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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 14, 2008 21:12:06 GMT -5
Some years ago I was reading the english translation of the Ethiopic version of the Book Of Enoch. It was a very interesting read. It names all of the so-called Arch Angels and their jobs. It names the fallen angels and their leader Samayaza.
In this book its is basically walking with Enoch on his inter-dimensional journey.
One place in particular it speaks of Gabriel's job. It states as pertaining to the fallen angels off spring
CHAPTER 10:13
13To Gabriel also the Lord said, Go to the biters, (13) to the reprobates, to the children of fornication; and destroy the children of fornication, the offspring of the Watchers, from among men; bring them forth, and excite them one against another. Let them perish by mutual slaughter; for length of days shall not be theirs.
So basically Gabriel's job was to kill the children of fornication and those who were left he was to put them one against the other so they could kill each other.
Now reading this I thought on it then I thought about Gabriel role in Judiasm... He was the burring Bush. The Angel of the Lord. Then he also came to Mary and Joesph as concern to Jesus. He came to St John the Devine about his dream that was the precursor of the book of revelation and he give the entire Koran to Muhammad but they called him Jebril Gabriel in Arabic.
So what if the way that Gabriel pitted the children one against the other was thru religion. Jews kill Muslims, Muslim s kill Christians, Christians kill Jews. fulfilling his job.
Your thoughts...
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 14, 2008 21:18:54 GMT -5
Can you explain? I missed the connection between children of fornication and religion. Im also unclear on how he would be fulfilling his job thru his role in Judiasm...can you elaborate?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 14, 2008 21:29:47 GMT -5
Well in the Book of Enoch it bacially expands on the Sons of God saw th Daughters of Men passage from Genesis. It shows you what happened and how Gabriel was commissioned to deal with the off spring. Thats what the movie the Prophecy was about with Christoper Walken. Micheal was commissioned to deal with the falling angels who once again were beign punished for showing man the secrets of heaven.
Why does the christian god want man to be ignorant?
Gabriel in plain language was told to go amongst the watchers and their children. Kill as many of them as you can and for those who you cant kill pit them one against the other so that they can kill themselves.
The reason that Judiasm, Christianity and Islam are all connected is because of Gabriel. He gave Moses the Torah, He spoke to Mary about Jesus and spoke to Joesph to assure his wife was still a virgin. He came to St John the Devine and deciphered the dream that he had which spawned the book of Revelations and he came to Prophet Muhammad who was fearful at first. So Gabriel converted his wife Khadejah who urged her husband that Gabriel came in peace. The entire Koran was spoken to Muhammad in its entirety from Gabriel himself.
So this brings to question did he use religion to pit the children of fornication who he couldnt kill one against the other so that they would kill themselves?
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 14, 2008 21:47:34 GMT -5
Forgive my ignorance...  Are you referring to when the fallen angels got with the women and created giants? Wouldnt that presuppose that all Christians, Muslims, and Jews are the children of fornication? If so, who is left? Who wouldnt be considered the children of fornication? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 14, 2008 21:52:40 GMT -5
Forgive my ignorance... Are you referring to when the fallen angels got with the women and created giants? Wouldnt that presuppose that all Christians, Muslims, and Jews are the children of fornication? If so, who is left? Who wouldnt be considered the children of fornication? The Sons of God themselves. Some people actually believe that the reason black folks around the world are in the position that we are in is because we were the teachers. We are Lucifer, Satan and Azazel. We are the Egyptians and Ethiopians in the bybull. We are the Dragon in the Book of Revelation. We are the Jinn in Islam. This is our punishement. The religion is theirs............... |
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 14, 2008 21:55:47 GMT -5
You better speak for yourself, Homie! Black people ALWAYS wanna be "we"ing someone into their drama....aint no WE. Crabs in a barrel, I tell you.
<--- is brown, is not the de-bil! X-(
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 14, 2008 22:05:25 GMT -5
You better speak for yourself, Homie! Black people ALWAYS wanna be "we"ing someone into their drama....aint no WE. Crabs in a barrel, I tell you. <--- is brown, is not the de-bil! X-( LOL calm down... The symbolisms that are used aren't evil and personally I don't believe anything in the bible actually happened. What I do think is the makers of this religion left esoteric markers for the original men and women to see it wasn't for us. I'm doing this looking at the foundation of these religions being on shaky ground. Now I do think we are in our present predicaments for teaching the unjust. Our ancestors are punishing us. The fact that none of these religions encapsulate the embodiment of the sacred feminine lets you know they are incorrect. You can't have a conversation about creation of anything without the woman being apart of it. |
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Post by jay0heavenly on May 14, 2008 22:13:31 GMT -5
the argument is built on a very very very generous application of the "children of fornication"... contextually speaking, that application couldn't be more off, but hey, to each his own.
