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Post by Nupey on Jan 31, 2008 12:53:35 GMT -5
e-parents? no but the stipulations for the only forums were given up front. those who chose to disregard them knew the consequences, and now are dealing with them. that's life. |
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Post by GorgeousNgreen on Jan 31, 2008 12:55:07 GMT -5
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Post by AlphaMale on Jan 31, 2008 14:58:04 GMT -5
Ya'll are full of crap is what ya'll are. Stop trying to pretend that all I do is complain because that's blatantly disingenuous. And also, don't pretend you're some sort of victim. Get over yourselves. I mean really... Ya'll act like ya'll are NYPD with ya badges blazing.
When you took the board offline you should have said why you did so in the first place. You knew what you were doing. Did you not think anyone would have a question as to why?
Look, ya'll can have shitty policies and get all upset and cry on each others' shoulders or whatever you want. I don't care. But keep your bs to yourself. If you're gonna bring it, you better bring it with truth. Keep your e-thuggin to a minimum, thanks.
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Post by Nupey on Jan 31, 2008 15:25:43 GMT -5
Pretty Much AM,
All this e-police is bullchyt...I'm a grown man...I dont need you TELLING me how to post and where to post...I didnt try to go in the womens thread so its shouldn't be a problem....
Its all this "sweet-ness" floating around the board that I dont like...
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Post by Julie Art on Jan 31, 2008 15:26:37 GMT -5
AM, calm it down. Really, it isn't this serious.
And everyone, let the admins do their job. If you don't like what is being done, you always have the option to leave the board, and not come back.
Just a thought.
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Post by Nupey on Jan 31, 2008 15:28:05 GMT -5
AM, calm it down. Really, it isn't this serious. And everyone, let the admins do their job. If you don't like what is being done, you always have the option to leave the board, and not come back. Just a thought. |
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Post by Fraternal Design on Jan 31, 2008 15:29:05 GMT -5
^^^ He knows about the poll.
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Post by GorgeousNgreen on Jan 31, 2008 15:32:13 GMT -5
AM, honestly I am sort of offended.
The "only" sections of the board are the only ones that are "protected" so to say. We are not trying to babysit the whole board.
What do you suggest that we do in the event that you post something sensitive and someone from the mens board gives the pwd to a chick and your issues are all aired and spread?
Lets just say that happens even if you do not intend to post like that irl.
What if it happens to someone else..? what do we do?
The smart thing to do #1 is to keep people from accessing the board
#2 - is to let everyone know why when the reasons are found.
#3 - is to up security a tad bit.
I mean, its the exact same thing that happens in the event a gunman has hostages in a building.
First thing they do is seal it off so that people can't get in or out.
Then u hear from the media as things are developing.
Its not a shitty policy, its just protecting the other members of the board.
If you look at the counts we have over 100 members now, and everyone doesnt feel the same way.
What is the purpose of men or women only if people cant stay in their sections?
So what do you thnk we should do, because I am all for trying to make this as fair as possible.
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Post by AlphaMale on Jan 31, 2008 15:32:57 GMT -5
We had a ban Tux poll? Wow...
Didn't he say that he didn't do it?
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Post by Nupey on Jan 31, 2008 15:45:34 GMT -5
He did say that AM......
Its too much Government around these parts...
On OO, YOU NEVER saw SH
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Post by AlphaMale on Jan 31, 2008 16:33:16 GMT -5
That's definitely true and I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that there weren't "private" forums.
GNG, I don't know why you're offended. You guys were the ones in here acting all high and mighty insulting me. My posts have been very clear about my specific issues. But I don't like arguing so I'm just gonna "fall back" as was suggested earlier.
Do you, everyone. Do you.
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Post by Julie Art on Jan 31, 2008 16:33:23 GMT -5
AM, calm it down. Really, it isn't this serious. And everyone, let the admins do their job. If you don't like what is being done, you always have the option to leave the board, and not come back. Just a thought. Invite him. Was that suppose to be a threat to someone? Seriously? Last time I heard, he did try to sign up for the board, twice and was denied. And you aren't telling him anything he doesn't know. I have been to G9 recently and he posted something about it, sooooooooooooooooooo. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jan 31, 2008 16:38:39 GMT -5
Here is the point that everyone seems to be missing.
