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Post by LejaOMG on Mar 13, 2012 9:56:04 GMT -5
"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live." -Martin Luther King Jr.
Do you put any stock in this concept? Is there anything that you consider more important than your life?
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Post by QueenOH on Mar 13, 2012 9:58:22 GMT -5
My son is more important than my life.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 13, 2012 11:45:17 GMT -5
"If a man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live." -Martin Luther King Jr. Do you put any stock in this concept? Is there anything that you consider more important than your life? |
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Post by Chal™ on Mar 13, 2012 13:04:46 GMT -5
There are people for whom I'd willing die, but a "cause" just isn't doing it for me.
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 13, 2012 15:37:00 GMT -5
I am sure family is important to all of us. So putting family in it's own "die for package", I would not stand by while one of my students is being bullied, humiliated. Fear takes a back seat when the rights of others are being violated. I identify 100% with the author of the quote.
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Post by LejaOMG on Mar 13, 2012 16:05:14 GMT -5
Does anyone feel strongly enough about their religion that they would choose death if the only other option was something that you believe God prohibits? Stated alternatively, would anyone be willing to set aside God's favor if it meant saving your life?
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 13, 2012 16:23:44 GMT -5
Does anyone feel strongly enough about their religion that they would choose death if the only other option was something that you believe God prohibits? Stated alternatively, would anyone be willing to set aside God's favor if it meant saving your life? No. My life is in God's hands. Because of His Favor I have life. I would never forsake my Blessing for anything. |
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Post by Chal™ on Mar 13, 2012 16:28:03 GMT -5
When you word it like that, I can say no. That question reminds of something I heard a while back. Not really sure how true the story is or even where it supposedly took place, but apparently there was a guy going around putting a gun to people's heads and asking them if they believe in God and that Jesus died for their sins, daring them to say yes. He supposedly told them that if they answered in the affirmative, he would shoot them.
According to the story all but the last person said no. The last guy, however, was said to say "Yes, I believe in God and, yes, I know that Jesus bled and died for my sins. I also believe that this moment right here, right now, is in God's hands." When the guy pulled the trigger supposedly the gun jammed.
I don't know what happened next, or even if it really happened, but I did like the message.
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 13, 2012 16:33:12 GMT -5
When you word it like that, I can say no. That question reminds of something I heard a while back. Not really sure how true the story is or even where it supposedly took place, but apparently there was a guy going around putting a gun to people's heads and asking them if they believe in God and that Jesus died for their sins, daring them to say yes. He supposedly told them that if they answered in the affirmative, he would shoot them. According to the story all but the last person said no. The last guy, however, was said to say "Yes, I believe in God and, yes, I know that Jesus bled and died for my sins. I also believe that this moment right here, right now, is in God's hands." When the guy pulled the trigger supposedly the gun jammed. I don't know what happened next, or even if it really happened, but I did like the message. That sounds like Columbine, Chardon or some school shooting. Seems I heard this too. God will take care of you. If it is your time, He will come for yOu no matter what. It is in Heaven where you will have to answer the question ...FOR REAL. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Mar 13, 2012 16:34:06 GMT -5
I feel the same way as Chal and Oksana.
General scenario: suppose a person found a certain medical procedure morally objectionable because of their faith. For example, a woman (say, a friend of yours) with a high-risk pregnancy is told by a doctor that she should have a therapeutic abortion to save her life. Her religious belief absolutely, unequivocally precludes abortion (and does not provide loopholes for special circumstances). She says "let God's will be done" and refuses the abortion. Is this problematic for you? How would you react if someone who didn't share her beliefs encouraged her to overlook the scriptural principle just this once in order to preserve her life?