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 14, 2008 22:17:58 GMT -5
Well can you expand Jay b/c Im so lost  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 14, 2008 22:21:57 GMT -5
the argument is built on a very very very generous application of the "children of fornication"... contextually speaking, that application couldn't be more off, but hey, to each his own. Okay well what about Gabriel and his relation to all three religions? Is this something that you have studied? |
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 14, 2008 22:27:42 GMT -5
I havent....so ignore this if there is an obvious answer but is it possible that Gabriel passed the same knowledge to each "group" so to speak and it was man, in all his fallacy, that misinterpreted what was given to him? In that respect, I guess you could argue that nobody really has it 100% right.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 14, 2008 22:37:00 GMT -5
I havent....so ignore this if there is an obvious answer but is it possible that Gabriel passed the same knowledge to each "group" so to speak and it was man, in all his fallacy, that misinterpreted what was given to him? In that respect, I guess you could argue that nobody really has it 100% right. Oh naw I was asking Jay. with Gabriel there is more. He was the voice that told Noah to make the boat, he stopped Abraham from killing Issac he wrestled with Jacob, he came to Daniel to give him an interpretation just s he did later with St John the Devine. |
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Post by water on May 15, 2008 7:46:48 GMT -5
The voice that told Noah to build the Ark was Yahweh who is one with Yahshua . The Blood of Yahshua is the price paid for our sin. In the Beginning was Yahshua and Yahshua was with Yahweh and Yahshua was Yahweh . The Father and Son are ONE
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
Yahweh told Noah to build an Ark
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Post by jay0heavenly on May 15, 2008 8:53:26 GMT -5
the argument is built on a very very very generous application of the "children of fornication"... contextually speaking, that application couldn't be more off, but hey, to each his own. Okay well what about Gabriel and his relation to all three religions? Is this something that you have studied? Certainly, but I am certainly not willing to attribute Muhammed's "revelation" (and I use that term VERY loosely) to Gabriel or anything Godly. I know he said it was Gabriel, but Islam to me is not divine at all. The bible tells us in Galatians that "Satan himself can appear as an angel of light"; therefore, it my deduction, Muhammed was deceived by Satan to think that Satan was Gabriel and started Islam. To me Gabriel played a part in Judaism and Christianity, but not Islam, despite what Muhammed purported. |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 9:02:54 GMT -5
Thats why Jay's my nicca
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 9:11:57 GMT -5
Okay well what about Gabriel and his relation to all three religions? Is this something that you have studied? Certainly, but I am certainly not willing to attribute Muhammed's "revelation" (and I use that term VERY loosely) to Gabriel or anything Godly. I know he said it was Gabriel, but Islam to me is not divine at all. The bible tells us in Galatians that "Satan himself can appear as an angel of light"; therefore, it my deduction, Muhammed was deceived by Satan to think that Satan was Gabriel and started Islam. To me Gabriel played a part in Judaism and Christianity, but not Islam, despite what Muhammed purported. So Jay you are stating that you truly believe that Satan came in the form of Gabriel and gave the Quran to Muhammad? What would you say to Jews who have the sme sentiment in regards to Gabriel and him meeting Mary and Joseph as concern to Jesus. Jews don't believe that Jesus is god and furthermore think he was a sorcerer. The very sae thing you feel about Islam some Jews feel about christianity. Oh btw... Nupey this conversation is way over your head. Please exit the room... Thanx in advance |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 9:17:24 GMT -5
Certainly, but I am certainly not willing to attribute Muhammed's "revelation" (and I use that term VERY loosely) to Gabriel or anything Godly. I know he said it was Gabriel, but Islam to me is not divine at all. The bible tells us in Galatians that "Satan himself can appear as an angel of light"; therefore, it my deduction, Muhammed was deceived by Satan to think that Satan was Gabriel and started Islam. To me Gabriel played a part in Judaism and Christianity, but not Islam, despite what Muhammed purported. So Jay you are stating that you truly believe that Satan came in the form of Gabriel and gave the Quran to Muhammad? What would you say to Jews who have the sme sentiment in regards to Gabriel and him meeting Mary and Joseph as concern to Jesus. Jews don't believe that Jesus is god and furthermore think he was a sorcerer. The very sae thing you feel about Islam some Jews feel about christianity. Oh btw... Nupey this conversation is way over your head. Please exit the room... Thanx in advance |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 9:18:19 GMT -5
The voice that told Noah to build the Ark was Yahweh who is one with Yahshua . The Blood of Yahshua is the price paid for our sin. In the Beginning was Yahshua and Yahshua was with Yahweh and Yahshua was Yahweh . The Father and Son are ONE 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.Yahweh told Noah to build an ArkMy Fault Water Yashua did tell Noah to build the Arc... GABRIEL TAUGHT HIM HOW TO BUILD IT THOUGH... Speak on it |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 9:19:50 GMT -5
The voice that told Noah to build the Ark was Yahweh who is one with Yahshua . The Blood of Yahshua is the price paid for our sin. In the Beginning was Yahshua and Yahshua was with Yahweh and Yahshua was Yahweh . The Father and Son are ONE 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.
