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Post by jay0heavenly on May 22, 2008 18:27:59 GMT -5
@ Bulls3y3... although there is only one God, there is certainly the biblical teaching that everybody that says they worship God in fact are not. Jesus called the Jews at the time "Children of the devil"!.
So I would say that although Christianity, Islam and Judaism are monotheistic religions, they definitely don't worship the same God. Because "they that worship, MUST worship in spirit and in truth." John 4.
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Post by water on May 23, 2008 9:04:08 GMT -5
The only muslims and jews that worship the same God as the Followers of Yahshua are the muslim and jews who accept Yahshua as the Son of the Living God Yahweh according to the Gospels. But those who reject salvation through the blood of the Lamb are not in relationship with the One True God who through and By the Heavens and the earth were created Yahshua/Jesus
Colosians 1
12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
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Post by bulls3y3 on May 23, 2008 9:25:34 GMT -5
Hmmmm...
So please enlighten me on how these believers of the Islamic and Jewish faiths were able to sway from the correct path.
I think I heard once that it was somewhere with the sons of Abraham?
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Post by water on May 23, 2008 9:40:21 GMT -5
The path Starts with Yahshua The Way but you know that ........He is the stumbling block for all those who want access to the Father and want it with out Yahshua the only begotten Son ...simple this is not calculus it spiritual and thats why the carnal mind will stay in the flesh where logic and reason reigns .....
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Post by bulls3y3 on May 23, 2008 9:49:28 GMT -5
i was looking for a more historical moment in the old testament...
like Genesis 49:7-8?
7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; And their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, And scatter them in Israel.
8 Judah, thee shall thy brethren praise: Thy hand shall be on the neck of thine enemies; Thy father's sons shall bow down before thee.
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Post by water on May 23, 2008 10:24:30 GMT -5
10The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Same thang different twist Shiloh has come and all prodigal sons are coming home to Father
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Post by denounced on May 31, 2008 14:35:24 GMT -5
WOW! I am proud we are keeping this conversation very intellectual(yes, even you too nupey). I honestly don't know anything about Islam or the Jewish faith, but I feel there are many keys differences(according to what I have read in this post). Butanywayz, I just wanted to step in and say that the Bible had never talked about different religions. It talks about having fear of the Lord and having a relationship with him. This is the key to our salvation as sinners. ...the bible does talk about Idolatry; but don't Muslims and Jews worship the same God as Christians? As long as we keep God first, what is the dispute? BI3 Other religions are discussed in the Bible, just not named. For example, the worship of Dagon, or the worship of the sun god in Ezekiel 8. The dispute is that we do not worship the same God. The jews worship of Jehovah, excludes Jesus. If you have not the Son, you do not have the Father either. Muslims definitely do not worship the same God and only a fake Muslim would say that we do. Only an uninformed Christian would equate Allah and Jehovah. I can easily see the error with the Jews. The Jews failure to realize the SOLE Deity of Christ means that they worship another god, which is clear in, II John 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: and I John 4 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Peace, Truth, and Love, Minister Fred Hatchett |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 31, 2008 18:36:33 GMT -5
i was looking for a more historical moment in the old testament... like Genesis 49:7-8? 7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; And their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, And scatter them in Israel. 8 Judah, thee shall thy brethren praise: Thy hand shall be on the neck of thine enemies; Thy father's sons shall bow down before thee. Sounds to me Gabriel's plan worked. Every religion talks bad about the other. LOL... Coinky Dink? I think not. |
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Post by denounced on Jun 1, 2008 5:44:55 GMT -5
Julian McClain's comment fell on listening ears, but unwilling hearts. 2008- Minister Fred Hatchett
Gabriel's creator asid that He was the only way, so by saying that your way is not is good not bad. Isaiah 5:20
20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 1, 2008 13:11:27 GMT -5
Julian McClain's comment fell on listening ears, but unwilling hearts. 2008- Minister Fred Hatchett Gabriel's creator asid that He was the only way, so by saying that your way is not is good not bad. Isaiah 5:20 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! It's Julius McClain you lukewarm simpleton |
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Post by denounced on Jun 5, 2008 5:28:52 GMT -5
I can't be luke concerning the frat. I am cold as ice when it comes to that. I could go back and change my, even though it has 2 mistakes.
