem ticket, I'm voting GOP...*shrugs* |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 18, 2008 12:31:40 GMT -5
Y'all want the bottom line?
Both parties have their flaws, but know that we as Af Americans fair...and always fair a hell of alot better with the Democratic party than with Republicans. Over the past 50 - 60 years, the parties have basically switched philosophies. I admonish everybody to not fall for that rhetoric the right-wing dixie-crats like to spew about being responsible for yourself and not looking for handouts. Hell, we as black folks have ALWAYS taken care of ourselves and our own and instilled the values and ideals of hard work and education to our children.
It reminds me of what Jamal Simmons said last week on Larry King. He said:
"You know, it's really dissappointing. Here we have Sen. Obama, a young man who worked his way up from his humble and hard background, got an Ivy League education, worked hard and has earned all that he has, and folks are calling him "elitist."
Just goes to show you that when you do what we all are told to do so that we can get our share of the "American Dream," we are persecuted and vilified....I guess he's a "uppity" nig who worked too hard and acquired too much.
damned if we do, and damned if we don't!
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 12:42:05 GMT -5
Y'all want the bottom line? Both parties have their flaws, but know that we as Af Americans fair...and always fair a hell of alot better with the Democratic party than with Republicans. Over the past 50 - 60 years, the parties have basically switched philosophies. I admonish everybody to not fall for that rhetoric the right-wing dixie-crats like to spew about being responsible for yourself and not looking for handouts. Hell, we as black folks have ALWAYS taken care of ourselves and our own and instilled the values and ideals of hard work and education to our children. It reminds me of what Jamal Simmons said last week on Larry King. He said: "You know, it's really dissappointing. Here we have Sen. Obama, a young man who worked his way up from his humble and hard background, got an Ivy League education, worked hard and has earned all that he has, and folks are calling him "elitist." Just goes to show you that when you do what we all are told to do so that we can get our share of the "American Dream," we are persecuted and vilified....I guess he's a "uppity" nig who worked too hard and acquired too much. damned if we do, and damned if we don't! Thanks for the bottom-line, Robe.... |
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Post by 123Diva on Apr 18, 2008 13:10:37 GMT -5
<---Independent voter <---will normally (though not always) vote Democratic in a presendential election, but local elections can swing either way <---supports Senator Obama <---refuses to vote for Senator Clinton if she gets the ticket Diva, me too.... I personally like McCain. He's credible and he's a horrible politician. He's straightforward and I respect that. If Clinton wins the Dem ticket, I'm voting GOP...*shrugs* 'PUN, I don't 'want' to vote for McCain mainly because he has no exit plan out of Iraq, but you're right, he's not all that bad. Right now I'm not feeling Senator Clinton AT ALL. So if Obama is not on that ticket, it's going to be an Obama write-in or a McCain vote... Not to mention, I don't think that Clinton can beat McCain because she is too divisive of a figure. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 18, 2008 13:12:00 GMT -5
<---Independent voter <---will normally (though not always) vote Democratic in a presendential election, but local elections can swing either way <---supports Senator Obama <---refuses to vote for Senator Clinton if she gets the ticket Diva, me too.... I personally like McCain. He's credible and he's a horrible politician. He's straightforward and I respect that. If Clinton wins the Dem ticket, I'm voting GOP...*shrugs*
If Hillary wins the nomination, I may stay home, but I won't vote for McCain. |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 13:56:09 GMT -5
Diva, me too.... I personally like McCain. He's credible and he's a horrible politician. He's straightforward and I respect that. If Clinton wins the Dem ticket, I'm voting GOP...*shrugs* 'PUN, I don't 'want' to vote for McCain mainly because he has no exit plan out of Iraq, but you're right, he's not all that bad. Right now I'm not feeling Senator Clinton AT ALL. So if Obama is not on that ticket, it's going to be an Obama write-in or a McCain vote... Not to mention, I don't think that Clinton can beat McCain because she is too divisive of a figure. Can't argue with that..... |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 13:56:42 GMT -5
Diva, me too.... I personally like McCain. He's credible and he's a horrible politician. He's straightforward and I respect that. If Clinton wins the Dem ticket, I'm voting GOP...*shrugs*
If Hillary wins the nomination, I may stay home, but I won't vote for McCain.LMAO!...Can't argue with either. |
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 18, 2008 14:00:45 GMT -5
I ALWAYS thought Hillary was too divisive. People *HATE* Hillary! Especially the GOP. And in her defense, a lot of it was unfounded (until recently--lol). I liked McCain a little bit before--I liked his willingness to reach across the aisle and work with people from different parties, and the way he would break from his party to support something if he felt it was the right thing to do. But it seemed over the past couple of years, he got more and more in line with Bush and the rest of the GOP as he got closer to running for president. And as far as I'm concerned, the *BIGGEST* problem we're facing in the country right now is the economy and the housing crisis. Then you say we may be in Iraq 100 years?  No, we're not on the same page. I would probably hold my nose and vote for Hillary. |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 18, 2008 14:08:39 GMT -5
The Clinton Mob held a political gun to black people's heads and reminded them of the "favors" they performed for us...
I will NEVER cast a vote for a Clinton...EVER.
McCain is a lousy politician. My belief is that if he is indeed elected as President, he'll back track on the war...it's inevitable and it's bi-partisan. If anything, the man is bi-partisan to many issues.
The housing slump....eh...it'll work itself out once the economy gets going in a year. But I believe a Dem-elected president will help in getting the economy restored..
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Post by Robelite on Apr 18, 2008 14:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 18, 2008 15:00:21 GMT -5
...and once again it's ON!
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 18, 2008 15:08:21 GMT -5
I'm waiting for them to get to North Crack and for Edwards to endorse Obama.
If he loses by less than 10 percentage points, Hillary can give it up.
I love the way Obama brushed the bullshit off his shoulders yesterday in a rally in Penn! That's my DUDE!
youtube.com/watch?v=MZoG4jKVsig
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 18, 2008 15:44:11 GMT -5
...and then become his running mate.
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 18, 2008 15:45:27 GMT -5
Z, I'd die!
I think Edwards is soooooo handsome! Did you see on the Colbert Report?? He is such a pretty man!
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 18, 2008 15:51:45 GMT -5
He looks good as HEYELL to be the age he is. His wife has commented that she feels kind of "blah" around him, because he aged so well. That would be a fine, fine team. I am already ga-ga over Obama. Michelle better not turn her back for a MINUTE! ;D |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 18, 2008 15:54:48 GMT -5
You, me, my mama, my grandma. Everybody loves Barack! ;D
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No, we're not on the same page.