22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.Yahweh told Noah to build an ArkMy Fault Water Yashua did tell Noah to build the Arc... GABRIEL TAUGHT HIM HOW TO BUILD IT THOUGH...Speak on it |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 9:34:44 GMT -5
So Jay you are stating that you truly believe that Satan came in the form of Gabriel and gave the Quran to Muhammad? What would you say to Jews who have the sme sentiment in regards to Gabriel and him meeting Mary and Joseph as concern to Jesus. Jews don't believe that Jesus is god and furthermore think he was a sorcerer. The very sae thing you feel about Islam some Jews feel about christianity. Oh btw... Nupey this conversation is way over your head. Please exit the room... Thanx in advanceA Great Prophet and The Son of God are two different things Nupey. JEWS do not believe that Jesus is the son of god nor the embodiment of Elijah the comforter spoken of in Daniel. Jews can say the same thing. They don't believe Mary had a virgin birth. The validity of the Virgin Birth centers around Gabriel. It is Gabriel who came to Mary and Joesph and let them know about Jesus.. So yes the JEWS can say the exact same thing. How did Jesus feel about Jews? Its basic... Jews feel Jesus is NOT the son of god. They feel their Laws and Ways are it and are still awaiting the return of Jehovah but in the mean time comforted by Elijah. Christians believe Jesus fulfilled the old law (Judaism) and ushered in a new law. They feel he is the Son Of God. Islam feels that Jesus isn't the Son of God and they follow more so on the concept of Judaism just with a Ishmael twist. Did you know in the center of Mecca in the tomb it is supposed to be Hagar that is there? Do you know who Hagar was? Anyone the Muslims are waiting for the Great Mahdi to return. Muhammad wasn't looked upon as a Jesus type figure just a messenger. So all three religions can say the same thing about each other. And Gabriel was INSTRUMENTAL in all three. I personally believe none of it happened but it is just one of many esoteric markers left for the righteous to see that none of these religions are correct. |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 9:49:42 GMT -5
Actually sir, Its not. I'm well versed in this subject and other biblical historical accounts. What I believe Jay is saying, is that Satan can disguise himself to anything he wants to be. Ever heard of the phrase "Wolf in sheeps clothing"? So Muhammed could've very well received a message from what he THOUGHT was an angel of God. You are INCORRECT in your Assesment on what Jews believe. They believe he was a GREAT PROPHET, not a socerer, there is a difference. You seem to be making things up as you go. Fine. But don't insult me by assuming I KNOW NOTHING of my faith.
Again what are we arguing? All you are effectively doing is stating how the three Religons differ. How does this make the Noel any LESS true? Only ONE of them can be right, so why can't it be Christianity? You don't believe any none of them, so to explain it is fruitless. I believe Christianity is Right, a Muslim believes Islam is right, SOME Jews believe Judism is correct...We'll ALL FIND OUT ON JUDGEMENT DAY.Exactly! So what have we gained here today? All you've done is point out the widely Known fact that these three religons differ from each other but share the same CHARACTERS. |
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Post by water on May 15, 2008 9:58:39 GMT -5
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 10:04:01 GMT -5
I agree, I can't speak about the Jews. The are the 144,000 that will receive another opportunity at Judgement day. But we can BOTH agree that he wasn't beleived to be a sorcerer by the jews, as you have stated in a previous postThe validity of the Virgin Birth doesn't "center" around Gabriel, even without him, it STILL WOULD'VE HAPPENED. Just because 2 other religions share the same Angel, doesnt make Christianity anyless valid. All three religions share the same Diety, but they ALL HAVE different versians of GOD. The only thing that all 3 religions share is the Torah. After that, each goes there seperate ways. So isn't it possible that each recieved their OWN interpetation of what they beleived happened?Simple, he loved them even though "some" of them hated him.What Jews? Whats the UNVERSAL belief of Jews voodou? Do you know what ALL JEWS beleive? Isn't being a Jew more than a religion? Its actually a NATIONALITY. You've never heard of Christian Jews?
