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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 9:18:19 GMT -5
If you can access CNN.com, go there. He is scheduled to speak on race in about 5 minutes.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 9:50:35 GMT -5
Anybody watching??
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Post by Nupey on Mar 18, 2008 9:51:13 GMT -5
Where is the ACTUAL speach? Is it the interview with Anderson Cooper?
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 10:05:11 GMT -5
Where is the ACTUAL speach? Is it the interview with Anderson Cooper? It is playing live on CNN now. He is doing great!! |
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Post by Gee-Are on Mar 18, 2008 10:32:04 GMT -5
As expected...He did well. Way to challenge America and Americans Barack.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 10:58:35 GMT -5
As expected...He did well. Way to challenge America and Americans Barack. He absolutely nailed it! I appreciated the fact that he didn't completely make his pastor out to be a monster. He disagreed with his statements, but then put the statements into context. I really loved how he wrapped it up, he challenged America to move past the distractions and move toward real solutions. Anyone who missed the speech must watch it! I am sure it will be on Youtube shortly. I hope I am not being overly optimistic but I think this may well be the beginning of a new surge of support for Obama. The speech was that good. He addressed white anger as well as black anger. |
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Post by lpitd16 on Mar 18, 2008 10:59:54 GMT -5
Excellent!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 18, 2008 11:09:06 GMT -5
As expected...He did well. Way to challenge America and Americans Barack. He absolutely nailed it! I appreciated the fact that he didn't completely make his pastor out to be a monster. He disagreed with his statements, but then put the statements into context. I really loved how he wrapped it up, he challenged America to move past the distractions and move toward real solutions. Anyone who missed the speech must watch it! I am sure it will be on Youtube shortly. I hope I am not being overly optimistic but I think this may well be the beginning of a new surge of support for Obama. The speech was that good. He addressed white anger as well as black anger. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Mar 18, 2008 11:20:27 GMT -5
Barack nailed it alright. He just nailed the coffin to his campaign. I applaud him though because he unlike most negroes these days he STOOD UP for his man his champion. But you can stick a fork in him now. Those superdelegates not gonna touch him. I predict a landslide victory in Pa for Billary. John Mccain will be our next president folks and the smear campaign of Billary Clinton is the cause of it.
The radio stooges who are republicans will now point out he disagrees with his Pastor but won't condemn him and he also hasn't publically condemend Farrakhan either who made it public that he is fond of the brother.
So yeah just like the typical white hoe screaming rape this heffa got the innocent niggah arrested knowing she WAS really sucking Dick on her own accord.
<<Moving to Ghana or Benin
<<Will send post cards to you niggahs
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 11:27:43 GMT -5
Barack nailed it alright. He just nailed the coffin to his campaign. I applaud him though because he unlike most negroes these days he STOOD UP for his man his champion. But you can stick a fork in him now. Those superdelegates not gonna touch him. I predict a landslide victory in Pa for Billary. John Mccain will be our next president folks and the smear campaign of Billary Clinton is the cause of it. The radio stooges who are republicans will now point out he disagrees with his Pastor but won't condemn him and he also hasn't publically condemend Farrakhan either who made it public that he is fond of the brother. So yeah just like the typical white hoe screaming rape this heffa got the innocent niggah arrested knowing she WAS really sucking Dick on her own accord. <<Moving to Ghana or Benin <<Will send post cards to you niggahs I disagree. Did you hear the speech? If he got up there and condemned his pastor it would ring false. He has been a member of this mans church for 20 years, Pastor Wright married him and his wife, baptized his kids and most importantly, Pastor Wright is the man who introduced hiim to Christ. Listen to the speech. What he said was, and I am paraphrasing; I can no more distance myself from my Pastor than I can from my white grandmother who raised me, sacrificed for me, and loved me more than anything, but has also made negative remarks on more than one occasion about black men. He brought the issue full circle, and his background is such that he has a unique perspective on race relations because he has both black and white members in his family. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Mar 18, 2008 11:46:02 GMT -5
Funny...Fox News is saying nothing about the speech.
I guess it was good.
