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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 10:34:14 GMT -5
Nobody has any examples of misinformation? Akbar- regarding Alpha, one would hope he's not as misinformed as he is regarding is stated opinions on other BGLO's...Honestly, if you're really interested, he has a website that you can access. Draw an opinion from there.... His opinions on Kappa are so off base, it's almost embarrassing. He's made so many opinions off-target, that it's also too cumbersome to spell out. In fact, some of the things he's mentioned about Omega and Kappa are so off that a little common sense utilized would indicate even to a non-greek that he's likely wrong.... Other than that, I hear he's a swell guy ;D *Shrugs as well* |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 10:43:39 GMT -5
SEEEEEEEEEENNNNSSSSSEEI!!!!
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 10:49:37 GMT -5
Nobody has any examples of misinformation? Akbar- regarding Alpha, one would hope he's not as misinformed as he is regarding is stated opinions on other BGLO's...Honestly, if you're really interested, he has a website that you can access. Draw an opinion from there.... His opinions on Kappa are so off base, it's almost embarrassing. He's made so many opinions off-target, that it's also too cumbersome to spell out. In fact, some of the things he's mentioned about Omega and Kappa are so off that a little common sense utilized would indicate even to a non-greek that he's likely wrong.... Other than that, I hear he's a swell guy ;D *Shrugs as well* That's a BLANKET statement. Post a clear EXAMPLE of any misinformation you are claiming he's stated. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Apr 9, 2008 10:49:45 GMT -5
"While the colors and the symbols vary considerably, there is one fairly common combination- red, white, blue-dignifying, no doubt the patriotic sentiments of the members. "
That was an interesting "concept"... hmm..ok...
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:00:00 GMT -5
Akbar- regarding Alpha, one would hope he's not as misinformed as he is regarding is stated opinions on other BGLO's...Honestly, if you're really interested, he has a website that you can access. Draw an opinion from there.... His opinions on Kappa are so off base, it's almost embarrassing. He's made so many opinions off-target, that it's also too cumbersome to spell out. In fact, some of the things he's mentioned about Omega and Kappa are so off that a little common sense utilized would indicate even to a non-greek that he's likely wrong.... Other than that, I hear he's a swell guy ;D *Shrugs as well* That's a BLANKET statement. Post a clear EXAMPLE of any misinformation you are claiming he's stated. Did you not read the term "C-U-M-B-E-R-S-O-M-E" I just typed? You want clear Mr. Robelite? Here's clear for you.... It's fvcking clear that regarding other BLGO's, Skip Mason is way off target!Is that clear enough for you? |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:00:47 GMT -5
SEEEEEEEEEENNNNSSSSSEEI!!!! Heeeeeey The Priiiiiiiiis! |
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 9, 2008 11:01:15 GMT -5
Its very clear EPUN...clear that you are just talking out of your ass...lol.
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 11:05:01 GMT -5
I was the one who said and i too cringe at Skips portrayal of other organizations histories. reignman said I would always look sideways when he referred to other orgs. and i too agree, and thats why i disagree wit you coldfront when you say "He might offer his opinion on something, but he never tried to put it off as fact." Because i feel thats not the case, especially in Historical Moments #8. www.skipmason.com/hm/hm08.htmcase in point in his section on Kappa Alpha Psi The writer of the Kappa History book does not succeed in making indirect statements about Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. For example, in the book it is stated:
"It was made clear at the outset that the new Fraternity (Kappa Alpha Nu) would not warm over principles or practices of other organizations. (WHAT ORGANIZATION COULD HE POSSIBLY BE REFERRING TO OTHER THAN ALPHA PHI ALPHA.) Nor, indeed, would or could the new Fraternity seek its members in the manner of better known Greek letter organizations-from among the sons of wealthy families, or families whose social positions were such as vicariously would give prestige. (ANOTHER POOR ATTEMPT AT MAKING AN INDIRECT REFERENCE TO ALPHA) Skip wrongly assumes that because Kappa Alpha Psi would not "warm over principles or practices of other organizations" or "seek its members in the manner of better known Greek letter organizations-from among the sons of wealthy families, or families whose social positions were such as vicariously would give prestige." that they must be referring to Alpha Phi Alpha. Because as Skip says, "WHAT ORGANIZATION COULD HE POSSIBLY BE REFERRING TO OTHER THAN ALPHA PHI ALPHA". Let me answer the question for Skip. Quite a few organizations. You see, Alpha Phi Alpha was the first and only other Black Greek Collegiate Fraternity at the time, but why were Kappa Alpha Psi and Alpha Phi Alpha founded on their respective universities? Because they were excluded from participating in social activities offered only to the white students, activities such as being in WHITE FRATERNITIES. It is no secret that some of the Kappa Alpha Psi founders worked in these white fraternity frat houses. They probably longed to have something like that for themselves while at the same time not liking some of its practices or manner in which they sought members. So there's the answer to Skips question, "what other fraternity could they be talking about". It's The other fraternities KAPsi was talking about were the ones on their campus whom they had close contact with(either through working or just plain observation). Could they also be referring to A phi A? More than likely. But is that statement in direct reference to Alpha? No. I think Skip left out a whole lot of information to give the impression K A Psi was making an indirect reference to A phi A. That would only be true if Alpha was the only fraternity, but it is not, even if they believe it is so.  |
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 11:09:04 GMT -5
Akbar- regarding Alpha, one would hope he's not as misinformed as he is regarding is stated opinions on other BGLO's...Honestly, if you're really interested, he has a website that you can access. Draw an opinion from there.... His opinions on Kappa are so off base, it's almost embarrassing. He's made so many opinions off-target, that it's also too cumbersome to spell out. In fact, some of the things he's mentioned about Omega and Kappa are so off that a little common sense utilized would indicate even to a non-greek that he's likely wrong.... Other than that, I hear he's a swell guy ;D *Shrugs as well* That's a BLANKET statement. Post a clear EXAMPLE of any misinformation you are claiming he's stated.