Again what are we arguing? All you are effectively doing is stating how the three Religons differ. How does this make the Noel any LESS true? Only ONE of them can be right, so why can't it be Christianity? You don't believe any none of them, so to explain it is fruitless. I believe Christianity is Right, a Muslim believes Islam is right, SOME Jews believe Judism is correct...We'll ALL FIND OUT ON JUDGEMENT DAY.Exactly! So what have we gained here today? All you've done is point out the widely Known fact that these three religons differ from each other but share the same CHARACTERS. Actually read up Nupey Jews did and do believe Jesus was a sorcerer. Expand your knowledge base then came back so we can dialogue. I dont have time to hold you hand on every nook and cranny that you dont know about. The fact that you think I'm talking about Jews in a racial sense which their is none versus their fundamental belief speaks volumes. You need to read up or if you have a forgotten then brush up. You're dumbing the convo down. |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 10:15:17 GMT -5
Hmmm....Voodou, maybe you right, I guess I should go back and re-read some of the Jewish/Islam beliefs....I can accept that!
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 10:16:02 GMT -5
Pick up a Talmud... It speaks volumes if you can find one
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 10:18:15 GMT -5
Let me ask you something VD, in all do respect, how do you expect to convert other AA's to your beliefs if you can't show us any documents historically that may or may not point to your beliefs in being supreme? I dont know if your goal is TO convert, but if it was and you were trying to convice me, how would you without some sort of text?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 10:25:10 GMT -5
Let me ask you something VD, in all do respect, how do you expect to convert other AA's to your beliefs if you can't show us any documents historically that may or may not point to your beliefs in being supreme? I dont know if your goal is TO convert, but if it was and you were trying to convice me, how would you without some sort of text? Who said I'm trying to convert you to anything? Thats what I'm saying NOPE this dayum thread is based on The English Translation of the Ethiopic Book of Enoch. GO GET IT. Wanna see how Jews felt about Jesus. Read the Talmud GO GET IT. You swear folks be coming out of their ass with stuff but your reading and comprehension skills are whats the problem. So go get The Book of Enoch you can find many e-books if you like. Find you a Talmud as well. shit isn't that hard man. You want a mofo to give you something. If a person says something to me that I don't agree with I go and research it for myself to see if its valid Stop being lazy |
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Post by Southie on May 15, 2008 17:15:27 GMT -5
<<needs to take a look at her bible, and check out a few things.
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 16, 2008 14:38:10 GMT -5
Let me ask you something VD, in all do respect, how do you expect to convert other AA's to your beliefs if you can't show us any documents historically that may or may not point to your beliefs in being supreme? I dont know if your goal is TO convert, but if it was and you were trying to convice me, how would you without some sort of text? This ^^ sounds vaaaaaaaugely familiar to me  ;D ;D LOL @ VP and Nupey's love/hate relationship...as I was reading I was thinking WOW VP called him Nupey instead of NOPE...Nupey agreed with VP on something...then the next few posts just went dowwwwwwwn dowwwwwwwwwn doooown. lol |
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Post by bulls3y3 on May 22, 2008 14:22:06 GMT -5
WOW!
I am proud we are keeping this conversation very intellectual(yes, even you too nupey).
I honestly don't know anything about Islam or the Jewish faith, but I feel there are many keys differences(according to what I have read in this post).
Butanywayz, I just wanted to step in and say that the Bible had never talked about different religions. It talks about having fear of the Lord and having a relationship with him. This is the key to our salvation as sinners.
...the bible does talk about Idolatry; but don't Muslims and Jews worship the same God as Christians?
As long as we keep God first, what is the dispute?
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Are you referring to when the fallen angels got with the women and created giants?
