Did the U.S. Create AIDS???

[Champs Elysees]

I have always heard this and I happen to believe it.

I know that a report was issued a while back (yes I will find it) that said that overpopulation of third-world countries was going to be THE problem of the 21st century.

Could HIV have been created to depopulate the "third world"?

Why was it first discovered in a person who happened to be gay??

What are your thoughts?

[Prissy New Year!!!]

Probably...

[Alc 06]

simple answer....yes.

They "say" that it has to be passed from person-to-person. but where did it start??? hmmmm.......

Had to start somewhere, right??

[Champs Elysees]

I wrote a research paper on this topic in high school using what I thought at the time was an official document from the Department of Defense's Appropriations Committee from 1970, but I can't find an official copy anywhere.

I did find this:

Biologists Discover Why 10 Percent Of Europeans Are Safe From HIV Infection

ScienceDaily (Apr. 3, 2005) — Biologists at the University of Liverpool have discovered how the plagues of the Middle Ages have made around 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV.

Scientists have known for some time that these individuals carry a genetic mutation (known as CCR5-delta 32) that prevents the virus from entering the cells of the immune system but have been unable to account for the high levels of the gene in Scandinavia and relatively low levels in areas bordering the Mediterranean.

They have also been puzzled by the fact that HIV emerged only recently and could not have played a role in raising the frequency of the mutation to the high levels found in some Europeans today.

Professor Christopher Duncan and Dr Susan Scott from the University’s School of Biological Sciences, whose research is published in the March edition of Journal of Medical Genetics, attribute the frequency of the CCR5-delta 32 mutation to its protection from another deadly viral disease, acting over a sustained period in bygone historic times.

Some scientists have suggested this disease could have been smallpox or even bubonic plague but bubonic plague is a bacterial disease rather than a virus and is not blocked by the CCR5-delta 32 mutation.

Professor Duncan commented: “The fact that the CCR5-delta 32 mutation is restricted to Europe suggests that the plagues of the Middle Ages played a big part in raising the frequency of the mutation. These plagues were also confined to Europe, persisted for more than 300 years and had a 100% case mortality.”

Around 1900, historians spread the idea that the plagues of Europe were not a directly infectious disease but were outbreaks of bubonic plague, overturning an accepted belief that had stood for 550 years. Professor Duncan and Dr Scott illustrated in their book, Return of the Black Death (2004, Wiley), that this idea was incorrect and the plagues of Europe (1347-1660) were in fact a continuing series of epidemics of a lethal, viral, haemorrhagic fever that used the CCR5 as an entry port into the immune system.

Using computer modeling, they demonstrated how this disease provided the selection pressure that forced up the frequency of the mutation from 1 in 20,000 at the time of the Black Death to values today of 1 in 10.

Lethal, viral haemorrhagic fevers were recorded in the Nile valley from 1500 BC and were followed by the plagues of Mesopotamia (700-450BC), the plague of Athens (430BC), the plague of Justinian (AD541-700) and the plagues of the early Islamic empire (AD627-744). These continuing epidemics slowly raised the frequency from the original single mutation to about 1 in 20,000 in the 14th century simply by conferring protection from an otherwise certain death.

Professor Duncan added: “Haemorrhagic plague did not disappear after the Great Plague of London in 1665-66 but continued in Sweden, Copenhagen, Russia, Poland and Hungary until 1800. This maintenance of haemorrhagic plague provided continuing selection pressure on the CCR5-delta 32 mutation and explains why it occurs today at its highest frequency in Scandinavia and Russia.”

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325234239.htm

This is interesting indeed . . . I remember hearing about a number of people who have natural immunity to the virus.

[Champs Elysees]

I also found this article about the origin of the virus in Africa . . .
(It's too long to post here in it's entirety)

London Times: Smallpox Vaccine Triggered AIDS Virus

The World Health Organization Masterminded the 13-year Vaccination Campaign

By Luis Miranda, published Feb 01, 2008

London Times, May 11, 1987
Pearce Wright, Science Editor

Some experts fear that in obliterating one disease, another disease was transformed from a minor endemic illness of the Third World into the current pandemic. While doctors now accept that Vaccinia can activate other viruses, they are divided about whether it was the main catalyst to the Aids epidemic.

