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Post by huey on Apr 8, 2008 14:20:22 GMT -5
In the MLK thread nupey said this Skip is often misinformed on the history of OTHER fraternities I usually adopt the phrase, "there's three sides to every story. Yours, their's and the truth" but at the same time feel that there is a kernel in truth in each parties perspective. The trouble with oral history is, well, it was never written down and thus rather difficult to varify it's "truthiness". My question members of greek organizations, what is your personal position on hearing history concerning your organization from other organizations. Is something "misinformation" just because it doesn't match "your" version? Or because it just isn't factual? |
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Post by Nupey on Apr 8, 2008 14:22:36 GMT -5
I usually only say things that are TRUE and have been documented about other orgs.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 8, 2008 14:32:30 GMT -5
Personal position? Except for one earnest effort to clear up confusion on the old OO, I just laugh and keep it moving. You don't realize what a chuckle I get when people say they have our history book (LOL). Many of the things I know I have either read (in documented format) or spoken with first hand eyewitness (initiated in the 40's, 30's and 20's) as well as old historic items (publications etc) that were in good agreement with those eye witness accounts. These things are generally NOT accessible to the public at large or even most Bruhz.
I mean it would be like me telling you I know your family history based off of public records, while you actually have scrap books, tapes, interviews and discussions with older members in your family about what happened.
So when people try to pronounce your history, how can you NOT be amused?
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Post by Southie on Apr 8, 2008 14:38:26 GMT -5
If the person telling the story is not a member of the org, the information provided is suspect. I have heard various stories about other orgs from people that were not in the org, which is very interesting in itself. Like Damie said, its funny when folks get to arguing over information, that they do no know the validity.
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 8, 2008 14:46:04 GMT -5
Agrees with Southie and Damie.
The person who thinks he KNOWS everything, will soon realize he knows NOTHING at all.
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Post by Cambist on Apr 8, 2008 15:02:41 GMT -5
Our history is very well documented and published. Rarely do I find too many people saying much about Alpha that is incorrect.
The thing I do hear quite often is that all of Alpha's founders were Freemasons and used the lessons of the craft to form Alpha's rituals and symbols.
Yeah, right.
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Post by Nupey on Apr 8, 2008 15:18:27 GMT -5
Personal position? Except for one earnest effort to clear up confusion on the old OO, I just laugh and keep it moving. You don't realize what a chuckle I get when people say they have our history book (LOL). Many of the things I know I have either read (in documented format) or spoken with first hand eyewitness (initiated in the 40's, 30's and 20's) as well as old historic items (publications etc) that were in good agreement with those eye witness accounts. These things are generally NOT accessible to the public at large or even most Bruhz.
I mean it would be like me telling you I know your family history based off of public records, while you actually have scrap books, tapes, interviews and discussions with older members in your family about what happened.
So when people try to pronounce your history, how can you NOT be amused? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 8, 2008 16:33:41 GMT -5
The only way to truly know history is to document, verify, and subject to peer review by other experts. I personally have not come across any Historian who has made such an effort on behalf of the D9 organizations.
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Post by akbarjones on Apr 9, 2008 8:31:47 GMT -5
How about errors in a particular organizations history book? Are those ever corrected in the updated editions?
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 9:07:04 GMT -5
How about errors in a particular organizations history book? Are those ever corrected in the updated editions? Clearly Akbar! What about blatant fallacies in other orgs histories? |
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Post by Cambist on Apr 9, 2008 9:16:29 GMT -5
Example, please....
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 9:36:51 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 9, 2008 9:49:08 GMT -5
Um... not to nitpick but Akbar said in org's history books... not websites. I've seen websites of all kinds with folklore and misinformation on it. Usually one group comes up with it, and others simply copy it.
Yes there were a number of errors on that Sigma site... but it isn't their history book. And ultimately - I just don't care... not about this, not about a website with obviously wrong information.
Just correct the Sigmas that believe it, and give the rest of them the benefit of the doubt. It's not like they all go around repeating this - very few that I know say anything like what this website contains. If they tout it on your campus and/or if you don't get along with the Sigmas around your way, then I could understand why this might be more important to you.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 10:53:22 GMT -5
Oral recitation of history (any history) is as reliable as a 5 year old's game of "Telephone"...
Websites are not official org. info...any schmo can create a website.
Um...black man negro named Damie...I know you got my text man! grrrrr...
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Post by Blu on Apr 9, 2008 10:53:55 GMT -5
If you don't see it on the National Website, there is no point in posting a link to every Chapter website you see that states what you consider an inaccuracy. I've read untrue statements written by other Fraternities, but I don't argue about it with every member of that Fraternity. |
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Post by Southie on Apr 9, 2008 11:28:27 GMT -5
Its interesting to see people taking the time to visit other org websites and check for what they perceive to be inaccuracies...according to their "history" book. Folklore, mystery, interesting entertainment, can be found on the web in general...again interesting.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 11:30:19 GMT -5
LOL @ Southie...
cuz they are p-r-e-s-s-e-d! after a few years in greekdom the "pressedness" usually wears off and the focus shifts...usually.
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Post by Southie on Apr 9, 2008 11:32:10 GMT -5
LOL @ Southie... cuz they are p-r-e-s-s-e-d! after a few years in greekdom the "pressedness" usually wears off and the focus shifts...usually. Oh! Now this explanation makes sense. Thanks Priss1913 |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Apr 9, 2008 12:05:44 GMT -5
exactly what is incorrect on the site <--------- slightly instigating... |
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 12:08:38 GMT -5
Reignman, are you a Sigma?
on that website it says
(Hon. Bros. Kwame Nkrumah, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, and Nelson Mandela)
Does the Hon abbreviation stand for Honorable or Honorary. I do not know about Azikiwe or Mandela, but im pretty sure Nkrumah wasn't an honorary member but pledged in college.
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 12:09:22 GMT -5
Reignman, are you a Sigma? on that website it says (Hon. Bros. Kwame Nkrumah, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, and Nelson Mandela) Does the Hon abbreviation stand for Honorable or Honorary. I do not know about Azikiwe or Mandela, but im pretty sure Nkrumah wasn't an honorary member but pledged in college. IMO, It means Honrable. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Apr 9, 2008 13:16:04 GMT -5
Reignman, are you a Sigma? |
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Post by Blu on Apr 9, 2008 13:26:13 GMT -5
Reignman, are you a Sigma? on that website it says (Hon. Bros. Kwame Nkrumah, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, and Nelson Mandela) Does the Hon abbreviation stand for Honorable or Honorary. I do not know about Azikiwe or Mandela, but im pretty sure Nkrumah wasn't an honorary member but pledged in college. The abbreviation is for Honorable not honorary. Nkrumah and Azikiwe became members at Lincoln University. Not sure why Nelson Mandela keeps getting thrown in the mix. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 10, 2008 15:11:04 GMT -5
Reignman, are you a Sigma? on that website it says (Hon. Bros. Kwame Nkrumah, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, and Nelson Mandela) Does the Hon abbreviation stand for Honorable or Honorary. I do not know about Azikiwe or Mandela, but im pretty sure Nkrumah wasn't an honorary member but pledged in college. IMO, It means Honrable. ROFLMAO... Nupey  smh... lol |
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Post by huey on Apr 14, 2008 8:47:27 GMT -5
How about errors in a particular organizations history book? Are those ever corrected in the updated editions? errors such as? |
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Post by Cambist on Jun 2, 2010 9:15:46 GMT -5
**bump**
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