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Post by No Screen Name on May 8, 2008 18:45:31 GMT -5
I've always wondered about this. As Christians, we are to "love the sinner, hate the sin". But the devil *IS* sin basically, wouldn't you say?
Comments, please.
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on May 8, 2008 18:48:09 GMT -5
That's a really good point...I don't think God HATES the devil, because He CREATED the devil. I think He just hates his ways. We should embrace the fact that overcoming the sins of the devil will ultimately lead us into paradise with God. So no, I don't hate the devil, I just hate the things he causes and the stuff he does.
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Post by denounced on May 8, 2008 19:20:39 GMT -5
The devil has no hope of redemption. Love will do him no good, not even God can save Him. To do so would make Him a liar.
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Post by water on May 8, 2008 23:58:09 GMT -5
You love who you follow  .....When we followed satan we loved him  and when we turned from our wicked ways picked up our cross and began to follow Jesus Christ that is a sure sign that you love The Heavenly Father.the devil is a liar so rebuke the devil in the name of Jesus..... All of my Love My Peace and Happiness I m gonna give it to my Savior Yahshua
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Post by No Screen Name on May 9, 2008 8:29:13 GMT -5
But we are supposed to love our enemies.
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Post by suavesince1911 on May 9, 2008 11:44:00 GMT -5
How can I love Satan when his goal is to steal, kill, and destroy? Satan does not care about anybody.
I agree with Fred: Satan has no hope for redemption (and I honestly don't think he wants it either), so it does absolutely no good to love him.
He wants to destroy our lives. The bible calls him our adversary. He is the exact opposite of what God represents.
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Post by water on May 9, 2008 12:51:13 GMT -5
Have you ever had your eyes on them shoes that you just had to have but they were too small? You had to break out the shoe horn to put them on and as soon as you got in the car you had to pull them off only to cram your dogs back in them to take that dreaded walk on coals of fire to find your seat in a pew. Who were you trying to impress God? He wasn’t looking at your feet…. He was studying your heart and intentions and wondering when you were going to ever join his club, his click. Brother Phil has been crying loud and sparing none over at exbglounion.wordpress.com/. The church is now turning into a club in some places a zoo in others and some places you actually have a “Church Mafia” in affect complete with a Don ordering the summary execution of saints by cutting off communication and fellowship with them or by handicapping local ministries by conquering and dividing congregations. I have to quote my brother from TBCP eanthonypreston when he said, “these days you got church pillars and church caterpillars” I believe these Church Mafia families are demonically blinded and driven by Satan to do their dirty work. They usually have a few Jezebels around who are incredibly influential (I will post some info on Jezebel spirits later) usually immature saints that are still on milk are easily influenced by these families. They galvanize on a ridiculous issue usually about the pastor or someone in his family or close circle of friends or ministerial staff. After a week or two the membership begins to dwindle and the pastor and staff wonder what has happened while the Church Mafia family either sit smiling like Jack-O-Lanterns in their seats. Or either decide to move to another church to repeat their offenses and the baby saints that go crawling behind them become the “caterpillars” never going from the pupa stage into the chrysalis to finally develop wings to fly as a butterfly. It is the Devil’s plan for these saint’s to never grow out of spiritual infancy. This is unique to this generation I believe, partly due to the times that we are living in and the corruption in the upper echelons of the ministry that has gone unchecked for far too long. More serious is there are reports that churches have begun to take on a Fraternity and Sorority type atmosphere and in the midwest it has been said that several Baptist churches have been threatened by the Masonic lodges by strong arm tactics, forcing pastors to change their style of preaching and what they are allowed to say and threatening to pull signifigant funding away by removing large swaths of members who are loyal to their cause with the flick of a wrist (yes they do use sign language and code). This is witchcraft saints and God is not pleased and I believe soon we will see perpetrators of this mess start dropping dead right in the pews so pastors go ahead and brush up on your Eulogy skills the day is coming. My brother’s Phil and Minister Hatcher and Sister Gail Grey all saw the need to step out of the trap of the Black Greek Letter Organization that has not just saturated the Historically black colleges and university’s but now it is in the black churches as well. Now you have web pages dedicated to Pan Hellenic Preachers, that’s right, these are preachers who have pledged their