Its safe to say, that Skip offeres up HIS OPINIONS as fact, and just like sheep, you guys just suck on his teet! |
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 9, 2008 11:10:27 GMT -5
^^^Is that misinformation, or is that Skip giving his opinion that the reference was to Alpha Phi Alpha? And you just admitted at the end that more than likely, Alpha Phi Alpha was included in that statement. To me, misinformation mean something stated as fact, that is incorrect.
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:13:59 GMT -5
^^^Is that misinformation, or is that Skip giving his opinion that the reference was to Alpha Phi Alpha? And you just admitted at the end that more than likely, Alpha Phi Alpha was included in that statement. To me, misinformation mean something stated as fact, that is incorrect. Cold, We must remember...this is Nupey...the same person that when he came to this forum spouted some foolishness about something he says his prophytes taught him. Not to rehash it, but we know that it was TOTALLY WRONG! Consider the source.  |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:14:23 GMT -5
Its very clear EPUN...clear that you are just talking out of your ass...lol. fuckin great....just great...LMAO! Cold, I don't have time to play in the sandbox with you today (although it is refreshing to see that we still get off to our "great starts"with each other..lol)...However, since we're half-ass speaking of Dr. MLK, Jr. here... Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness. ... This defines Skip Mason....and I'm likely understating it, still. The guy, in all his wisdom and glory, should stick to Alpha, and Alpha only. I realize your zeal to come to aid your brother, but misstating facts is just that...misstating facts. The saddest thing concerning Skip is that he had misinformed hundreds of people.... is this the "Light of Alpha", you speak of? |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:17:04 GMT -5
^^^Is that misinformation, or is that Skip giving his opinion that the reference was to Alpha Phi Alpha? And you just admitted at the end that more than likely, Alpha Phi Alpha was included in that statement. To me, misinformation mean something stated as fact, that is incorrect. That's conversation beaucracy....LMAO!...in other words, BULLSHYT! |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:19:06 GMT -5
That's a BLANKET statement. Post a clear EXAMPLE of any misinformation you are claiming he's stated. Did you not read the term "C-U-M-B-E-R-S-O-M-E" I just typed? You want clear Mr. Robelite? Here's clear for you.... It's fvcking clear that regarding other BLGO's, Skip Mason is way off target!Is that clear enough for you? And still NOTHING SPECIFIC! I know you're a Kappa, but damn..you do know what specificity means, or do you? |
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 11:19:46 GMT -5
coldfront, its no way around it. It's misinformation. He leaves out certain events and facts to give the impression that the sections from the history of Kappa Alpha Psi was directed to and only to Alpha Phi Alpha. While in fact that's not true, ie; misinformation.
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 9, 2008 11:21:36 GMT -5
I'll concede that Skip might be misinformed about Kappa Alpha Psi. How could he not be? Hell, even THEY can't decide on a name for that fraternity. K A Psi, Phi Nu Pi, K A Nu, A K Nu, etc, etc.
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:23:32 GMT -5
LOL @ Cold!!
It does kinda make you curious as to just what they'll be calling themselves next year, does it not?
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 11:24:56 GMT -5
I'll concede that Skip might be misinformed about Kappa Alpha Psi. How could he not be? Hell, even THEY can't decide on a name for that fraternity. K A Psi, Phi Nu Pi, K A Nu, A K Nu, etc, etc.
Insults now? Just because YOU don't know our history, doesn't mean its not valid! Why the insults!? Just face it, you ARE intrigued by our rich history and mystery!
Dont feel bad, I too am Interested in learning other people history, its what makes Us ALL what we are! |
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 9, 2008 11:25:59 GMT -5
Stop crying Nupe...lol. You've been asking for another Alpha/Kappa battle, now you have it.