Now answer the substance of the post sir. Do thy duty that is best, leave unto (your) the Lord, the rest. That's how they should quote it for you, right vodou!!!!!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 7, 2008 3:16:16 GMT -5
I can't be luke concerning the frat. I am cold as ice when it comes to that. I could go back and change my, even though it has 2 mistakes. Now answer the substance of the post sir. Do thy duty that is best, leave unto (your) the Lord, the rest. That's how they should quote it for you, right vodou!!!!! Listen simp. I'd smoke you on your bible. I probably know it better than you. Remember you lawd told you to watch out for me. Lucifer. The light bearer for heath knows the word better than man... LOL. You're just in the right time at the right place. If you would've came to my yard with this chit you spewing, I would've annihilated you just the same as I did Muslims, Masons, Christians, and whoever else wanted to pop chit. I'd take you so deep in your bybull get you lost in it then totally smoke you when it comes to my frat. Tell you what.... Let me know when you come to the MD/DC/VA area so I can attend and embarrass you. Your angle is paper thin. I will embarrass you soundly in a mere 20 mins. Step up or shut up. Bring your preacher buddy to who likes to loop hip hop records backwards calling it the devil while at the same time this Negro using a laptop in the bullshit...ooppss I meant the pulpit. Yall hypocritical toms kill me. |
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Post by denounced on Jun 9, 2008 19:55:10 GMT -5
You can proceed right here and now, by the way, if you were really serious, you already would have, but you are scared you will get chumped by the preponderance of evidence. You let an Alpha punk you on your own frat knowledge using the lame excuse that the picture was doctored. Let me know when you figure out who the real toms are in Uncle Tom's Cabin. If you knew the Bible, you would also know that Lucifer does not exist in the Hebrew translations. You pledged at Morgan right. Pi Chapter....I have been to the MD/DC/VA four times since you pledged. Do you know Lovey from KE chapter? He may have been gone by the time you were made, but I was on your single letter chapter yard. Let's just say, I walked straight to your plot and stood on it, and stayed on it, because no one could out challenge me. Oh you better come with facts, not oral tradition. You will find that you agree with me on almost everything. Oh, and water will be up your way. As a matter of fact, why did you miss the BPOG at Hampton? What will you do when you get circled up in Jesus' Love and the lights come on?  |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jun 9, 2008 20:36:59 GMT -5
Ut oh.... <---packs up the piani and heads for the hills  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 9, 2008 21:10:07 GMT -5
You can proceed right here and now, by the way, if you were really serious, you already would have, but you are scared you will get chumped by the preponderance of evidence. You let an Alpha punk you on your own frat knowledge using the lame excuse that the picture was doctored. Let me know when you figure out who the real toms are in Uncle Tom's Cabin. If you knew the Bible, you would also know that Lucifer does not exist in the Hebrew translations. You pledged at Morgan right. Pi Chapter....I have been to the MD/DC/VA four times since you pledged. Do you know Lovey from KE chapter? He may have been gone by the time you were made, but I was on your single letter chapter yard. Let's just say, I walked straight to your plot and stood on it, and stayed on it, because no one could out challenge me. Oh you better come with facts, not oral tradition. You will find that you agree with me on almost everything. Oh, and water will be up your way. As a matter of fact, why did you miss the BPOG at Hampton? What will you do when you get circled up in Jesus' Love and the lights come on? So you DO follow me from site to site. It took you 4 days to get up the nerve and doing alittle research to type your little tirade? Stop riding my coat tails chump you couldn't carry my boots. Furthermore fake pictures of Just being in his early 40's on a pic that was supposedly to be taken in 1911 when he was 28 is lame, hearsay and no punking going on at all. A young Just  Picture used in SIgma Pi Phi Photo.. with Just in his early 40's  I have the roll of Sigma Pi Phi from 1/27/11 to the present...find his name? #5 EPSILON- WASHINGTON, DC(1/27/11)
