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Post by ACES on Apr 16, 2008 9:07:56 GMT -5
would someone please explain to me why bob johnson has a stick up his ass vis a vis Obama? It seems as if he has this personal beef of vedtta against the man....the latest: he agrees with Feraro's comments about Obama. Seriously, what the freak is his major malfunction?
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Post by Alc 06 on Apr 16, 2008 9:17:13 GMT -5
he's a clown
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Apr 16, 2008 9:28:19 GMT -5
Bwahahahahahahaha @ the title of this thread
But yeah...he's a hot shot mess
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Post by BKupInHere on Apr 16, 2008 9:32:31 GMT -5
and have you ever seen his children. Ashley and the son are straight up bourgeosie who probably wouldnt be caught caugfht dead watching BET themselves,let alone doing the Soulja Boy or anything else considered ghetto...but the spoils of their riches rests on the crap their parents allowed to be dished out on BET. Yeah,yeah,yeah Sheila Johnson divorced Bob Johnson years ago & has since remarried,but PLEASE remember that she is the FIRST BLACK FEMALE BILLIONAIRE!!! Oprah is the second one...
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Post by FULLOFME on Apr 16, 2008 10:08:04 GMT -5
Maybe he's jealous that Obama can join the "first black man to ....." club and with the accomplishment of President, surpass him...
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Post by Cambist on Apr 16, 2008 10:16:27 GMT -5
Bob Johnson is no better than a drug dealer. Well, id say he's a little better...maybe he's more of that pharmacist that give you extra doses of prescriptions meds even when you don't need them.
He and his children are living well off of the dope he fed to his own people. Anyone who says that life doesn't imitate art is not living in within the realm of reality.
I've heard black folk say it over and over that the "music" does not perpetuate the violence, social decline, misogyny, genocide, self-hating that exist in Black America.
I disagree.
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 11:52:34 GMT -5
Bob Johnson is no better than a drug dealer. Well, id say he's a little better...maybe he's more of that pharmacist that give you extra doses of prescriptions meds even when you don't need them. He and his children are living well off of the dope he fed to his own people. Anyone who says that life doesn't imitate art is not living in within the realm of reality. I've heard black folk say it over and over that the "music" does not perpetuate the violence, social decline, misogyny, genocide, self-hating that exist in Black America. I disagree.
How can you blame Bob Johnson for what Black people CHOOSE to listen to, participate in etc....
By your logic Cam, Its no difference that my other frat brother John Singleton with movies, Boyz in the Hood, 4 Brothers...etc...They show gang violence and drug use...does that make him Osama bin Laden? |
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 16, 2008 12:04:18 GMT -5
The difference is that John Singleton had a message in his movies. Boyz in the Hood gave a face to some real ish that cats was going through. BET is on some old glorify negative ish without balance. Example they took off all their Nightly news stuff, Teen Summit and anything positive and replaced it will smut 24/7. How the hell is College Hill indicative of real college life? Now we have youth thinking that is what college is about. Your boy is souled out. Frat or no frat you have to call a spade a spade and his comments support the fact that he will do anything for a dollar.
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 12:11:16 GMT -5
The difference is that John Singleton had a message in his movies. Boyz in the Hood gave a face to some real ish that cats was going through. BET is on some old glorify negative ish without balance. Example they took off all their Nightly news stuff, Teen Summit and anything positive and replaced it will smut 24/7. How the hell is College Hill indicative of real college life? Now we have youth thinking that is what college is about. Your boy is souled out. Frat or no frat you have to call a spade a spade and his comments support the fact that he will do anything for a dollar.
No sir! I disagree! Who DEMANDs what TV Companies put on it? We do! Its about money homey! Who said Bob is supposed to be a SOCIAL ACTIVIST? Nobody! He's an ENTREPEUNER! What about the Rap it up Ads that Bet Produces? What aboout the Charity work it does!? Yall are just trying to find a scape goat, and its not working!
If YOU would stop watching Bet, then I'm sure they would change it up, but YOU continue to watch it, and they will CONTINUE to make money...
I dont care WHAT yall say, its about GETTING MONEY, Yall sound like a bunch of ho'z talking about "He's exploiting women in videos", nicca please, they are EXPLOITING THEMSELVES, AND YALL ARE WATCHING IT! |
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Post by ACES on Apr 16, 2008 12:24:41 GMT -5
fuck BET. I'm talkin' about Johnson and this stick he has up his ass with Obama. Tell ya boy to quit bootlickin' and quit being the token house nigga in the Clinton camp! niehter are a good looks.