If you are disgruntled, I mean cool, air it, but some are taking this entriely too far with your innuendos.
GNG was nice enough to go and make us a substitue board for us when the other one went down. She has 2 people who she felt could do the job become admins as well.
Yes, SH wasn't on all the time. This is a COMPLETLEY different board, and maybe if he was around more often, we wouldn't be on this board but on the other one right now.
Point is, they are the admins. If you are that upset about something, if you disapprove something that much, leave. You always have that option because this back and forth isn't going to change anything. The admins are still going to do what they see fit for the board.
And for the most part, I'm very pleased.
Maybe what you all should be doing, is instead of bashing the admins, talk to those who had access to the mens forum about what occured to make them shut it down. That is logical to me.
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Post by GorgeousNgreen on Jan 31, 2008 16:56:29 GMT -5
AM, I'm offended because you say that we are full of crap and the policy is shitty and you came attacking us when fratd was doing what he knew best to do.
I cant remember who came to me with the idea of the men and women only sections but i know that it is in the Suggestions category. They said that they wanted it for men only and women only.
Now with that, we all expect folk to remain in their proper houses.
This board has a little more features and functionality than the other one - so thats why we have a presence.
AM when we first put the board up, I got PM'd multiple messages about security about the only sections - that is why I put the disclaimer up. Men AND women Pm'd me about security.
When word spread about the board being up - A LOT of people PM'd me about Tux. I let the board decide about that. It doesnt matter if IT REALLY HAPPENED, all you need is some speculation.
To be completely honest. I didnt even know about that Tux stuff until people PM'd me, that is why we put the poll up because some people KNEW stuff and others heard stuff, and the consensus was that people didnt feel safe. If the board voted yes, then we would've let him in. The board spoke.
What can i do? I am being fair, and I dont feel like our policies are shitty.
I am not being high and mighty, but where is OO now?
would you like it if I hacked into people's accounts?
what if I PM"d someone from your account?
what if I changed up your posts?
what if i got into the mens forum and posted everything in the womens' forum?
I dont see that as being an honest and fair admin.
I let the board decide. When i put up the disclaimer - i didnt see people saying thats not right GNG, in fact I got acknowledgments from a lot of people via PMs.
I mean to be fair we can take a poll and see if we even want to have a men or womens only section anymore if it is going to make people go off....but i respond bc i am concerned.
And just to add, you didnt see SH and Cam because there was not a lot of need to. They were good admins.
If you notice - we ONLY respond to crap dealing with these only sections, and the bottom line is people need to read. In the disclaimer I put "if the admins hear about any foul play that was grounds for closing it"
To be fair now, most prefer just a ban.
I try to respond to every PM i get, and I work full time for the man. When someone is concerned or brings up a good suggestion i try to implement it asap.
I try to make changes quickly.
I dont feel like I was insulting you at all, I am tring to be understanding of everyone's issues whether it be "I dont like the forum color" to "I cant log in " to "why cant I exalt or smite"
This isnt my board its home to everyone, but we do have to make sure that the password protected forums are protected. Whats the point if they arent?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 31, 2008 19:25:21 GMT -5
I'm glad I waited to type this cause I was heated earlier today.
I don't have a problem with having adjunct admins, it's more work than one person can do so it makes sense to delegate. But it was always my belief that the admins acted as caretakers for the infrastructure, not military tribunal.
You point out correctly that we OO, decided what the color should be, who can join, and what it would look like - the admins administered it.
Did that happen today? No.
I witnessed what happened today in the Men's section and I didn't think the action taken was called for at all - not for the reason given (security). Afterall, myself and others asked that the password to the men's section be changed long before today and the response was that our admin MIGHT change it but that security was not his main concern. As you can imagine I rested easier that night because it was not HIS main concern.
What happened today IMO was a personal stand-off between Nupe and FratD. FratD issued an ultimatum, when Nupe refused to comply, the hammer came down. There was no vote, there was no security concern, there was just an exercise of power.
Let's ignore the whole security canard for right now. Let's say FratD was concerned about security and had actual belief that it had been compromised (neither of these things is true in my opinion but let's assume that they were) - you take down the forum and then you communicate with who? What group was consulted about what should be done? The Men of the forum? No. Again we get no vote. We get to hear what the admins decided was best for all of us, without talking to (apparently) any of us.