allegiance to a false god and to the one true God. That is where the shoe horn comes in again, there isn’t enough room for two. “God said thou shall have no other god’s before me”. That was not a suggestion it was a commandment. A declarative statement with a period behind it. You can’t serve two masters and these pastor’s are sending their sheep over a cliff, this is suicide for the saints in short order. I will not stand idly by and do nothing as long as their is breath in my body I will speak against that which is against the foundational teachings of Christianity, if I lose a few friends that’s fine. I don’t need to pledge to fit in. I am already a part of the ORIGINAL GREEK LETTERS AND THAT IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA THE GREAT I AM I don’t need to go on line or be hazed, he already took the beating and the mockery and paid the price for me to be and eternal member of the best club around and that is the Body of Christ!!! Minister K Wheeler |
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on May 9, 2008 12:59:47 GMT -5
How can I love Satan when his goal is to steal, kill, and destroy? Satan does not care about anybody. I agree with Fred: Satan has no hope for redemption (and I honestly don't think he wants it either), so it does absolutely no good to love him. He wants to destroy our lives. The bible calls him our adversary. He is the exact opposite of what God represents. Why should God love you when you blatantly go against what He stands for and what is in the Bible? Because he created you that's why. No, you shouldn't LOVE the devil, that's ridiculous. But OVERCOMING sins CAUSED by him brings you closer to everlasting life in God and Jesus Christ. Embrace overcoming sin. That is all. |
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Post by Cambist on May 9, 2008 14:16:31 GMT -5
Yeah, water...i was with you for a minute but then you lost me....but I guess half the message is still good with me.
What I want to know is this.....what's the situation in Haiti right now? Political, social, economic, etc...
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Post by Champs Elysees on May 9, 2008 15:39:46 GMT -5
*post*
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Post by water on May 9, 2008 20:22:14 GMT -5
rice and beans ........food riots ........
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Post by No Screen Name on May 9, 2008 22:08:17 GMT -5
snot
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Post by THE emPRISS on May 10, 2008 0:53:15 GMT -5
Yeah, water...i was with you for a minute but then you lost me....but I guess half the message is still good with me. What I want to know is this.....what's the situation in Haiti right now? Political, social, economic, etc... LOL! I was too then it went like this __/|__________________. Right after cramming the feet in the shoes...it was going somewhere ;D ;D but then it just....well....it just didnt.  <--had to go back to the original post to remember what the thread was originally about. |
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Post by suavesince1911 on May 10, 2008 0:55:21 GMT -5
That's a really good point...I don't think God HATES the devil, because He CREATED the devil. I think He just hates his ways. We should embrace the fact that overcoming the sins of the devil will ultimately lead us into paradise with God. So no, I don't hate the devil, I just hate the things he causes and the stuff he does. Hmm....so God doesn't hate the devil because he created him. Where is this written in the scriptures? In fact, where in the scriptures will you find a verse stating that God doesn't hate anyone because he created him/her? Crim, Satan doesn't simply"cause", or "do" evil; he IS evil. According to Psalms 97:10, we are to HATE evil. Also, read Psalms 11:5. Satan is the creator and manifestation of everything that is evil. If God hates sin and evil, and Satan is the author and embodiment of them, then we are justified in hating the devil. |
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Post by Highly Favored on May 10, 2008 9:49:53 GMT -5
That's a really good point...I don't think God HATES the devil, because He CREATED the devil. I think He just hates his ways. We should embrace the fact that overcoming the sins of the devil will ultimately lead us into paradise with God. So no, I don't hate the devil, I just hate the things he causes and the stuff he does. Hmm....so God doesn't hate the devil because he created him. Where is this written in the scriptures? In fact, where in the scriptures will you find a verse stating that God doesn't hate anyone because he created him/her? Crim, Satan doesn't simply"cause", or "do" evil; he IS evil. According to Psalms 97:10, we are to HATE evil. Also, read Psalms 11:5. Satan is the creator and manifestation of everything that is evil. If God hates sin and evil, and Satan is the author and embodiment of them, then we are justified in hating the devil. I agree. |
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and when we turned from our wicked ways picked up our cross and began to follow Jesus Christ that is a sure sign that you love The Heavenly Father.the devil is a liar so rebuke the devil in the name of Jesus..... All of my Love My Peace and Happiness I m gonna give it to my Savior Yahshua 