Rudolph O. Aggrey, Clifford L. Alexander, Jr., Carl Edwin Anderson, John David Attaway, Larry Bailey, William A. Banner, Jesse Belmont Barber, Jr, Michael E. Batipps, Nathan Dwight Baxter, (Mrs) James B. Bayton, Eugene Macke Bentley III, Milton Desmond Bernard, Herman R. Branson, Herman Edward Branson, (Mrs) Wiley Austin Branton, Edward W. Brice Andrew F. Brimmer, (Mrs) Osmond H. Brown, Jr., Ronald H. Brown, Wesley A. Brown, Andrew Daniel Bryant, William B. Bryant, John A. Buggs, Charles E. Burbridge, Luther Carl Burnett, Broadus N. Butler, Clive Orville Callender, Alphonso A. Christian, Esq., James Menard Christian, Esq., Charles Howell Clark, John F. Clark, Warfield C. Clark, Vincent H. Cohen, Charles Lorenza Curry, George Albert Dalley, Esq. Ernest Harold Davenport, CPA, Arthur P. Davis, Philip Joseph Davis, Steve Galberth Davis, Horace G. Dawson, Jr., Gary Creed Dennis, Charles T. Duncan, David T. Duncan, Harry Thomas Edwards, RK. Fox, Jr., H. Minton Francis, Hardy R. Franklin, (Mrs) Samuel Lucius Gandy, William Gordon, (Mrs) Francis A. Gregory, Fredrick D. Gregory, (Mrs) Henry C. Gregory, III, (Mrs) Norman HC. Griffiths, George W. Haley, Esq., Elliott Sawyer Hall, Steven A. Hamilton, Esq., Joseph E. Harris, Lester Harris, Clinton J. Hoggard, Eric H. Holder, Jr., Esq., (Mrs) M. Carl Holman, John H. Hope, (Mrs) John Hope, III, Norman William Jarvis, Howard Jenkins, Jr., George W. Jones, Lawrence Neale Jones, William B. Jones, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., James Alfred Joseph, Henry Harold Kennedy, Jr., John Andrew Kenney, Jr., John Andrew Kenny, Jr., (Mrs) John W. Lawlah, Warner Lawson, Jr., Esq., William W. Lawson, Jr., Bertram M. Lee, LaSalle D. Leffall, Jr., Walter J. Leonard, Delano Lewis, C. Payne Lucas, Myles V. Lunk, III, Esq., Albert E. Manley, Jeanus Burrell Parks, Jr., Edward J. Perkins, (Mrs) Rufus P. Perry, (Mrs) J. Rupert Picott, Harold Thomas Pinkett, Joseph A. Quash, Franklin D. Raines, Linwood Lee Rayford, Jr., Joseph Paul Reason, Vincent Emory Reed, Aubrey E. Robinson, Carl T. Rowan, Frank Lee Shuford, Jr., Robert L. Simmons, Joseph Jacob Simmons, III, Rodney Earl Slater, Esq., Franklin L. Smith, Frank M. Snowden, Frank Anthony Spellman, Warren James Strudwick, Sr., Louis Wade Sullivan, Edward C. Sylvester, Jr., (Mrs) Alfred E. Thomas, William S. Thompson, Preston Valien, (Mrs) John Thomas Walker, Eric Tyson Washington, Robert B. Washington, Jr., Walter Edward Washington, Esq., Anthony E. Watkins, George Weaver, Paul R. Webber, III, Paul R. Webber, IV, (Mrs) Charles H. Wesley, (Mrs) William Whitehead, Robert S. Wilkinson, Jr., Eddie N. Williams, James T. Williams, Wesley Samuel Williams, Jr., Esq., Thomas Samuel Williamson, George Henry Windsor, Esq., Michael R. Winston, Irving J. Winters, Jr., (Mrs) Stanton L. Wormley, James Worden Yancey
Oh that's right I forgot they excommunicated him even though he had just won the Spingarn Medal... Negro please on that hearsay BS...LOL See when you attempt to get fly you get exposed.... How you gonna say you stood and stayed anywhere when you use a person who got DESTROYED and his Nalia Snatched... I know you were hoping and praying I didn't know about that didn't ya? LOL. Sucks to be you guy. You don't know chit. Your stories change every week and you continue to grasp at straws. I have been to your site and everything you say is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy off base. You're still trying to find yourself. Like I said I'd smoke you either way you wanna carry it. We can talk about BGLO's or we can talk about Matthew 22:17-21. Which way you wanna slide it? Oh and lucifer isn't in hebrew nor greek as the new testament was written in. It was a used term borrowed from Latin during the King James version which you use. That being said:
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"The Book of Isaiah (Hebrew: Sefer Y'sha'yah ספר ישעיה) is one of the books of Judaism's Hebrew Bible and the Christian Old Testament, traditionally attributed to Isaiah, an 8th century BC Judean prophet"- OOOPSSS! You're to easy... Go brush up on your Bybull buddy. Believe me you're not ready If I'm such a this and that why do you continue to lift my words and apply to yourself? Just stop it dude. Go concentrate on being a good father or something. It is obvious I'd embrass you now bow gump and pay me tribute money as your lord and savior said you can do to Julius Ceasar. LOL |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jun 9, 2008 21:31:01 GMT -5
*raises hand* Um...I dont MEEEEAN to interject but um...er...uh....can yall stop using legal words ALL wrong and out of context?! LOL Preponderance of the evidence? Hearsay? Um.... LOL yea fellas.. *carry on* Oh VP...Um......aint nobody bowing to you sucka and stop being disrespectful of MY faith... Dont make me....  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 9, 2008 21:39:12 GMT -5
*raises hand* Um...I dont MEEEEAN to interject but um...er...uh....can yall stop using legal words ALL wrong and out of context?! LOL Preponderance of the evidence? Hearsay? Um.... LOL yea fellas.. *carry on* Oh VP...Um......aint nobody bowing to you sucka and stop being disrespectful of MY faith... Dont make me.... Noun hearsay (uncountable) 1. information that was heard by one person about another Thank you and good night  |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jun 9, 2008 22:19:24 GMT -5
Uh.... hearsay is an out of court statement made in court by someone other than the declarant to prove the truth of the matter asserted. Loser!  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 9, 2008 22:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by THE emPRISS on Jun 9, 2008 23:02:19 GMT -5
LOL
I know, I know...
