|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 12:37:21 GMT -5
This common(-ly misinterpreted) phrase comes from Hebrews 13:4. In full, it says: "Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers"
what does this mean to you? why? Is there any activities that should be off-limits for married couples or are all bets off? run it, please!
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 13:06:43 GMT -5
For example (for the eye-hustlers)... is ok for a married couple to:
have sex in positions other than missionary
be swingers
participate in S&M type stuff
have threesomes
engage in anal
engage in oral
view porn
?
|
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 13:07:38 GMT -5
Marriage bed being defiled has to do with adulterers....
Once we become one in God's names... Im doing you however you will let me do you.... GUILT FREE...
|
|
|
|
Post by Rare_Commodity on Jul 6, 2011 13:13:36 GMT -5
**Modified**
I agree it is ok to do some of them except swinging, threesomes & anal now thatmay be doing too damn much! But with enough alcohol I may try one...
|
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 13:30:47 GMT -5
have sex in positions other than missionary - Yes
be swingers - No
participate in S&M type stuff - I mean if its your thing
have threesomes - unfortunately no
engage in anal - If its your thing
engage in oral - Postively, Absolutely, Universally YES
view porn - Yes
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 13:35:29 GMT -5
Now the porn thing...do you believe it is acceptable for single people to view it? If not, what is different about being married that should make it permissible? #realquestions
|
|
|
|
Post by Rare_Commodity on Jul 6, 2011 13:38:07 GMT -5
Married or unmarried I don't see anything wrong with porn it's not hurting anyone only helping. I watch RedTube all the time. Now if choose to watch porn over having sex with your mate now that may be a problem!
|
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 13:45:04 GMT -5
Now the porn thing...do you believe it is acceptable for single people to view it? If not, what is different about being married that should make it permissible? #realquestions Yes, I think if viewed in moderation and responsibly, single or married. |
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 13:47:00 GMT -5
Ok, do you think viewing porn can thwart a person's desire to live a holy lifestyle? Could it have a similar effect on achieving a holy marriage?
|
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 14:01:21 GMT -5
That's where the responsibility comes in. You have that obligation to discern reality from entertainment and control your actions just as if you would watch anything that has excessive violence, cursing, or anything bad behavior.
|
|
|
|
Post by Chal™ on Jul 6, 2011 14:04:45 GMT -5
have sex in positions other than missionary - yes
be swingers - no
participate in S&M type stuff - m'eh, i guess. not my thing
have threesomes - nah
engage in anal - NO SIRREE BOB!!!
engage in oral - sure, why not?
view porn - don't see an issue with it
Now the porn thing...do you believe it is acceptable for single people to view it? Sure, why not?
If not, what is different about being married that should make it permissible? n/a
Ok, do you think viewing porn can thwart a person's desire to live a holy lifestyle? perhaps a weak minded person
Could it have a similar effect on achieving a holy marriage? I don't think so, but then again, I could be wrong. *ye shrug*
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:11:32 GMT -5
That's where the responsibility comes in. You have that obligation to discern reality from entertainment and control your actions just as if you would watch anything that has excessive violence, cursing, or anything bad behavior. Note though, the same school of thought that discourages the viewing of pornography also shuns violence, bad language and spiritism in entertainment.' Also, what is the significance of controlling actions vs. controlling thoughts? Obviously a person who is acting on immoral behavior is not pleasing God well. But is a person who purposely THINKS about immoral behavior in the same boat? |
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:12:47 GMT -5
@ Chal-- why not anal, why not swinging and why not threesomes? Are you saying that these things would "defile" a marriage bed? How so?
|
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 14:19:20 GMT -5
Also, what is the significance of controlling actions vs. controlling thoughts? Obviously a person who is acting on immoral behavior is not pleasing God well. But is a person who purposely THINKS about immoral behavior in the same boat?
The SIN is commiting fornication, not thinking about.
The SIN is commiting violence, not thinking about.
I do believe too much porn, too much sexin.. hell too much anything can be dangerous... that's why I made sure to note in moderation.