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 12:32:23 GMT -5
fuck BET. I'm talkin' about Johnson and this stick he has up his ass with Obama. Tell ya boy to quit bootlickin' and quit being the token house nigga in the Clinton camp! niehter are a good looks. I agree with you about the obama thing, but I was just talking about the BET thing. |
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Post by ACES on Apr 16, 2008 12:37:33 GMT -5
but...about the BET thing.....it's kinda like the whole chicken vs. the egg cliche.....was the demand always there and bootlicker Bob just filled the need? Or did his product create the demand? ie. which came first - crack or the crackhead? hmmmm....
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 12:39:05 GMT -5
but...about the BET thing.....it's kinda like the whole chicken vs. the egg cliche.....was the demand always there and bootlicker Bob just filled the need? Or did his product create the demand? ie. which came first - crack or the crackhead? hmmmm.... |
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Post by ACES on Apr 16, 2008 12:41:17 GMT -5
so what your'e saying is that he simply met the demand. He didn't create the demand, correct?
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 13:06:29 GMT -5
Yes, but as a content distributor he had the power and ability to reject that supply. Trust there are many demands in the media market, Bob didn't have to fill that need. Look at the media landscape today. Internet, umpteen cable and satellite channels and Bob chose to show the crap that he did. I know that all of that wasn't there when he started, he fought like hell to get included on cable packages across the country, and black people fought for him with petitions, phone calls, letters and the like. Now I think most wishes they could take their efforts back...And before you say just change the channel...I do, and did...
>>>>does not watch BET
>>>>does not watch MTV
>>>>gets most entertainment fixes from the internet
Bob CHOSE to continue to play "After Dark" and 30 other music shows that played the same videos over and over, and CHOSE to discontinue Teen Summit, BET Nightly News, etc. TVOne has stepped in to fill a void of nostalgic and family entertainment for black people, and there's STILL a void out there...for news, cultural enlightenment, educational, and ORIGINAL non-reality programming!
>>>>working on that right now.
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 13:16:25 GMT -5
so what your'e saying is that he simply met the demand. He didn't create the demand, correct?
He ALONG with MTV, VH1, RADIO STATIONS, UNIVERSAL, DEF JAM, Pro Athlethes, Strip Clubs, and most importanlty the PEOPLE helped to create and promote... |
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 13:20:14 GMT -5
Look there's a LOT of radio and TV stations who choose NOT to play that content. They do just fine...
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 13:22:14 GMT -5
Look there's a LOT of radio and TV stations who choose NOT to play that content. They do just fine...
But are they worth BILLIONS of dollars? No. What are you the Moral police? If you dont like it, don't watch it. Do you watch Porn Ghost? |
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 13:29:52 GMT -5
Do you even read my posts?
>>>>does not watch BET
>>>>does not watch MTV
also...your porn question is irrelevant to this conversation. It is usually found on mediums with higher thresholds of entry to kids, i.e. parental security, cost, hacking, etc. Those stations you listed are not. And yes...the alternative options are definitely worth billions of dollars...
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 13:33:02 GMT -5
Do you even read my posts? >>>>does not watch BET >>>>does not watch MTV also...your porn question is irrelevant to this conversation. It is usually found on mediums with higher thresholds of entry to kids, i.e. parental security, cost, hacking, etc. Those stations you listed are not. And yes...the alternative options are definitely worth billions of dollars... |
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 13:38:30 GMT -5
No you're not wrong, however, it takes more effort and cloak and dagger tactics to find porn on the internet than to flip past it on TV. At that point if the kids is consciously seeking it, they have an idea that they're viewing content that's taboo. It's not on basic cable included with the package marketed as content for everyone...
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Post by Nupey on Apr 16, 2008 13:43:32 GMT -5
No you're not wrong, however, it takes more effort and cloak and dagger tactics to find porn on the internet than to flip past it on TV. At that point if the kids is consciously seeking it, they have an idea that they're viewing content that's taboo. It's not on basic cable included with the package marketed as content for everyone... Since when did Jay-z video's become a crime? When did BET become Rated-M on your v-chip? |
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 13:57:43 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's a crime...I do however think that some content on the network, (or hell, it might not be on there anymore. I don't know what they air) has/had the wrong content rating.