I was just trying to keep Bulls3y3's hope alive!
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Post by water on Jun 10, 2008 6:40:11 GMT -5
Rashid Darden Alpha Man now if VP is right then somebody is Lying..... Rashid has a direct quote out of the Book by Charles H. Wesley an Alpha man and historian of several history books ... Could this be a conspiracy  and why would Charles H Wesley put this info in the boule history book? |
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Post by water on Jun 10, 2008 6:53:14 GMT -5
Charles H. Wesley Books
* Negro Labor in the United States, 1850-1925 (1927)
* The History of Alpha Phi Alpha: A Development in Negro College Life (1929)
* Richard Allen, Apostle of Freedom (1935)
* Collapse of the Confederacy (1937)
* The Negro in the Americas (1940)
* The History of Sigma Pi Phi (1954)
* History of the Improved Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks of the World, 1898-1954 (1955)
* Negro Makers of History (5th edition) with Carter G. Woodson (1958)
* The Story of the Negro Retold with Carter G. Woodson (1959)
* The History of the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of the Free and Accepted Masons of the State of Ohio (1961)
* The Negro in Our History with Carter G. Woodson(1962)
* The International Library of Prince Hall Grand Lodge of the Free and Accepted Masons of the State of Ohio (1961)
* Ohio Negroes in the Civil War (1962)
* Neglected History: Essays in Negro History (1965)
* Negro Americans in the Civil War: From Slavery to Citizenship (1967)
* International Library of Negro Life and History, a ten volume set (1967).
* In Freedom's Footsteps: From the African Background to the Civil War (1968)
* The Quest for Equality: From Civil War to Civil Rights (1968)
* Negro Citizenship in the United States: Rhe Fourteenth Amendment and the Negro-American, Its Concepts and Developments, 1868-1968 (1968)
* The Fifteenth Amendment and Black America, 1870-1970 (1970)
* Women Builders with Sadie Iola Daniel and Thelma D. Perry (1970)
* Henry Arthur Callis, Life and Legacy (1977)
* Prince Hall: A Life and Legacy (1977)
* The History of the National Association of Colored Women's Clubs: A Legacy of Service (1984). wik o pedia
Now do you think Carter G Woodson an OMEGA MAN knew about the boule history book by his friend Charles ? come on brother...DR. Just was a member of the BOULE winter 1911
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Post by water on Jun 10, 2008 7:16:57 GMT -5
Charles Wesley and Dr. Just have a lot in common one thing being they both were professors at Howard at the same time for two decades 1920-1940 or so  Got History? |
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Post by Cambist on Jun 10, 2008 8:13:49 GMT -5
This conversation is getting interesting.....