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 11:27:19 GMT -5
Coldfront being childish, nupey being mature?
What the hell, this Freaky Friday or something?
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:31:07 GMT -5
Robe, unlike others, I rarely will engage in a debate for the sake of allowing people like you, who will go on for days, to attempt to "prove" and defend inconclusive bullshyt...
Now on the other hand, you are skilled at this...very skilled indeed. You have to excuse me, "you know I'm a Kappa", lol, so I do not have the intestinal fortitude nor the mental stealth to keep up with you and your quest to prove the indefensible...particularly for sake of you drawing this out b/c he's simply your fraternity brother....
I don't operate like that Robelite. Wrong is wrong. I will question a member of my Fraternity, whether Life member or neophyte, if the information given had flaws or is being misrepresented. That's what my character stands on...
If ANY member of Kappa on this board misrepresented himself and the Fraternity, I would treat him no differently than I would treat Mr. Skip Mason, with brute honesty and slice of humble pie.
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:32:22 GMT -5
I think the fact that someone who came to the board (the original board) proclaiming his organization was actually founded before Alpha Phi Alpha, questioning Bro. Mason's research and publications is just quite a bit of an oxymoron. If someone wants to have A REAL discussion as to the history of all our orgs...that's fine.
But when you presented yourself to other posters here with fraudulent information, you just tend to look a little suspect.
That's all I'm sayin'!
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 11:32:49 GMT -5
Stop crying Nupe...lol. You've been asking for another Alpha/Kappa battle, now you have it. Yeah...i forgot about that..lol |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:38:19 GMT -5
Robe, unlike others, I rarely will engage in a debate for the sake of allowing people like you, who will go on for days, to attempt to "prove" and defend inconclusive bullshyt... Now on the other hand, you are skilled at this...very skilled indeed. You have to excuse me, "you know I'm a Kappa", lol, so I do not have the intestinal fortitude nor the mental stealth to keep up with you and your quest to prove the indefensible...particularly for sake of you drawing this out b/c he's simply your fraternity brother.... I don't operate like that Robelite. Wrong is wrong. I will question a member of my Fraternity, whether Life member or neophyte, if the information given had flaws or is being misrepresented. That's what my character stands on... If ANY member of Kappa on this board misrepresented himself and the Fraternity, I would treat him no differently than I would treat Mr. Skip Mason, with brute honesty and slice of humble pie. epun, You could have saved all that bullshit!! I wasn't looking for ANY kind of debate with you. All I asked is that you designate a SPECIFIC instance to support what you were claiming about Skip's research. Hell, if indeed there was one and it could be concluded that it was..then that would have been fine, but nooooooo, you once again made a BLANKET statement! Hell, Bro. Mason is human, and as such, he is subject to human fallacy (i.e. a mistake or a misunderstanding of an historical event,) as are we all. You and some others took offense, and rather than being specific, you basically dismissed his writings and other information. I know Bro. Mason, and I know him to take his research (and the documentation thereof) very seriously. And he's not the type to post misinformation for the sake of embellishing Alpha or dismissing anyone else. If there is going to be a debate, let the REAL debate take place, and leave the sweeping remarks (because you may disagree with some of the results of his research,) alone! |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:42:33 GMT -5
I think the fact that someone who came to the board (the original board) proclaiming his organization was actually founded before Alpha Phi Alpha, questioning Bro. Mason's research and publications is just quite a bit of an oxymoron. If someone wants to have A REAL discussion as to the history of all our orgs...that's fine. But when you presented yourself to other posters here with fraudulent information, you just tend to look a little suspect. That's all I'm sayin'! Dude, really...and honestly. It just astounds me that you still hang your hat on something that Nupey said two years ago AND while he was fresh off the sands. You and I, as veterans in this game, know that members of your fraternity and mine, are guilty of perpetuating some God-awful information they learned on line.... I would think that your experience would lend you some rationality in discerning busllshyt from the truth. Nupey saying we're older than APA is no different than Skip stating that Kappa Alpha Psi stands for "Knights of Alpha at IU"...and for the love of God already, he's more than 20 years in the Alpha fold, so what gives dude?.... I can, undoubtbly, question Skip's info regarding Kappa. I cannot question his knowledge of Alpha, and never would. He should try my approach...it works better in the end |
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 11:45:02 GMT -5
Robe, unlike others, I rarely will engage in a debate for the sake of allowing people like you, who will go on for days, to attempt to "prove" and defend inconclusive bullshyt... Now on the other hand, you are skilled at this...very skilled indeed. You have to excuse me, "you know I'm a Kappa", lol, so I do not have the intestinal fortitude nor the mental stealth to keep up with you and your quest to prove the indefensible...particularly for sake of you drawing this out b/c he's simply your fraternity brother.... I don't operate like that Robelite. Wrong is wrong. I will question a member of my Fraternity, whether Life member or neophyte, if the information given had flaws or is being misrepresented. That's what my character stands on... If ANY member of Kappa on this board misrepresented himself and the Fraternity, I would treat him no differently than I would treat Mr. Skip Mason, with brute honesty and slice of humble pie. epun, You could have saved all that bullshit!! I wasn't looking for ANY kind of debate with you. All I asked is that you designate a SPECIFIC instance to support what you were claiming about Skip's research. Hell, if indeed there was one and it could be concluded that it was..then that would have been fine, but nooooooo, you once again made a BLANKET statement! Hell, Bro. Mason is human, and as such, he is subject to human fallacy (i.e. a mistake or a misunderstanding of an historical event,) as are we all. You and some others took offense, and rather than being specific, you basically dismissed his writings and other information. I know Bro. Mason, and I know him to take his research (and the documentation thereof) very seriously. And he's not the type to post misinformation for the sake of embellishing Alpha or dismissing anyone else. If there is going to be a debate, let the REAL debate take place, and leave the sweeping remarks (because you may disagree with some of the results of his research,) alone!
