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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 1, 2008 13:08:59 GMT -5
We have all heard of some. Lets see if we can get some dialogue with historical concrete references to back up claims.
Run Em
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Post by ORACLE on May 1, 2008 16:50:09 GMT -5
This is going to just start some drama.
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Post by coldfront06 on May 1, 2008 16:56:37 GMT -5
I'm bored with these threads now.
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Post by frozenmenace on May 1, 2008 18:14:03 GMT -5
I heard that ever since the BGLOs were founded, there have been jackasses instigating and trying to cause drama between members of the orgs.
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Post by No Screen Name on May 3, 2008 17:04:13 GMT -5
Frozen, I know I've told you before, but you look a LOT like my boyfriend. He's maybe half a shade darker though.
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Post by Nupey on May 5, 2008 9:01:07 GMT -5
Frozen, I know I've told you before, but you look a LOT like my boyfriend. He's maybe half YOUR SIZE though. |
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Post by frozenmenace on May 5, 2008 9:12:12 GMT -5
Frozen, I know I've told you before, but you look a LOT like my boyfriend. He's maybe half YOUR SIZE though. Probably so...but at least he's not as ugly as you, Mr. Down Low! |
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Post by tremab on May 7, 2008 19:24:04 GMT -5
i see the more things change, the more things stay the same...
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Post by tremab on May 7, 2008 19:34:09 GMT -5
speaking of...
I have a question for the Kappas.
Why does your organization publicly celebrate a "founder's day" that one of your founders proved to be incorrect?
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Post by Troopa1911 on May 7, 2008 23:00:32 GMT -5
speaking of... I have a question for the Kappas. Why does your organization publicly celebrate a "founder's day" that one of your founders proved to be incorrect?
Kappa Alpha Psi is sooooo damn intriguing. lol |
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Post by tremab on May 8, 2008 5:59:09 GMT -5
ahahah
not so much...
one of ya'lls 07 brothers is just messy.
another question ducked! ha
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Post by Nupey on May 8, 2008 7:25:21 GMT -5
speaking of... I have a question for the Kappas. Why does your organization publicly celebrate a "founder's day" that one of your founders proved to be incorrect?
Lol...it hasn't been proven, its been "disputed" amongst the founders...Some of them got their dates mixed up thats all. |
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Post by Cambist on May 8, 2008 8:40:22 GMT -5
<<== comes to the defense of the Kappas on this one...
A lot of our history came from the mouths of our founders YEARS after they founded our organizations. Sometimes old folks dont remember. And sometimes folklore and tradition twist reality.
It happens in all orgs. You'd be suprised at how much factual information is actually speculation and educated guesses.
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Post by Nupey on May 8, 2008 8:44:42 GMT -5
<<== comes to the defense of the Kappas on this one... A lot of our history came from the mouths of our founders YEARS after they founded our organizations. Sometimes old folks dont remember. And sometimes folklore and tradition twist reality. It happens in all orgs. You'd be suprised at how much factual information is actually speculation and educated guesses.
"Founding date of Kappa Alpha Nu has been disputed due to that Mysterious Certain Event over which no man knows and no man has no contol over"
-Byron Kenneth Armstrong |
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Post by Cambist on May 8, 2008 8:50:35 GMT -5
<<== knows what that mysterious event was and when it happened....j/k
LOL!!
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Post by Nupey on May 8, 2008 8:51:45 GMT -5
<<== knows what that mysterious event was and when it happened....j/k LOL!! |
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Post by Cambist on May 8, 2008 8:53:42 GMT -5
I'm sure they had their reasons....
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Post by Nupey on May 8, 2008 8:59:01 GMT -5
Cam, let me ask you this. Why is it that yall only have 7 jeweles but 8 founders? Or am I confused? Why is a guy that was initated became a Jewel, but a founder was NOT a jewel? I dont know names but you get what I'm saying...
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Post by Cambist on May 8, 2008 9:23:30 GMT -5
This should help explain it, Nupe. On December 30, 1952, at the 38th General Convention in Cleveland, Ohio, during the presidency of Brother A. Maceo Smith, a special committee consisting of founders Nathaniel Allison Murray, George Biddle Kelley, Henry Arthur Callis and Historian Charles H. Wesley met to discuss the placement of the seventh founder of the fraternity. The committee submitted the following:
1. Several paragraphs of the history of our Fraternity for the years 1905-1906, are to be rewritten, with the view of placing Brother Jones in his proper historical setting.
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4. Brother James H. Morton was one of the first initiates, as was Brother Jones, and the program of initiation carries his name as one of them. After this date Brother Morton fades entirely out of the Alpha historical picture, and was not heard from in the after years.