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Post by water on Mar 18, 2008 11:46:57 GMT -5
20 years you think you would know a man ........liar liar your pants are on fire......now if he dont win the nomination he got to switch churches....You know the game
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Mar 18, 2008 11:50:57 GMT -5
Barack nailed it alright. He just nailed the coffin to his campaign. I applaud him though because he unlike most negroes these days he STOOD UP for his man his champion. But you can stick a fork in him now. Those superdelegates not gonna touch him. I predict a landslide victory in Pa for Billary. John Mccain will be our next president folks and the smear campaign of Billary Clinton is the cause of it. The radio stooges who are republicans will now point out he disagrees with his Pastor but won't condemn him and he also hasn't publically condemend Farrakhan either who made it public that he is fond of the brother. So yeah just like the typical white hoe screaming rape this heffa got the innocent niggah arrested knowing she WAS really sucking Dick on her own accord. <<Moving to Ghana or Benin <<Will send post cards to you niggahs I disagree. Did you hear the speech? If he got up there and condemned his pastor it would ring false. He has been a member of this mans church for 20 years, Pastor Wright married him and his wife, baptized his kids and most importantly, Pastor Wright is the man who introduced hiim to Christ. Listen to the speech. What he said was, and I am paraphrasing; I can no more distance myself from my Pastor than I can from my white grandmother who raised me, sacrificed for me, and loved me more than anything, but has also made negative remarks on more than one occasion about black men. He brought the issue full circle, and his background is such that he has a unique perspective on race relations because he has both black and white members in his family. You negroes dont get it do you? I didn't listen to the speech I read it. Yes the speech was beautiful and he nailed it BUT white folks who are the main voters in this county wanted condemnation period. He didnt do that and it will show in the polls. Hillary has put Obama in a box that he didnt want to be in. A candidate who is looking at everything from a race perspective. This is Al Sharpton type shit and it is something that Barack didnt want to do but he had to do. His speech and what he said let me know he too knows that his campaign is done. John Mccain will be the next president and you maam need to get a clue and catch up. |
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Post by EXcalibur Augie on Mar 18, 2008 12:04:51 GMT -5
think he was dead on. Its time we look at this really, acknowledge that it has roots in this country and we're never going to fix it by bashing ANYONE that brings it up, no matter whether we agree or not. If we are to move forward its time we dealt with the race issue head on, the views on either side are fundamentally flawed, but still true if you're walking in that man's shoes. But he points out clearly it doesn't give anyone a right to race to judge or act on it based on that man's experience in America. He's right, he's just right growing up Black in America is a very different experience than growing up white for MOST but we ALL have problems now, the economy, justice system, schools, health care, global warning, terrorism are EVERYBODY issues not just white or black so if we can't come together than we will never be able to fix all this
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 18, 2008 12:13:51 GMT -5
I'm really not trying to burst anyone balloon - I want to stay optimisitic... but this is exactly the campaign he DIDN'T want to have to run. He cannot win as the "black" candidate. He knows it, I know it, most of us know it, and so do his competition. This was a necessary step on his part, but a pyrrhic one also. He may have briefly staved off negative headlines, but he has done so at the cost of having to make race an issue (even while he's trying to take the emphasis off of it).
The fact that his mother is white is virtually meaningless - he appears Black, therefore he is black, and with that comes all the societal baggage that we ALL carry. He is simply fortunate that this wasn't brought up sooner. He is going to have to be really strategic in the next few days to avoid any major bumps in the road and find a a way to navigate the race issue, as he did before, wherein he addresses the issue without becoming the issue - and it's a difficult if not improbable quest to undertake.
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Post by EXcalibur Augie on Mar 18, 2008 12:21:53 GMT -5
I'm really not trying to burst anyone balloon - I want to stay optimisitic... but this is exactly the campaign he DIDN'T want to have to run. He cannot win as the "black" candidate. He knows it, I know it, most of us know it, and so do his competition. This was a necessary step on his part, but a pyrrhic one also. He may have briefly staved off negative headlines, but he has done so at the cost of having to make race an issue (even while he's trying to take the emphasis off of it).
The fact that his mother is white is virtually meaningless - he appears Black, therefore he is black, and with that comes all the societal baggage that we ALL carry. He is simply fortunate that this wasn't brought up sooner. He is going to have to be really strategic in the next few days to avoid any major bumps in the road and find a a way to navigate the race issue, as he did before, wherein he addresses the issue without becoming the issue - and it's a difficult if not improbable quest to undertake. You don't think he did that adequately in the speech. I thought the acknowledgement of arguements then showing commonality was a good way to clench everyone back to where he wanted them. |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 12:29:46 GMT -5
I'm really not trying to burst anyone balloon - I want to stay optimisitic... but this is exactly the campaign he DIDN'T want to have to run. He cannot win as the "black" candidate. He knows it, I know it, most of us know it, and so do his competition. This was a necessary step on his part, but a pyrrhic one also. He may have briefly staved off negative headlines, but he has done so at the cost of having to make race an issue (even while he's trying to take the emphasis off of it).
The fact that his mother is white is virtually meaningless - he appears Black, therefore he is black, and with that comes all the societal baggage that we ALL carry. He is simply fortunate that this wasn't brought up sooner. He is going to have to be really strategic in the next few days to avoid any major bumps in the road and find a a way to navigate the race issue, as he did before, wherein he addresses the issue without becoming the issue - and it's a difficult if not improbable quest to undertake. You don't think he did that adequately in the speech. I thought the acknowledgement of arguements then showing commonality was a good way to clench everyone back to where he wanted them. I agree. He not only spoke of black anger, but he also acknowledged white anger. At the end he really brought it home though, by saying that we should not get caught up in the distractions. Damie, listen to the speech and then tell me what you think. I think he effectively turned it away from race as a divisive issue. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 18, 2008 12:30:23 GMT -5
I'm really not trying to burst anyone balloon - I want to stay optimisitic... but this is exactly the campaign he DIDN'T want to have to run. He cannot win as the "black" candidate. He knows it, I know it, most of us know it, and so do his competition. This was a necessary step on his part, but a pyrrhic one also. He may have briefly staved off negative headlines, but he has done so at the cost of having to make race an issue (even while he's trying to take the emphasis off of it).