Robelite, He is a "respected" Historian! Historians don't sway statements or facts to the direction of THEIR opinions. Why did he state that "Kappa might have gotten the idea of starting a frat from Alpha" if he had NO documented proof of this? We can all agree that their were HUNDREDS of fraternities before alpha,and there were 3 BLACK fraterinited before Alpha. So why is ALPHA the only one Elder could've gotten the "idea" of starting a frat from? Inconclusive statements!!! He's a historian, so he should STATE WHAT HE KNOWS to be DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE! Correct?! |
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Post by Warner Fite on Apr 9, 2008 11:46:18 GMT -5
Robe, unlike others, I rarely will engage in a debate for the sake of allowing people like you, who will go on for days, to attempt to "prove" and defend inconclusive bullshyt... Now on the other hand, you are skilled at this...very skilled indeed. You have to excuse me, "you know I'm a Kappa", lol, so I do not have the intestinal fortitude nor the mental stealth to keep up with you and your quest to prove the indefensible...particularly for sake of you drawing this out b/c he's simply your fraternity brother.... I don't operate like that Robelite. Wrong is wrong. I will question a member of my Fraternity, whether Life member or neophyte, if the information given had flaws or is being misrepresented. That's what my character stands on... If ANY member of Kappa on this board misrepresented himself and the Fraternity, I would treat him no differently than I would treat Mr. Skip Mason, with brute honesty and slice of humble pie. epun, You could have saved all that bullshit!! I wasn't looking for ANY kind of debate with you. All I asked is that you designate a SPECIFIC instance to support what you were claiming about Skip's research. Hell, if indeed there was one and it could be concluded that it was..then that would have been fine, but nooooooo, you once again made a BLANKET statement! Hell, Bro. Mason is human, and as such, he is subject to human fallacy (i.e. a mistake or a misunderstanding of an historical event,) as are we all. You and some others took offense, and rather than being specific, you basically dismissed his writings and other information. I know Bro. Mason, and I know him to take his research (and the documentation thereof) very seriously. And he's not the type to post misinformation for the sake of embellishing Alpha or dismissing anyone else. If there is going to be a debate, let the REAL debate take place, and leave the sweeping remarks (because you may disagree with some of the results of his research,) alone! Oh, I see...now the guy is fvcking "human" and so now, he gets a pass after all the bullllllllshyt he's spoken on. We dismissed his "research" on Kappa...nothing else. So what in God's name are you talking about? GETTHEfuckOUTTAHEREWITHYOBULLSHYTANDHIS! LMAO....MAOL....AOLM....OLAM! |
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Post by Nupey on Apr 9, 2008 11:47:10 GMT -5
LMAO!!!!
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Post by Robelite on Apr 9, 2008 11:50:41 GMT -5
Like I said, espn...you could have saved ALLLLLLLL THAT BULLLLSHIIIIIIIITTTT!!  As for you nupey...you came to the board spewing flat-out lies that you claimed you were taught by your prophytes. As I asked you then, if your prophyte brothers told you the shit you came here proclaiming as fact, it makes me wonder who taught THEM that, and just what indeed is being taught in KAPsi? |
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Post by huey on Apr 9, 2008 11:51:16 GMT -5
And he's not the type to post misinformation for the sake of embellishing Alpha or dismissing anyone else. Historical Moments 8 is basically a post of misinformatin about the other black greek fraternities for the sake of embellishing Alpha. I mean he even titled the post "Revisionist Fraternities: The Kappa, Omega, Sigma Conspiracy. Why have you omitted Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity from its rightful place in your history book? by Skip Mason You made us call his bluff, now you got excuses? LOLOLO |
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