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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 11:56:58 GMT -5
Like I said, espn...you could have saved ALLLLLLLL THAT BULLLLSHIIIIIIIITTTT!!  As for you nupey...you came to the board spewing flat-out lies that you claimed you were taught by your prophytes. As I asked you then, if your prophyte brothers told you the shit you came here proclaiming as fact, it makes me wonder who taught THEM that, and just what indeed is being taught in KAPsi? |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:58:17 GMT -5
And if you read his entire entry, you will see where he supports those statements. '
I guess you wanna play the FOX News role...take a "part" of something and spin it over and over.
After a review of the fratenity histories, I have a found a similar and quite disturbing pattern of what is a blatant omission of an important historical fact. That fact is that Alpha Phi Alpha was the first Greek letter fraternity for African-American college trained me to succeed. The second fact is that not one of the three history books of those who came behind us (namely Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi and Phi Beta Sigma) gives any credit to Alpha Phi Alpha in establishing the fraternal movement Not a single one. As a historian who recognizes that laying a foundation for any period of history, I find their omission inexcusable and without merit. Permit me to share some a few statements (and of course my personal commentary in between) from their books:
KAPPA ALPHA PSI:
Before it was Kappa Alpha Psi, it was Kappa Alpha Nu and before that it was Kappa Alpha Nu it was Alpha Omega
In the book The Story of Kappa Alpha Psi by William L. Crump(1983), the following statement is made in the prologue:
xxi. ...In the summer of 1910, Irven Armstrong was such a student. His cousin, Byron K. Armstrong, had attended Howard University during the 1909-1910 school year, and there had formed a friendship with Elder Watson Diggs. Both were approached by a fraternity, and both declined pledgeship because they disapproved the attitudes and actions of certain members.
(The only fraternity that could have approached these two men would have been Alpha Phi Alpha (Beta Chapter). It was the only fraternity on the campus of Howard University in the fall of 1910.
The Kappa's have noted that their distinction is that they are the only national Greek Letter organization with its Alpha Chapter on the Indiana campus. ( xxi)
The Kappa's history began in a very short lived organization called the Alpha Kappa Nu Greek Society established in 1903 at Indiana University. It was formed at Indiana University to "strengthen the black's voice."
In Chapter One, which is titled "The Beginning" it gives an overview of blacks who had graduated from college since the early 1800s and goes directly into how Diggs and Armstrong met, transferred to Indiana in the fall of 1910 and joined the small group of eight students. In its history book, there is no reference made to the founding of Alpha Phi Alpha at Cornell, nor the establishment of a chapter at Howard.
(What really happened between the two and Beta Chapter may be never known. Many rumors have circulated over the years that they were denied admittance to the pledge club. Of course as it is stated in their history book,"they were approached...and both declined pledgeship because they disapproved the
attitudes and actions of certain members" My conjecture on this statement is that there were some personality conflicts between one or the both of them and brothers of Beta. In the past, chapters had the sole decision on who to admit or not. When I was in undergraduate, we had an old familiar saying that we believed that person not to be" Alpha material." I must say we did a fairly good job of selecting brothers for our chapter and Beta in the fall of 1910 had their reasons for not selecting Diggs and Armstrong.)
As one continues to read the story of their founding there are obvious similarities to Alpha at Cornell, i.e., black students attending a predominately white campus, being denied use of entertainment and recreational facilities. Like the founders of Alpha who gathered at the homes of the black residents, the founders of Kappa gathered at the home of Mrs. Mollie Spaulding, a lodging place near the school. They met in her home for
fellowship and gave themselves a temporary name of "Alpha Omega." Several of their founders worked as waiters.
The writer of the Kappa History book does not succeed in making indirect statements about Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. For example, in the book it is stated:
"It was made clear at the outset that the new Fraternity (Kappa Alpha Nu) would not warm over principles or practices of other organizations. (WHAT ORGANIZATION COULD HE POSSIBLY BE REFERRING TO OTHER THAN ALPHA PHI ALPHA.) Nor, indeed, would or could the new Fraternity seek its members in the manner of better known Greek letter organizations-from among the sons of wealthy families, or families whose social positions were such as vicariously would give prestige. (ANOTHER POOR ATTEMPT AT MAKING AN INDIRECT REFERENCE TO ALPHA)
I am reminded of what Alpha founder George Biddle Kelley stated that we didn't find......)