But an adviser to WHO who disclosed the problem, told The Times: 'I thought it was just a coincidence until we studied the latest findings about the reactions which can be caused by Vaccinia. Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation to the explosion of Aids.' 'In obliterating one disease, another was transformed.'

Further evidence comes from the Walter Reed Army Medical Centre in Washington. While smallpox vaccine is no longer kept for public health purposes, new recruits to the American armed services are immunized as a precaution against possible biological warfare. Routine vaccination of a 19-year-old recruit was the trigger for stimulation of dormant HIV virus into Aids.

This discovery of how people with sub-clinical HIV infection are at risk of rapid development of Aids as a vaccine-induced disease was made by a medical team working with Dr Robert Redfield at Walter Reed. The recruit who developed Aids after vaccination had been healthy throughout high school. He was given multiple immunizations, followed by his first smallpox vaccination.

Two and a half weeks later he developed fever, headaches, neck stiffness and night sweats. Three weeks later he was admitted to Walter Reed suffering from meningitis and rapidly developed further symptoms of Aids and died after responding for a short time to treatment. There was no evidence that the recruit had been involved in any homosexual activity.

In describing their discovery in a paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine a fortnight ago, the Walter Reed team gave a warning against a plan to use modified versions of the smallpox vaccine to combat other diseases in developing countries.

It's continued here:
www.associatedcontent.com/article/577245/london_times_smallpox_vaccine_triggered.html

[Robelite]

I can't yes or no as to whether or not the U.S. created this vile plague, but after the Tuskegee Experiments (which we KNOW FOR SURE) this nation is directly responsible for, the suggestion or suspicion that AIDS was created in U.S. labs certainly holds some validity.

[No Screen Name]

I discussed this a while ago (I think it was on the old OO) but go check this out:

www.theaidstrial.com

The man who wrote this book claims that:

1. There is AIDS, but most people do not have it
2. HIV does NOT cause AIDS
3. What gay men began suffering and dying from in the early to mid-80s was a separate illness related to the widespread use of "poppers" in that community
4. What started killing everybody else in the 80s who was diagnosed with HIV was the drug AZT. The author contrasts Arthur Ashe, who died taking AZT, and Magic Johnson, who is still healthy.
5. When it was discovered that AZT was deadly, it was quietly removed from shelves, and newer drugs introduced. That is why people are living with the illness now.
6. People who are dying in Africa that we are told are dying from AIDS are actually dying from malnutrition and other diseases

I'm not saying I buy this at all. But I heard him on a radio show, and EVERY argument anybody brought he had a quick retort. To the point that a research scientist called to argue and got flustered.

[Champs Elysees]

Z! I read a report by a doctor who was saying the same stuff! He had a "Muslim"-sounding name.

He was saying that as soon as people who were "diagnosed" with HIV/AIDS suspended "treatments", the symptoms of the disease disappeared.

[No Screen Name]

Also, check out www.rethinkingaids.com

[water]

I buy it z ....and if anyone watches Tony Brown's Journal He did a show about HIV and Aids

people are getting depressed because a test says that they are HIV positive . I feel for anyone who is still in the game . I dont mess with that flu vaccine NO NO . and i pray real hard when i take my kids for shots. God help us all

[water]

"The most toxic drug that has ever been licensed
for long term consumption in the free world.
... AZT is a prescription drug and according to
the manufacturer itself it causes symptoms that are
indistinguishable from AIDS.
So I would say it is not arrogant for me
to say that AZT is AIDS by prescription."
~ Dr Peter Duesberg


Note: William Cooper was killed on November 5th 2001 by law enforcement.

A.I.D.S. is Man-made
by William Cooper
DATE/TIME: 07/27/90 21:02

To All,

During my talks in Las Vegas last weekend I revealed a few things about
aids that I have been keeping close to my chest. I have already
revealed that I saw that AIDS was man made to eleminate the undesirable
elements of society while I was attached to Naval Security and
Intelligence. I stated this fact in my paper "The Secret Government."
Now for the rest of the story.

