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Post by Mrs. Eyes on May 31, 2008 19:55:03 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scrambleBy NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 29 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Democratic Party officials agreed Saturday to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes, ruling on a long-running dispute that has threatened the party's chances in November and maintaining Barack Obama's front-runner status as he moves closer to the nomination. ADVERTISEMENT The decision was a blow to Hillary Rodham Clinton as she was on the verge of watching Obama make history as the first black Democratic presidential nominee. It prompted an irate reaction from boisterous Clinton supporters in the audience and her chief delegate counter, Harold Ickes. The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days. The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. "How can you call yourselves Democrats if you don't count the vote?" one man in the audience shouted before being escorted out by security. "This is not the Democratic Party!" The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot. Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida. Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5. (Click the above link to view the whole article.)
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Post by Champs Elysees on May 31, 2008 20:07:10 GMT -5
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080531/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scrambleBy NEDRA PICKLER and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 29 minutes ago WASHINGTON - Democratic Party officials agreed Saturday to seat Michigan and Florida delegates with half-votes, ruling on a long-running dispute that has threatened the party's chances in November and maintaining Barack Obama's front-runner status as he moves closer to the nomination. ADVERTISEMENT The decision was a blow to Hillary Rodham Clinton as she was on the verge of watching Obama make history as the first black Democratic presidential nominee. It prompted an irate reaction from boisterous Clinton supporters in the audience and her chief delegate counter, Harold Ickes. The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days. The deal was reached after committee members met privately for more than three hours, trying to hammer out a deal, and announced in a raucous hearing that reflected deep divisions within the party. "How can you call yourselves Democrats if you don't count the vote?" one man in the audience shouted before being escorted out by security. "This is not the Democratic Party!" The sticking point was Michigan, where Obama's name was not on the ballot. Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.Obama's total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5. (Click the above link to view the whole article.)  |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on May 31, 2008 20:10:14 GMT -5
Esoecially seeing that he need only 66 to win it ALL!
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Post by Worthy Most Ancient Matron on May 31, 2008 20:19:32 GMT -5
I will be so glad when this is over. But I believe that Heffer Hillary is going to take this fight all the way to Denver
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Post by Southie on Jun 2, 2008 7:24:46 GMT -5
I have not read nor heard any comments from the Obama camp...if you have any please post them. In regards to Hillary, well they are angry that Obama received any delegates since his name was not on the ballot in Michigan. The Hillary camp is still stating that they have the popular vote, and therefore the Delegates should take a look very carefully at the last eight primaries. Did Obama win them? Hillary is also attempting to reach the general population by stating that she is the one leading in the popular vote, even though its the delegates that make the decision, the "people" have spokened.
To me the Dems are still divided and are really making a good case for McCann.
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Post by Highly Favored on Jun 2, 2008 8:27:26 GMT -5
"To me the Dems are still divided and are really making a good case for McCann."
This really concerns me.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jun 2, 2008 11:54:11 GMT -5
I have not read nor heard any comments from the Obama camp...if you have any please post them. In regards to Hillary, well they are angry that Obama received any delegates since his name was not on the ballot in Michigan. The Hillary camp is still stating that they have the popular vote, and therefore the Delegates should take a look very carefully at the last eight primaries. Did Obama win them? Hillary is also attempting to reach the general population by stating that she is the one leading in the popular vote, even though its the delegates that make the decision, the "people" have spokened. To me the Dems are still divided and are really making a good case for McCann. S0mehow I think what the Obama camp is saying is not fit for TV. I am sure they are nowhere near as civilized behind closed doors as they appear when they are on camera. I am frankly surprised that they are not more forcefully pointing out Hillary's hypocrisies. She didn't care if Michigan and Florida's votes didnt count, until she needed them. Now she is using some kind of math mixed with wizardry to calculate that she has more popular votes. She counts Puerto Rico, even though they can't vote in the general election, but she leaves out the caucus states. She is trying to portray Obama's win as illegitimate. |
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Post by Southie on Jun 2, 2008 11:57:51 GMT -5
...Well Obama has not won anything as of yet, however its very clear that she is trying very hard to discredit him. I am waiting for the rules to change again, removing the Superdelegates and going on just the popular vote.
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jun 2, 2008 12:06:57 GMT -5
...Well Obama has not won anything as of yet, however its very clear that she is trying very hard to discredit him. I am waiting for the rules to change again, removing the Superdelegates and going on just the popular vote. I have been a little nervous too. I just don't think the democratic party will cheat him though. Hillary does have the older white women and racists support, but Obama has the independents and the youth vote. The future of the party depends on the youth vote, they dare not piss those folks off. |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jun 2, 2008 12:09:17 GMT -5
Hasn't she invested 32 Mill of her own money??  She's invested too far, so she will stop at nothing. |
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Post by Southie on Jun 2, 2008 12:29:04 GMT -5
...Well Obama has not won anything as of yet, however its very clear that she is trying very hard to discredit him. I am waiting for the rules to change again, removing the Superdelegates and going on just the popular vote. I have been a little nervous too. I just don't think the democratic party will cheat him though. Hillary does have the older white women and racists support, but Obama has the independents and the youth vote. The future of the party depends on the youth vote, they dare not piss those folks off. Point takened. |
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Post by Cambist on Jun 2, 2008 13:05:21 GMT -5
Those states HAD to be punished. They played puzzy and got fucked. I was for them losing all of their delegates. Let the voters of Florida and Michigan take out their anger on the Democratic Part officials of their respective states. They are the ones who made the decision.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Jun 2, 2008 13:08:38 GMT -5
EGGGGG-ZACTLY!!!!!! The effed up thing though is that the very people who were responsible for those states losing their delegates then turned around and tried to point the finger at the DNC and the Obama camp. Those states HAD to be punished. They played puzzy and got fucked. I was for them losing all of their delegates. Let the voters of Florida and Michigan take out their anger on the Democratic Part officials of their respective states. They are the ones who made the decision. |
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Jun 2, 2008 16:07:34 GMT -5
Those states HAD to be punished. They played puzzy and got fucked. I was for them losing all of their delegates. Let the voters of Florida and Michigan take out their anger on the Democratic Part officials of their respective states. They are the ones who made the decision. I watched the meeting on Saturday and after hearing more about why Florida voted to move the primary, I don't think they should have been punished at all. They have a majority republican legislature. They wanted to move the primary. They also included some voter reform legislation in the same bill. The democrats voted to pass it mostly because of the voter reform legislation that they had been fighting for since the 2000 debacle. I don't think the DNC should have penalized them at all. |
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Post by Alc 06 on Jun 2, 2008 16:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by Southie on Jun 2, 2008 19:34:07 GMT -5
NOPE! Will fight until their is nothing left to fight for! Their is still a glimmer of hope! I keep telling people, that she refuses to give up. |
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