As their organization took shape, several founders of Kappa took a course in Greek Heraldry and other studied Greek mythology.
SKIP-We can say that the Alpha founders were versed on Greek (Eugene Kinckle Jones' father taught Greek at Virginia Union). But a great deal of time was not spent on understanding the Greek's culture and history but studying and connection ancient African history to the foundation of Alpha. Callis spent his time trying to find out what the Greeks called Africans (Wesley, p. 23 Life and Legacy of Henry Arthur Callis) The only thing Greek about Alpha are our letters). Even the word frater is latin meaning brother. They chose names such as Polemarch for President, Grand Keeper of Records(Secretary), Grand Keeper of the Records and Exchequer(Treasurer) Grand Strategus. We say National Organization, they refer to it as Grand Chapter.
Their name was changed from Kappa Alpha Nu to Kappa Alpha Psi in 1915 due to racial slurs and the use of Nig(instead of Nu) by racist factions on the campus of Indiana University.
I noticed a few similarities between the shield of Kappa and Sigma:
Kappa Shield - Three stars, a hand shake gesture
Sigma's Shield- Three stars, a hand shake gesture, Fasces, Dove
(the Sigma's fasces is in the opposite direction of the Alpha's
ANOTHER OBSERVATION:
Kappa Hymn- "O Noble Kappa Alpha Psi, The Pride of all our hearts
Alpha Hymn - "Alpha Phi Alpha, the pride of our hearts
Kappa Hymn (First line of third stanza)- "When all our students days are done, And we from school must go."
Alpha hymn: "College days swiftly pass, imbued with mem'ries fond"
THE OMEGA PHI PSI CONSPIRACY:
Why did you exclude us from your history? We were your campus model!
In chapter one of the book "The History of the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, A Brotherhood of Negro College Men 1911-1939 by Herman Dreer, the following statement is made:
The founders of Omega Psi Phi had impressive credentials. They were a close band of three known as the "Three Musketeers" In the introduction of the book, the chapter titled "The Rise of College Presidents, " a history of fraternities is presented from the establishment of Phi Beta Kappa Society the establishment of Kappa Alpha at Union in 1825, which as the author states "was established with Phi Beta Kappa as a model." There is no mentioned of the establishment of Alpha Phi Alpha at Cornell. The writer goes on to say:
"The idea of Greek-letter fraternities at Negro institution of learning followed the same tendencies as indicated for students at other institutions of higher learning.. These organizations were purely social and had as their big objective the giving of an annual banquet...the general life span of these organizations was about two years. It was not until the early part of the twentieth century that Negro youth at Negro institution of higher learning seized upon the cultural heritage of the human race and especially upon the heritage of their forefathers...and established the national Greek letter fraternity, the Omega Psi Phi. In thus founding the first national Greek-letter fraternity to be organized at a Negro institution of higher learning, the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity pioneered and blazed the way for other fraternities that have followed.
Skip- What other fraternities? Kappa was charted May 15, 1911, (so they preceded Omega). The only other one was Phi Beta Sigma and maybe Iota Phi Theta, but that was in the sixties. No mention of Alpha Phi Alpha at all!!
If you're gonna tell the story...tell the WHOLE damned story!!!
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Post by water on Apr 9, 2008 12:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 12:05:27 GMT -5
robelite respectfully, what are you talking about? the last bold statement is from the omega psi phi section and is not no way connected to the statements in the kappa alpha psi section.