The fact that his mother is white is virtually meaningless - he appears Black, therefore he is black, and with that comes all the societal baggage that we ALL carry. He is simply fortunate that this wasn't brought up sooner. He is going to have to be really strategic in the next few days to avoid any major bumps in the road and find a a way to navigate the race issue, as he did before, wherein he addresses the issue without becoming the issue - and it's a difficult if not improbable quest to undertake. You don't think he did that adequately in the speech. I thought the acknowledgement of arguements then showing commonality was a good way to clench everyone back to where he wanted them.
I'm not just taking into account what Obama's saying, I'm also taking into account people's ability to actually think and see reason. It's not that Obama doesn't have a good argument or that he didn't make it, it's whether or not it was received by a dumbed-down audience that doesn't have time for speeches and that takes it programming in soundbytes and commentary from pundits. It is not Obama that I'm worried about - it's the cover that's been given to allow bigots not to feel so bad about being bigots.
So if I'm betting on which attritbute prevails in a head to head contest between bigotry and reason - I go with historical precedence and say bigotry will prevail - because when people don't think - it always does.
This is one time I would be happy to eat my words and be absolutely wrong. I don't think it's impossible, just improbable |
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Post by Gee-Are on Mar 18, 2008 12:33:02 GMT -5
You tryna Damietize me man?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 18, 2008 12:34:52 GMT -5
You don't think he did that adequately in the speech. I thought the acknowledgement of arguements then showing commonality was a good way to clench everyone back to where he wanted them. I agree. He not only spoke of black anger, but he also acknowledged white anger. At the end he really brought it home though, by saying that we should not get caught up in the distractions. Damie, listen to the speech and then tell me what you think. I think he effectively turned it away from race as a divisive issue.
...illegitmate though we say it is - it only needed to be injected as an issue. And now that it's in... don't expect it to go away. Still Barack and his team has been fairly intelligent and ingenious in how they've run this campaign. Maybe they can find a way to snare the other candidates in this issue. It's not beyond reason. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Mar 18, 2008 12:47:44 GMT -5
Yeah it was good, but this is NOT the conversation he wants to have now. This is the conversation he wanted to have at the END of November...
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Mar 18, 2008 12:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Mar 18, 2008 15:05:12 GMT -5
Folks don't get it. They want him to do what Jesse Jackson did to the FOI who was his security during his campiagn. White folks want you to totally step away and reject your own. Obama didn't do that and I applaud him. He will not be the President of the United States though. Him mentioning his grandmother did more damage because it shows that he too has some anger and resentment of the treatment of blakc people in this country.
See listen.... One of the reasons that white people loved Barack was because he was mixed but also his ancestors were never SLAVES. They thought hey we have a black man that will rise up above that terrible time and we can be one blah blah blah.
But what did this strong black man do? He mentioned his wife's ancestors who WERE slaves. He showed these crackers that YES I feel the pain of ancestors who were slaves here. Now he is just another nigger and NO black man whose ancestors were slaves or who identifies with slavery will EVER lead this country.
That being said. I'm happy the brother stood up for himself. You have just witessed his concession speech.
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Post by Robelite on Mar 19, 2008 13:47:17 GMT -5
As I stated on another thread....his speech was SUPERB! I saw and heard it from beginning to end. Will it change anything...unlikely, but it won't be any worse or any better. Those who WERE NOT going to vote for him, STILL are not going to vote for him regardless. They will make the claim, "he shoulda left that church." Had he done that, they would then reply "he should have left a long time ago. " In other words, he's damned if he did, and more damned if he didn't.
One thing that is very positive about it...all of the analysts (liberals, conservatives, moderates,) hell, even Bay Buchannan acknowledge it as being great. David Gergan described it as the most profound speech he's heard from ANY politician on such a sensitive issue in a campaign in history!
If it does have any effect, I predict it will BACKFIRE on those who wanted to use the issue of his pastor as a means to somehow judge how he will handle issues of domestic and foreign policy. It may not help him, but I certainly don't think it's going to hurt, and his campaign is most suredly NOT DONE!
Even the white 60-plus year old minister from Columbus, OH (Rev. Wallis) agreed that EVERYONE needs to sit down with their children and LISTEN to Obama in that address. He said that he intends to do it with his children and grandchildren.
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