The first study was made in 1957 by scientists meeting in Huntsville
Alabama. That study resulted in "Alternative 3." Another study was made
by the Club of Rome in 1968 to determine the limits to growth. The
result of the study was that civilization as we know it would collapse
shortly after the year 2000 unless the population was seriously
curtailed. Several Top Secret recommendations were made to the ruling
elite by Dr. Aurelio Peccei of the Club of Rome. The chief
recommendation was to develop a microbe which would attack the auto
immune system and thus render the development of a vaccine impossible.
The orders were given to develop the microbe and to also develop a
cure and a prophylactic. The microbe would be used against the general
population and would be introduced by vaccine administered by the
World Health Organization. The prophylactic was to be used by the
ruling elite. The cure will be administered to the survivors when they
decide that enough people have died. It will be announced as newly
developed. This plan was called Global 2000. The cure and the
prophylactic are suppressed. Funding was obtained from the U.S.
Congress under H.B. 15090 where $10 million was given to the Department
of Defense to produce "a synthetic biological agent, an agent that
does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have
been acquired." "Within the next 5 to 10 years it would probably be
possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in
certain important aspects from any known disease causing organisms.


Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the
immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to
maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease." The project was
carried out at Fort Detrick Maryland. Since large populations were to
be decimated the ruling elite decided to target the "undesirable
elements of society" for extermination. Specifically targeted were the
black, hispanic, and homosexual populations. The name of the project
that developed AIDS is MKNAOMI. The African continent was infected via
smallpox vaccine in 1977. The U.S. population was infected in 1978 with
the hepatitis B vaccine through the Centers for Disease Control and the
New York Blood Center. You now have the entire story. The order was
given by the POLICY COMMITTEE of THE BILDERBERG GROUP based in
Switzerland. Other measures were also ordered. The one you will be able
to check the easiest is the Haig - Kissinger Depopulation Policy which
is administered by the State Department.

When you put this information out do not edit it and please give me and
this board full credit as the source of the information. Please post
the board phone number with this file. That is how I stay alive. This
board is THE CITIZENS AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE, SYSOP - WILLIAM
COOPER, [phone]

To aid you in your research of this CRIME the name of the report was
"THE LIMITS TO GROWTH" A REPORT FOR THE CLUB OF ROME'S PROJECT ON THE
PREDICAMENT OF MANKIND. In April 1968 the study began in the Accademia
dei Lincei in Rome Italy. They met at the instigation of Dr. Aurelio
Peccei. The Top Secret recommendations of the results of the study were
made by Dr. Aurelio Peccei who pledged not to use the prophylactic and
not to take the cure should the microbe be developed and should he
contract the disease. Dr. Peccei was hailed as a great hero for
deciding to take the same risk as the general population. The public
results of the study were published in 1972. The MIT project team that
participated in the study are listed below:

Dr. Dennis L. Meadows, director, United States

Dr. Alison A. Anderson, United States (pollution)

Dr. Jay M. Anderson, United States (pollution)

Ilyas Bayar, Turkey (agriculture)

William W. Behrens III, United States (resources)

Farhad Hakimzadeh, Iran (population)

Dr. Steffen Harbordt, Germany (socio-political trends)

Judith A Machen, United States (administration)

Dr. Donella H. Meadows, United States (population)

Peter Milling, Germany (capital)

Nirmala S. Murthy, India (population)

Roger F. Naill, United States (resources)

Jorgen Randers, Norway (population)

Stephen Shantzis, United States (agriculture)

John A. Seeger, United States (administration)

Marilyn Williams, United States (documentation)

Dr. Erich K. O. Zahn, Germany (agriculture)

When the study was completed in 1969 U.N. Secretary General U Thant
made this statement:

"I do not wish to seem overdramatic, but I can only conclude from the
information that is available to me as Secretary-General, that the
Members of the United Nations have perhaps ten years left in which to
subordinate their ancient quarrels and launch a global partnership to
curb the arms race, to defuse the population explosion, and to supply
the required momentum to development efforts. If such a global
partnership is not forged within the next decade, then I very much fear
that the problems I have mentioned will have reached such staggering
proportions that they will be beyond our capacity to control." U Thant,
1969

MKNAOMI was developed by the Special Operations Division (SOD)
scientists at Ft. Detrick, Maryland under the supervision of the CIA
and for the CIA. A reference to the project MKNAOMI can be found in
"The Intelligence Community" By Fain et al, Bowker, 1977.