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 12:07:33 GMT -5
Like I said, espn...you could have saved ALLLLLLLL THAT BULLLLSHIIIIIIIITTTT!! As for you nupey...you came to the board spewing flat-out lies that you claimed you were taught by your prophytes. As I asked you then, if your prophyte brothers told you the shit you came here proclaiming as fact, it makes me wonder who taught THEM that, and just what indeed is being taught in KAPsi? Riiiiiiight......LOL! *moves on* |
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Post by akbarjones on Apr 9, 2008 12:39:01 GMT -5
It is obvious that it is human nature for someone in a greek org to have a biased towards their own and put out inaccurate information of another regarding history especially in the process of joining an org. As a GDI I've heard it all, the Alphas were financed by white people, the Kappa founders lost the bid to the Kappa chapter of Alpha for Indiana, Sigmas dropped line for Alpha at Howard, Omegas used to be online for Alpha, etc, etc, blah blah blah. Each org has been guilty of promoting their own b.s. to one up another. It's almost like election year politics. I've read all of Skips historical moments, histories books of bglo's, etc. And yes I know Skip personally, and interact with him on a regular basis no I am not an Alpha. From a neutral stand point in my opinion I feel that may have stretched to the conclusion about the origins of Kappa. I also don't feel each of the other greek orgs such as Kappa, Omega, and Sigma had to acknowledge Alpha in each of their respective history books for the simply fact they were writing about their own lineage. Skip is an excellent historian in regards to black history and I have seen his work up close in person and he has literally tens of thousands of articles, artifacts, books, etc.
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 12:44:56 GMT -5
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 13:12:57 GMT -5
It is obvious that it is human nature for someone in a greek org to have a biased towards their own and put out inaccurate information of another regarding history especially in the process of joining an org. As a GDI I've heard it all, the Alphas were financed by white people, the Kappa founders lost the bid to the Kappa chapter of Alpha for Indiana, Sigmas dropped line for Alpha at Howard, Omegas used to be online for Alpha, etc, etc, blah blah blah. Each org has been guilty of promoting their own b.s. to one up another. It's almost like election year politics. I've read all of Skips historical moments, histories books of bglo's, etc. And yes I know Skip personally, and interact with him on a regular basis no I am not an Alpha. From a neutral stand point in my opinion I feel that may have stretched to the conclusion about the origins of Kappa. I also don't feel each of the other greek orgs such as Kappa, Omega, and Sigma had to acknowledge Alpha in each of their respective history books for the simply fact they were writing about their own lineage. Skip is an excellent historian in regards to black history and I have seen his work up close in person and he has literally tens of thousands of articles, artifacts, books, etc.
But as a historian, isn't IT his RESPONSIBILITY to produce FACTS NOT opinions? |
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Post by Southie on Apr 9, 2008 13:35:47 GMT -5
...smh
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Post by Blu on Apr 9, 2008 13:46:50 GMT -5
We Shall Overcome One Day.....  |
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Post by water on Apr 9, 2008 13:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by Blu on Apr 9, 2008 13:54:32 GMT -5
I'm perfectly satisfied with my number of posts lol
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Post by water on Apr 9, 2008 13:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 16:25:15 GMT -5
It is obvious that it is human nature for someone in a greek org to have a biased towards their own and put out inaccurate information of another regarding history especially in the process of joining an org. As a GDI I've heard it all, the Alphas were financed by white people, the Kappa founders lost the bid to the Kappa chapter of Alpha for Indiana, Sigmas dropped line for Alpha at Howard, Omegas used to be online for Alpha, etc, etc, blah blah blah. Each org has been guilty of promoting their own b.s. to one up another. It's almost like election year politics. I've read all of Skips historical moments, histories books of bglo's, etc. And yes I know Skip personally, and interact with him on a regular basis no I am not an Alpha. From a neutral stand point in my opinion I feel that may have stretched to the conclusion about the origins of Kappa. I also don't feel each of the other greek orgs such as Kappa, Omega, and Sigma had to acknowledge Alpha in each of their respective history books for the simply fact they were writing about their own lineage. Skip is an excellent historian in regards to black history and I have seen his work up close in person and he has literally tens of thousands of articles, artifacts, books, etc.
But as a historian, isn't IT his RESPONSIBILITY to produce FACTS NOT opinions? I guess that depends on WHOSE historian he is...if you know it's incorrect, why does it matter what he says? *shrug* |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 9, 2008 17:12:36 GMT -5
I knew Akbar was going to come in here and say something, lol!
But riddle me this, why would you look to an Alpha to give you knowledge on Kappa, Omega, or Sigma? He can give you some, but not all because he is not a member.
That is like an interest going to an SGRho on advice about Zeta, Delta, or AKA.