In any event, do whatever it is you like (it appears that's what's going to happen anyway). It's a free world right? You don't have to listen to anyone's concerns - you're not getting paid for this, and they don't have to post here. This isn't anyone's job. As has been pointed out several times those who don't like it can go elsewhere.
This attitude is one that will not serve any of us here well - but we are all free to adopt it. Regardless of how SH and Cam might have administered OO, what we learned from the crash of OO v1 was that no one OWNS OO. You can have rights to a site or a domain name, you can change or restrict posts, but the fabric of what OO is NOBODY owns and NOBODY rules. If you get in the habit of making decisions as though either were true - you will find that administration will become very easy because there will be few people who stay and acquiesce to it.
There. That's one man's opinion. Hate it or Love it.
*Logs off*
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Post by coldfront06 on Jan 31, 2008 19:35:26 GMT -5
For what its worth, I have to say I agree. I didn't feel that what happened was a security concern and thats now how I personally would have handled it, but I'm not admin so I guess that doesn't matter.
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Post by Fraternal Design on Jan 31, 2008 19:45:01 GMT -5
Damie, as I said to you before -- changing the password will not make a difference among the men of OOA who insist on running their mouths.
That is true even with the current password change.
I followed the spirit of the rules governing the private forums.
Never was I heated -- if you were, I'm glad you took a break from the board today.
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Post by Julie Art on Jan 31, 2008 19:47:30 GMT -5
I'm glad I waited to type this cause I was heated earlier today.
I don't have a problem with having adjunct admins, it's more work than one person can do so it makes sense to delegate. But it was always my belief that the admins acted as caretakers for the infrastructure, not military tribunal.
You point out correctly that we OO, decided what the color should be, who can join, and what it would look like - the admins administered it.
Did that happen today? No.
I witnessed what happened today in the Men's section and I didn't think the action taken was called for at all - not for the reason given (security). Afterall, myself and others asked that the password to the men's section be changed long before today and the response was that our admin MIGHT change it but that security was not his main concern. As you can imagine I rested easier that night because it was not HIS main concern.
What happened today IMO was a personal stand-off between Nupe and FratD. FratD issued an ultimatum, when Nupe refused to comply, the hammer came down. There was no vote, there was no security concern, there was just an exercise of power.
Let's ignore the whole security canard for right now. Let's say FratD was concerned about security and had actual belief that it had been compromised (neither of these things is true in my opinion but let's assume that they were) - you take down the forum and then you communicate with who? What group was consulted about what should be done? The Men of the forum? No. Again we get no vote. We get to hear what the admins decided was best for all of us, without talking to (apparently) any of us.
In any event, do whatever it is you like (it appears that's what's going to happen anyway). It's a free world right? You don't have to listen to anyone's concerns - you're not getting paid for this, and they don't have to post here. This isn't anyone's job. As has been pointed out several times those who don't like it can go elsewhere.
This attitude is one that will not serve any of us here well - but we are all free to adopt it. Regardless of how SH and Cam might have administered OO, what we learned from the crash of OO v1 was that no one OWNS OO. You can have rights to a site or a domain name, you can change or restrict posts, but the fabric of what OO is NOBODY owns and NOBODY rules. If you get in the habit of making decisions as though either were true - you will find that administration will become very easy because there will be few people who stay and acquiesce to it.
There. That's one man's opinion. Hate it or Love it.
*Logs off* OK, so what happened is becoming more clear. Maybe the MEN need to talk this out within the MENS forum, i.e. open it up for that purpose, cause only you all know what happened and it effects you all, soooo. But yeah, I kinda have a better understanding now. Kinda. |
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Post by Fraternal Design on Jan 31, 2008 19:52:25 GMT -5
The Men's Forum has been open all day since noon and only one person had a question or comment.
But that's usually how it is -- guys tend to say things to criticize each other publicly rather than privately, especially when there are women involved.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 31, 2008 19:57:29 GMT -5
O--nosy.
O--wants to know the full story.
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Post by LejaOMG on Jan 31, 2008 20:05:14 GMT -5
^^newsy
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Post by msurbana on Jan 31, 2008 20:15:05 GMT -5
ROFLMAO!!!!! HEEEYYY SWEETIE??!! O--misses Leja terribly (hugs) I have REALLY trained myself not to use that "word". |
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Post by coldfront06 on Jan 31, 2008 20:21:06 GMT -5
I think the main issue is administrative decisions that are made without any input from the people affected by that decision. When I registered for this board, I thought GnG was the only administrator. I was fine with that, because before every decision, she sought input. She even personally PMed me a few times to ask what I thought about some things. She earned the benefit of the doubt from me, that she was actually trying to give people what they wanted.