I also think there are and were at the point that Bob still controlled the network, plenty of other outlets to distribute that content. Bob even had the choice to create an entirely different network for either music videos or the other content that he removed, but the station name is Black Entertainment Television, not Black Music Television, not Black Reality Television.
Entertainment opens up the possibility of a plethora of options. I don't even feel that he was completely wrong in repurposing some of his content, however, when your station becomes 24/7 debauchery and nonsense, you've done the people you serve a disservice.
What was accomplished by getting rid of the news, Teen Summit, BET Style, BET Tonight with Tavis/Ed Gordon, and more?
How did he diversify the entertainment aspect of the network?
The only reason i would see content that they produce is when a client wants to produce graphics, that look "similar" or produce a spoof of a show.
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Post by Southie on Apr 16, 2008 13:59:55 GMT -5
I do agree about the agrument regarding choices. Bob Johnson has made choices that he feels works to his benefit, which means not supporting Obama. Is that a bad thing? It is his choice, and his rationale may be at best questionable, but again it suits HIS best interest, not black folks.
BET'
People make choices to buy into what they feel works for them. The racy videos, the showing the bling, etc. you can not say that folks do not know what is right and wrong. Its about choices.
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 16, 2008 14:00:06 GMT -5
Nupey I think you are missing a point. I said all that to show he has a pattern of not being cognizant or just not caring about how he makes a buck so long as he makes dough. That to me is a problem. The Obama thing just confirmed what I thought before. Biggups to him for making it but at the same time his creation has a negative effect on his own people.
Oh yeah you never answered my PM yesterday dude. LOL
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Post by Southie on Apr 16, 2008 14:05:55 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's a crime...I do however think that some content on the network, (or hell, it might not be on there anymore. I don't know what they air) has/had the wrong content rating. I also think there are and were at the point that Bob still controlled the network, plenty of other outlets to distribute that content. Bob even had the choice to create an entirely different network for either music videos or the other content that he removed, but the station name is Black Entertainment Television, not Black Music Television, not Black Reality Television. Entertainment opens up the possibility of a plethora of options. I don't even feel that he was completely wrong in repurposing some of his content, however, when your station becomes 24/7 debauchery and nonsense, you've done the people you serve a disservice. What was accomplished by getting rid of the news, Teen Summit, BET Style, BET Tonight with Tavis/Ed Gordon, and more? How did he diversify the entertainment aspect of the network? The only reason i would see content that they produce is when a client wants to produce graphics, that look "similar" or produce a spoof of a show. Lets not think that I am a pro Bob Johnson but how were the ratings of Teen Summit, BET News, compared to the racy videos? If the ratings were not there, then the money was not there, the advertisers are not there, so it comes down to "Where's the money"? At what cost? We can see at what cost. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 14:15:55 GMT -5
Lets not think that I am a pro Bob Johnson but how were the ratings of Teen Summit, BET News, compared to the racy videos? If the ratings were not there, then the money was not there, the advertisers are not there, so it comes down to "Where's the money"? At what cost? We can see at what cost. TVOne is gaining on BET's market share. BET is only leading because it has more market penetration and it's been around longer, but BET's ratings all around are dropping, advertisers are jumping ship and cable and satellite distributors are wanting to decrease their affiliate fees. BET is a sinking ship. Bob was smart to sell it. The bottom line is that the bottom line for BET's "racy programming" is drooping and there are plenty of networks who've jumped to fill the void, CW, TBS, etc. It's just a shame that they've marginalized the audience as well and won't devote the money to develop a more "complete" network to meet needs.. |
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Post by Southie on Apr 16, 2008 14:23:40 GMT -5
That might be true for now, however back when more quality programming was up against the racy videos, the ratings told the story. Now, its saturated, MTV and VH1 have stepped up their game on poor programming.
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Post by Gee-Are on Apr 16, 2008 14:28:15 GMT -5
What holds true for now, could most readily hold true for back then, how long did Bob have to produce a girlfriends, Tyler Perry's house of Payne, sister sister, one on one, Martin, African-American lives, Wlid 'N Out, movie reruns, the list goes on...
how about 30 years?
That is programming that has worked commercially, not necessarily the BEST (house of payne, girlfriends) critically, but again he had a choice. I'm sure he heard pitches in the 25 years that he was at the helm to provide content like this. He chose not to do it.
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Post by Southie on Apr 16, 2008 14:30:59 GMT -5
I have stated that he made choices, many of which based on how much money he could very quickly.
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