Some things really are just common sense.
I'm SURE KAPsi hasn't authorize Skip's findings as official material for KAPsi, why get pissed off about it. Laugh and move on.
That is what I will do if someone outside my org. says things in abook that I know isn't true.
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 9, 2008 17:13:34 GMT -5
But as a historian, isn't IT his RESPONSIBILITY to produce FACTS NOT opinions? I guess that depends on WHOSE historian he is...if you know it's incorrect, why does it matter what he says? *shrug* And this is why you are my e-twin! Glad you back! |
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Post by Southie on Apr 9, 2008 17:14:41 GMT -5
But as a historian, isn't IT his RESPONSIBILITY to produce FACTS NOT opinions? I guess that depends on WHOSE historian he is...if you know it's incorrect, why does it matter what he says? *shrug* ...can't argue this point. |
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 17:27:20 GMT -5
I knew Akbar was going to come in here and say something, lol! But riddle me this, why would you look to an Alpha to give you knowledge on Kappa, Omega, or Sigma? He can give you some, but not all because he is not a member. That is like an interest going to an SGRho on advice about Zeta, Delta, or AKA. Some things really are just common sense. I'm SURE KAPsi hasn't authorize Skip's findings as official material for KAPsi, why get pissed off about it. Laugh and move on. That is what I will do if someone outside my org. says things in abook that I know isn't true. |
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Apr 9, 2008 17:27:28 GMT -5
<SMH>
Everyone in this discussion produces some very enlightening points. But one question riddles me when we speak about history... ARE WE AS PRODUCTS OF GREEK HISTORY REALLY DOING SOMETHING TO BETTER OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES WITH THE KNOWLEDGE WE OBTAIN?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 9, 2008 17:33:44 GMT -5
To answer Blacamus:ARE WE AS PRODUCTS OF GREEK HISTORY REALLY DOING SOMETHING TO BETTER OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITIES WITH THE KNOWLEDGE WE OBTAIN?
Hell no. Unless you count me taking this new found information on Dr. King and charging up my younger cousin that crossed Alpha last year... if you look at it with your head turned sideways that's growth... kinda  kinda
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 17:47:32 GMT -5
I knew Akbar was going to come in here and say something, lol! But riddle me this, why would you look to an Alpha to give you knowledge on Kappa, Omega, or Sigma? He can give you some, but not all because he is not a member. That is like an interest going to an SGRho on advice about Zeta, Delta, or AKA. Some things really are just common sense. I'm SURE KAPsi hasn't authorize Skip's findings as official material for KAPsi, why get pissed off about it. Laugh and move on. That is what I will do if someone outside my org. says things in abook that I know isn't true. Did you post any proof though, Nupey? I didnt see any. Post the link. (and not that website link either! lol) |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 17:48:20 GMT -5
I guess that depends on WHOSE historian he is...if you know it's incorrect, why does it matter what he says? *shrug* And this is why you are my e-twin! Glad you back! HEY! Where have you been all my life!! lol I need to go home..at work on OOA...lol |
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Apr 9, 2008 17:50:43 GMT -5
Well, I look @ it like this, Damie. With the information we obtain in the past are we looking for things that will motivate and inspire us as future leaders to move in the positive improvement of our society or continue to use history as a weapon to degrade and belittle our own?