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 13, 2012 16:51:12 GMT -5
I feel the same way as Chal and Oksana. General scenario: suppose a person found a certain medical procedure morally objectionable because of their faith. For example, a woman (say, a friend of yours) with a high-risk pregnancy is told by a doctor that she should have a therapeutic abortion to save her life. Her religious belief absolutely, unequivocally precludes abortion (and does not provide loopholes for special circumstances). She says "let God's will be done" and refuses the abortion. Is this problematic for you? How would you react if someone who didn't share her beliefs encouraged her to overlook the scriptural principle just this once in order to preserve her life? I don't believe anyone should try to persuade someone to go against his/her beliefs.....especially a non-believer. Let's say she does allow the doctors to go through the abortion and it indeed saves her life, she will have a heck of a time living with the guilt. She will be confessing her sin forever and possibly having a mental breakdown. You have to be able to live with yourself with every decision you make. God giveth and God taketh away. A non- believer should stay in his/her non-believing lane. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Mar 13, 2012 20:15:26 GMT -5
Oksana, this is not the first time I have heard you make reference to "non-believers" in a somewhat derisive way. What does that term mean to you? Did you see me make reference to that construct in my example? If so, can you help me to see it?
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 13, 2012 21:57:02 GMT -5
I feel the same way as Chal and Oksana. General scenario: suppose a person found a certain medical procedure morally objectionable because of their faith. For example, a woman (say, a friend of yours) with a high-risk pregnancy is told by a doctor that she should have a therapeutic abortion to save her life. Her religious belief absolutely, unequivocally precludes abortion (and does not provide loopholes for special circumstances). She says "let God's will be done" and refuses the abortion. Is this problematic for you? How would you react if someone who didn't share her beliefs encouraged her to overlook the scriptural principle just this once in order to preserve her life?
Did I get the wrong impression? |
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Post by LejaOMG on Mar 14, 2012 9:03:23 GMT -5
Yes, I think wires were crossed somewhere. I'm not speaking about people who believe in God vs. people who don't. In fact, when I thought up the example I thought specifically of Job and his wife. Both of them were "believers" but apparently, they had different perspectives of the same situation. Because Christianity is so diverse, there are a wealth of different ideas regarding the same few topics. For example, certain Christians find certain medical procedures objectionable (e.g. therapeutic abortion, blood transfusion), while other Christians (also believers) see no problem with the same procedures.
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 14, 2012 14:25:18 GMT -5
Yes, I think wires were crossed somewhere. I'm not speaking about people who believe in God vs. people who don't. In fact, when I thought up the example I thought specifically of Job and his wife. Both of them were "believers" but apparently, they had different perspectives of the same situation. Because Christianity is so diverse, there are a wealth of different ideas regarding the same few topics. For example, certain Christians find certain medical procedures objectionable (e.g. therapeutic abortion, blood transfusion), while other Christians (also believers) see no problem with the same procedures.
Although, it can be interpreted that Mrs Job was an unbeliever because she truly believed in something else. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Mar 14, 2012 14:39:19 GMT -5
Yes, I think wires were crossed somewhere. I'm not speaking about people who believe in God vs. people who don't. In fact, when I thought up the example I thought specifically of Job and his wife. Both of them were "believers" but apparently, they had different perspectives of the same situation. Because Christianity is so diverse, there are a wealth of different ideas regarding the same few topics. For example, certain Christians find certain medical procedures objectionable (e.g. therapeutic abortion, blood transfusion), while other Christians (also believers) see no problem with the same procedures.
Although, it can be interpreted that Mrs Job was an unbeliever because she truly believed in something else.Are you purposely using "unbeliever" as a prejorative term? If so, that's your right, but I'm just curious. Do you generally regard anyone who arrives at a different interpretation of the bible than you to be an unbeliever? |
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Post by Oldskool on Mar 14, 2012 14:46:37 GMT -5
I do see you point.
Although, it can be interpreted that Mrs Job was an unbeliever because she truly believed in something else. Are you purposely using "unbeliever" as a prejorative term? If so, that's your right, but I'm just curious. Do you generally regard anyone who arrives at a different interpretation of the bible than you to be an unbeliever? |
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