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Post by water on Jun 10, 2008 9:09:22 GMT -5
 1911 Popcorn Machine |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 10, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -5
Rashid Darden Alpha Man now if VP is right then somebody is Lying..... Rashid has a direct quote out of the Book by Charles H. Wesley an Alpha man and historian of several history books ... Could this be a conspiracy and why would Charles H Wesley put this info in the boule history book? You're dumb as fuck Water. No disrespect to the Alpha's but how you gonna quote a dude who couldn't even get his own history right. I mean 2 of the Alpha founders wanted stuff changed in his book about APhiA and it was refused by him. That to me says ALOT. Simply put it was stat padding at its finest. You can't say that Just was apart of SPP then all of a sudden the little known Organization in its humble beginnings excommunicated THE FIRST Spingarn Award recipient. It's RIDICULOUS! I have the roll of SPP from 1/27/11 and Just name isn't there. That picture provided does NOT show a young Ernest E Just. I have showed you that. What else do yall want? Niggah you're wrong. Also wrong about him being a Prince Hall Mason. EVERYBODY attempts to claim him. So I'll say this again.. He was a Seekin Ritual Initiate at 12, apart of the Philadelphian Club at Dartmouth, Faculty Adviser for Omega, Spingarn Award Recipient, shall I go on? It's amazing that you as a Christian would side with an Open Homosexual just to try and prove a point which is false irregardless of who wrote it. Same people who say that CC Poindexter help found Omega Psi Phi when the former was a Professor at the time at Fisk University in 1911 and thats a documented FACT. LOL Listen dude.... I have heard all this bullchit before. I have researched it all. You and your boy denounced are exposing yourself as not being to bright on yall shit when you did claim the bruhz. So please save yourself the embarrassment and fall the fuck back. For the last time. YALL DON'T KNOW shit. Hell you didn't even know about Just upbringing until I TOLD YOU. That goes for denounced too. So what is this gang up on VP since I exposed you're boy Jay for being a Greco-Roman Goddess worshiping Lawyer? Ha!  Yall want sum attention too? Okay here we go... Lets start here.... 17Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.  Julius Caesar was a , Racist, chauvinist, murderer, Adulterer, Had sex with Children and was known as""He was every woman's man, and every man's woman" as quoted by many historian... Once again 19Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Try again Hypocrites. All of your hard work is gone down the drain with a verse from your God book. I implore you please don't come to a battle with the bible as ammunition.... Didn't your Lord tell you the word is a double edged sword? LOL Catch Up Niggahs! |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 10, 2008 11:47:28 GMT -5
Charles Wesley and Dr. Just have a lot in common one thing being they both were professors at Howard at the same time for two decades 1920-1940 or so Got History? See this the shit I'm talking about Water... You don't know shit. Dr. Just took a leave of absence from Howard in 1915 and went to Univ of Chicago got his Doctorate then he left for Woods Hole, MA (being there prior during the summer's since 1909) and completed experiments from 1922-29. He was basically an Adjunct Professor at Howard rarely being there. He also left for Europe (Kaiser Institute in Germany) in 1929 came back home in 1940 and passed in 1941. Sit the fuck down man geez. |
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Post by water on Jun 10, 2008 15:32:37 GMT -5
Rashid That Alpha is tight with his and dont get mad cuz he stylin on you. VP's evidence will not stand in court I can see it now....... Your honor he was not a member of Sigma pi phi ... the great historian Charles Wesley was lying when he wrote that history book he was stat padding the boule just want to claim him like the prince hall masons. in fact he he was already initiated into the seeker rituals in the former slave state south Carolina when he was 12 . so their was no need for Dr Just to be in the boule or the prince hall masons . But he did take time out of his busy schedule to start the Omega fraternity at Howard . Mr vodou call your first witness.....well your honor i have to conjure dem up.... Say what nigger i mean Mr voodoo Bailiff get him and his dolls out of here NOW dog you should have wore a three piece suit with the frat pin instead of that traditional Yoruba outfit I thank you scared the judge and nobody showed up for jury duty except for that old lady with her bible and she was singing Oh the Blood of Jesus so much that they sent her home..  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jun 10, 2008 15:49:20 GMT -5
Rashid That Alpha is tight with his and dont get mad cuz he stylin on you. VP's evidence will not stand in court I can see it now....... Your honor he was not a member of Sigma pi phi ... the great historian Charles Wesley was lying when he wrote that history book he was stat padding the boule just want to claim him like the prince hall masons. in fact he he was already initiated into the seeker rituals in the former slave state south Carolina when he was 12 . so their was no need for Dr Just to be in the boule or the prince hall masons . But he did take time out of his busy schedule to start the Omega fraternity at Howard . Mr vodou call your first witness.....well your honor i have to conjure dem up.... Say what nigger i mean Mr voodoo Bailiff get him and his dolls out of here NOW dog you should have wore a three piece suit with the frat pin instead of that traditional Yoruba outfit I thank you scared the judge and nobody showed up for jury duty except for that old lady with her bible and she was singing Oh the Blood of Jesus so much that they sent her home.. YAWN..... If 2 founders of APhiA (Callis and Kelley) refute Charles Wesley's work on his own damn frat then we can't pass go. But believe what you may dude. LOL I'm laughing at you not with you..  |
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Post by water on Jun 10, 2008 16:20:53 GMT -5
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and why would Charles H Wesley put this info in the boule history book?