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Post by Robelite on Apr 10, 2008 8:08:35 GMT -5
Like I said, espn...you could have saved ALLLLLLLL THAT BULLLLSHIIIIIIIITTTT!! As for you nupey...you came to the board spewing flat-out lies that you claimed you were taught by your prophytes. As I asked you then, if your prophyte brothers told you the shit you came here proclaiming as fact, it makes me wonder who taught THEM that, and just what indeed is being taught in KAPsi? Dumbass!! I NEVER claimed that the exchange we had about Alpha's expansion and KAPsi's founding was FACT. And none of what I told you're li'l ignorant ass has ANYTHING to do with what anybody taught me. You see, I can READ and discern on my own! I used information that I was KNOWLEDGEABLE about concerning Alpha's expansion, and the COINCIDENCES of it and the founding of your org. Hell, I never claimed it was truth! You're simply upset that you got called out for being the li'l imp that came here telling lies about your founding. Matter of fact, that SAME lie is what generated the exchange about the connection between Alpha's expansion, and your founding. It must suck like a persimmon to be po li'l you!  |
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Post by Nupey on Apr 10, 2008 8:22:47 GMT -5
And didnt you post LIES about K of A at IU? You been an alpha what 40 YEARS and you making up isht? You are a FOOL OLD MAN! I was a NEO then, You are STILL believing that ish that NEO' Alphas pass along! IDIOT!!!! Dumbass!! I NEVER claimed that the exchange we had about Alpha's expansion and KAPsi's founding was FACT. And none of what I told you're li'l ignorant ass has ANYTHING to do with what anybody taught me. You see, I can READ and discern on my own! I used information that I was KNOWLEDGEABLE about concerning Alpha's expansion, and the COINCIDENCES of it and the founding of your org. Hell, I never claimed it was truth! You're simply upset that you got called out for being the li'l imp that came here telling lies about your founding. Matter of fact, that SAME lie is what generated the exchange about the connection between Alpha's expansion, and your founding. It must suck like a persimmon to be po li'l you! |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 10, 2008 8:44:32 GMT -5
Dumbass!! I NEVER claimed that the exchange we had about Alpha's expansion and KAPsi's founding was FACT. And none of what I told you're li'l ignorant ass has ANYTHING to do with what anybody taught me. You see, I can READ and discern on my own! I used information that I was KNOWLEDGEABLE about concerning Alpha's expansion, and the COINCIDENCES of it and the founding of your org. Hell, I never claimed it was truth! You're simply upset that you got called out for being the li'l imp that came here telling lies about your founding. Matter of fact, that SAME lie is what generated the exchange about the connection between Alpha's expansion, and your founding. It must suck like a persimmon to be po li'l you! The LIE you told when you brought your silly ass to the forum claiming that Kappa was first (because of some AKNu ANuPi or some other name of the many y'all have had) claiming to be founded in 1903. So I guess you either forgot it, or because your prophytes cracked your big head open and POURED it in, you can't help but to believe it! That was the FIRST one you told. The SECOND was that your org was instrumental in Delta Sigma Theta's founding. I guess any greek-lettered org whose colors are red and white were assisted by KAPsi too, huh? LMAO!! ;D ;D Looks like it's YOUR memory that is slipping! Then again, I wouldn't even blame yours on Alzheimers. I call that just being PLAIN STUPID!  Now, care to share anything else your prophytes may have "TAUGHT" you? |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 10, 2008 10:09:45 GMT -5
I knew Akbar was going to come in here and say something, lol! But riddle me this, why would you look to an Alpha to give you knowledge on Kappa, Omega, or Sigma? He can give you some, but not all because he is not a member. That is like an interest going to an SGRho on advice about Zeta, Delta, or AKA. Some things really are just common sense. I'm SURE KAPsi hasn't authorize Skip's findings as official material for KAPsi, why get pissed off about it. Laugh and move on. That is what I will do if someone outside my org. says things in abook that I know isn't true. Then it matters, duhhhhhhhh. Like I said, if someone looks to an SGRho to get information about one of the D9 orgs., they lack common sense, period. By the way, don't assume you know anything about what I will and won't do. |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 10, 2008 10:11:25 GMT -5
Well, I look @ it like this, Damie. With the information we obtain in the past are we looking for things that will motivate and inspire us as future leaders to move in the positive improvement of our society or continue to use history as a weapon to degrade and belittle our own? Seems like some based off their actions on this board uses it for the latter, which is just sad. |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 10, 2008 10:13:41 GMT -5
No one says that it "matters" what he said. If someone post his "facts" on a PUBLIC MB, and I disagree then I'm going to show evidence. Why would I let missinformation about MY org go unchecked? Maybe thats what YOU DO, but not me. Then it matters, duhhhhhhhh. Like I said, if someone looks to an SGRho to get information about one of the D9 orgs., they lack common sense, period. By the way, don't assume you know anything about what I will and won't do. Wait, he said the Kappas were instrumental with helping the Deltas get started? Really?  Buahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha! |
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