5. The organizing abilities of Brother Eugene Kinkcle Jones were demonstrated not only in the development of the National Urban League, for which he is best known, but also in his leadership in correspondence and travel in establishing Beta Chapter at Howard University, Gamma Chapter at Virginia Union University, Delta Chapter at the University of Toronto, Canada, and the initiation of Brothers at Syracuse University. His leadership as President of Alpha Chapter was a conspicuous contribution to our early history. |
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Post by PHIRECHYLD on May 8, 2008 10:20:43 GMT -5
Wowwwwwwww...
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Post by mrknowitall on May 8, 2008 13:23:54 GMT -5
Hmmmmm who is John W. Fleming?  ? |
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Post by dappa on May 9, 2008 10:26:52 GMT -5
speaking of... I have a question for the Kappas. Why does your organization publicly celebrate a "founder's day" that one of your founders proved to be incorrect? Which founder said it was incorrect? |
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Post by tremab on May 10, 2008 16:02:47 GMT -5
your brother said it was in a book with the alleged Omega/Kappa merger...
check there.
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Post by frozenmenace on May 10, 2008 16:08:53 GMT -5
I thought it was an alleged Sigma/Kappa merger???
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Post by tremab on May 10, 2008 23:38:32 GMT -5
apparently, the Kappas and Omegas were talking about merging at one point as well...or so I'm told.
pretty funny "what if" scenario though.
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Post by Troopa1911 on May 12, 2008 17:24:32 GMT -5
ahahah not so much... one of ya'lls 07 brothers is just messy. another question ducked! ha
not ducking the question...however one founder seem to have another date in mind when looking back after 50 years had past.
All you need to know is Jan 5th 1911. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on May 15, 2008 10:58:40 GMT -5
apparently, the Kappas and Omegas were talking about merging at one point as well...or so I'm told. pretty funny "what if" scenario though. fuck NO! Man you've been listening to NOPEY to much. Their isnt in my research any proof of a Merge with them. For what? They definately as they do with the Sigmers can't use the war time excuse because Quiet as kept Omega was probably more liquid financially then any of the BGLO's because of our War Chapters. We had 7 of them and made soldiers into bruhz. So now instead of getting dues from college students we wrre getting it from soldiers who actually had viable income.. Folks always trying to attach themselves to greatness I tell ya. |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 11:08:50 GMT -5
apparently, the Kappas and Omegas were talking about merging at one point as well...or so I'm told. pretty funny "what if" scenario though. fuck NO! Man you've been listening to NOPEY to much. Their isnt in my research any proof of a Merge with them. For what? They definately as they do with the Sigmers can't use the war time excuse because Quiet as kept Omega was probably more liquid financially then any of the BGLO's because of our War Chapters. We had 7 of them and made soldiers into bruhz. So now instead of getting dues from college students we wrre getting it from soldiers who actually had viable income.. Folks always trying to attach themselves to greatness I tell ya.
Voodou, you are a at best UNIFORMED. It wasn't for finacial reasons, it was for EXPANSION. It was in 1914 that this potential Merger happened. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read of the Close Friendship of our Founders back when Elder and Byron were at Howard. Omega was in the East, Kappa was in the Middle West. We BOTH had our own interest. |
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 11:12:15 GMT -5
This is for you Voodou a letter from Jesse Jerome Peters to Founder Byron Kenneth Armstrong:
VA Hospital
Tuskegee, Alabama
March 27, 1953
Dr. B.K. Armstrong
926 Melbourne Street
Detroit, Michigan
Dear Byron,
"... During the year 1914, the only two events of significance that I can recall are as follows: - about the first of November in 1914, Diggs told me that he had received communication from the National President of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity suggesting a merger of the two organizations because we were established in the West and they in the East and were seeking rapid expansion by affecting a merger. Nothing came of the idea because neither of the organizations would sacrifice any part of their ritual. Diggs offered to initiate all of them into Kappa. This offer was refused. I can remember this incident because I had to take the final letter to be mailed on the night train..."
With kindest personal regards in which my wife joins, I am
Yours in the Bond,
J.J. Peters, M.D.
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Post by Nupey on May 15, 2008 11:22:01 GMT -5
^^^This Voodou is the Document that I possess on the matter. It was VERY common for orgs to merge in those days. You probably will discredit this letter though, all the same, its my responsibilty to post documents to any claims relating to my fraternity. At least you can SEE this letter, the supposed letter from KAY to PBS, we'll i've never seen or heard ANYBODY being able to quote it. :shrugs:
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