I swear that all of the above information is true and correct to the
best of my memory and knowledge. I give this information to the people
of the world in hopes that someone will have the courage and resources
to help me end this madness. The illuminati (the order) are in complete
control of most of the world and they have declared war against the
general populations of all nations. We must stop them at all costs.
Please help me for I cannot do it alone. Please send this file without
editing to everyone that you know and ask them to do the same. God
bless you all.

William Cooper

[Champs Elysees]

Werd, Water.

[water]

i read this back in the days the author died in a shoot out with the police....William Cooper

[Noble Work]

Wow... I really don't know what to say about this. I have always heard that the AIDS virus was man made, or it was first made and released in Africa and the list goes on. Though I never doubted any of it. It is just sad that one group of people can hate another group of people (for God only know's the reason why) so much that they would inflict something like this. I mean I can't understand how someone could have that much hate in there heart to even think about something like this and then carry it through...that's a lot of hate. To me I think that kind of hatred is pure when somebody actually sat down and thought this through, that they would make a disease that will wipe out millions to make more room on this earth....."God don't need no help" is what I was told.

[JaineDough]

While im not sure if the US started it, I do believe that the US has a potential cure! Let Bush get AIDS and he'll be cured in a heart beat.....hmmmm

[Comedy]

I will refrain from saying the U.S. created Aids, but I will say "white people created Aids in an attempt to rid the world of black people." White people and Aid is to Hitler and the Holocaust.

[Champs Elysees]

Word is, Magic Johnson is cured. I don't know what he used, but best believe, it was NOT AZT!

Supposedly, there is a Chinese herb/root/plant that can cure it.

[coldfront06]

I've heard about that root before, from several sources. My mom has a book of the uses for many herbs, and they have it listed in the book as a "cure" for HIV.

I read an article that suggested that AZT was the cause of AIDS, and not HIV. That people who didn't take AZT never progressed to the AIDS stage. I don't know how accurate that is, but thats what the article suggested.

[Sapphire]

I wouldn't be surprised. I have heard that it was created by Dr. Hilary Kaprowski from polio vaccine. From what I can tell, many people dispute it and believe it.

[No Screen Name]

May 6, 2008 18:57:49 GMT -5 @coldfront06 said:

I read an article that suggested that AZT was the cause of AIDS, and not HIV. That people who didn't take AZT never progressed to the AIDS stage. I don't know how accurate that is, but thats what the article suggested.

Check out those links I posted. That's what they basically say in a nutshell.

I didn't realize that William Cooper died! I let someone borrow his book back in college, and I never got it back (actually, I borrowed the book from someone else, so we both got gyyped--LOL!).

[Vudu_Prince]

The disease isnt even that strong. Thing i your body gets tired of fighting it because it replicates so much. The disease is killedwith simple bleach. Its not even a capsule based pathogen...

[THE emPRISS]

i refuse to take prescriptions and im reluctant to go to the Dr. I dont trust those folks. I have no idea what those names on those prescriptions mean. I dont know what's in it. And even if the Dr prescribed the right medicine...I have no idea if what I am taking is EVEN what was prescribed!!! Talk about blind faith. I dont get flu shots, I dont take pills. Medicine kills people. If Im sick, I stay sick until I get better....and Im not sick often. I dont trust anyone who gets a MD and proclaims "There is no God. I am God"....(and quite a few of them do...one of my Catholic friends after she got her MD included).

I dont want anything injected into me and I dont particularly want anything extracted from me either. And taking that test? Ive had one but the whole time I kept thinking, "what if they tell me Im positive and Im really not, then prescribe me something that kills me?" That was my INITIAL gut feeling without any research or real knowledge about the disease.... fortunately not positive....but my friends thought I was nuts to even think that...now reading this and about AZT, I feel alot more sane. I also though about Tuskgugee and the possibility that what if they are clearing people as negative who are positive to continue the spread? I mean, to me, that would be the easiest way to continue the ignorant spread the disease. Tell people that have it that they dont so they can feel "safe". People showing up for "trysts" waving their papers so they can go raw....mmm mmmhhhmmm whatever negro...LOL

Yea, Im a bit of a conspiracy theorist so call me crazy but I dont trust it.

So do i believe it? ....I wont answer...Big Brother is watching. But all I will say is take the red pill (Matrix).


LOL

<--- dead serious