Thats not happening AT ALL when it comes to the private forums. A decision that NOBODY agrees with is probably a bad decision. The first time that the forums were suspended...nobody wanted that to happen. I understand that the admins think they are protecting the privacy of the forums. But if we don't care...then why do you?? LOL. We don't seem to have any "say so" in the happenings of OUR forums.
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Post by FULLOFME on Jan 31, 2008 20:59:32 GMT -5
I think that we should all remember that the "private" forums are public and should not be taken as an avenue to be say things that you don't want to be repeat or shared. The point of the forum to me is for each of the sexes to discuss issues and topics that are more comfortable amongst your own gender. Anyone who is using the club houses as anything other than a public forum and not realizing that the only real limitation what sex accesses the information should really reconsider their position. Each of us should be using the same discretion in the club houses as we do in the open areas as it relates to our personal information. The club house are exclusive but by no means private.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 31, 2008 21:02:53 GMT -5
Admins I say don't sweat it AT ALL! I see the new voter poll. But if you know you warned folks let them be mad! That's how I feel. It's the price of leadership. Leadership always fall under scrutiny.
When folks started getting bucky with topics on main forum yall did not shut that down at all. You let people have free range.
Yet yall warned folks this would happen with the club houses!
I think you all are doing a good job and I don't appreciate the fact that folks got yall upset.
Ungreatful heathens. LOL
This message does not include Cold, because he is my sponsor. LOLOLOLOL
Im serious though. I think folks should air their woes, let them---but stick to your guns!!
Once again yall are doing AN EXCELLENT JOB!.
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Post by coldfront06 on Jan 31, 2008 21:05:35 GMT -5
The admins are doing a great job. But I think that just as we should thank them and let them know when we agree, we should criticize them and let them know when we disagree. Its the American way...lol. I'm not ungrateful at all. But just because you did me a favor, doesn't mean you're above criticism...lol.
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Post by FatalDST on Jan 31, 2008 21:19:37 GMT -5
Pretty Much AM, All this e-police is bullchyt...I'm a grown man...I dont need you TELLING me how to post and where to post...I didnt try to go in the womens thread so its shouldn't be a problem.... Its all this "sweet-ness" floating around the board that I dont like... Its real easy to deal with that... go elsewhere! No one made you come here! It was your choice, deal with the rules or bounce! Whoever doesnt like it can kick fucking rocks til they break a toe for all I care! You arent going to go up in to your job trying to regulate shit! You arent going to go up in your org regulating shit. You arent going to go up in your church regulating shit. So dont come up in here thinking you are going to regulate shit! |
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Post by FULLOFME on Jan 31, 2008 21:22:29 GMT -5
I think each of us should consider PUTTING YOURSELF IN THEIR SHOES...
All of us are new to this adminstration including the admins. I think they are doing a wonderful job and especially since they have agreed to do this in response to an immediate/urgent need. It was not in their own time and space yet in rushed, meet the need response. I say give them a chance to work things out in their own way because remember they know their limits for moderating this board better than we do. Give them the benefit of the doubt that they are doing things in a way that is manageable for the time and effort that have to offer for administration of the board. I am not against criticism but it should be constructive and not just to complain or be insulting and IMO at the end of the day, they are doing us a FAVOR...act accordingly
Keep up the good work GNG, QS and FratD
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Post by msurbana on Jan 31, 2008 21:27:07 GMT -5
Cold I actually agree. I stated folks should be given the room to air their issues.
However I do not think the Admins should change to every little cry.
Warnings were given about the club house. Hayle, I even complained when they first got shut down.
However to unnecessarily criticize and compare admin styles is not only unfair but ungreatful IMO( which is why I left you out mostly)--because you did not attack the admin style. You simply stated your problem.
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Post by FatalDST on Jan 31, 2008 21:30:53 GMT -5
I mean really... we all found some solice in the only sections.. if you didnt, you wouldnt be complaining. I would think if you want to keep the section you would honor the code to keep it!
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