I view a lot of this as I view drinking....
|
|
|
|
Post by Chal™ on Jul 6, 2011 14:23:29 GMT -5
anal - i think with this one i answered from a personal perspective. it's not my thing and for the life of me I don't understand how people can just lie there and take it. Like it's hard enough to push mess out somtimes. you wanna force something in?
As for swinging and threesomes, each of these invovle adding someone else to the mixture. That's still adultry, right? Even if your mate agrees to be a party to it, you're still cheating.
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:24:26 GMT -5
so is there anything that is not necessarily SINful that could still be unclean? Would the viewing of porn or the ruminating on immoral thoughts/images qualify?
I ask because many people interpret the scripture at Matthew 5:28 to mean that even thinking seriously about fornicating is a bad thing (even if you haven't yet committed the act).
"But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:27:32 GMT -5
As for swinging and threesomes, each of these invovle adding someone else to the mixture. That's still adultry, right? Even if your mate agrees to be a party to it, you're still cheating. right. |
|
|
|
Post by Chal™ on Jul 6, 2011 14:32:57 GMT -5
so is there anything that is not necessarily SINful that could still be unclean? Would the viewing of porn or the ruminating on immoral thoughts/images qualify? I ask because many people interpret the scripture at Matthew 5:28 to mean that even thinking seriously about fornicating is a bad thing (even if you haven't yet committed the act). " But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." ok, where it says "keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her," that's basically lusting after a woman, right? When it comes to porn, some (not many) aren't really lusting for the images on the screen. They're just excited by the actual act. Or maybe not. I don't know. Carry on. |
|
|
|
Post by Rare_Commodity on Jul 6, 2011 14:33:41 GMT -5
Ummm Leja we are waiting on your responses to your own questions. You like porn too don't cha!!??
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:34:38 GMT -5
Correct. It is translated as "lust" in some versions. so is there anything that is not necessarily SINful that could still be unclean? Would the viewing of porn or the ruminating on immoral thoughts/images qualify? I ask because many people interpret the scripture at Matthew 5:28 to mean that even thinking seriously about fornicating is a bad thing (even if you haven't yet committed the act). " But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." ok, where it says "keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her," that's basically lusting after a woman, right? When it comes to porn, some (not many) aren't really lusting for the images on the screen. They're just excited by the actual act. Or maybe not. I don't know. Carry on. |
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:37:11 GMT -5
Ummm Leja we are waiting on your responses to your own questions. You like porn too don't cha!!?? Actually, I don't watch it. I mean, I'm grown so I'm aware of it and have a general understanding of how it works and what purposes it serves for its viewers, LOL. But don't rush the brush fam, answers coming soon! |
|
|
|
Post by Rare_Commodity on Jul 6, 2011 14:40:04 GMT -5
^^LMAO I immediately had a weird sensation when I read "don't rush the brush" blame it on my defiled mind *shrugs*
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:43:38 GMT -5
^^^ LOL. See?! see what I be talkin' bout?!
|
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 14:48:17 GMT -5
** ok I'm freaking mad.. I wrote a whole post and it got deleted.. I hate trying to remember all that stuff ***
ok.. it was something along the lines of....
But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Okay infatuation... I can understand that. Being infatuated or obsessive on anything can/ and usually is a bad thing.
however my thoughts/objective of lust are usually varied... i guess thats just me being a smarty pants...
Ok.. Let's say this should be taking "literally". Is this kind of repression mentally healthy? Our natural human reaction to someone we are attractive to could be considered unclean. Should we feel sinful for expressing something that is an instinct???
|
|
|
|
Post by Chal™ on Jul 6, 2011 14:55:51 GMT -5
LMBO @ Rare. Po' chile
please allow the record to reflect that Chal does not [like] (#nofacebook) porn, nor does she use it as a stimulant or precursor to sexual activity.
She has, on occasion, watched it and found not that which makes the boys go, "wow."
She sometimes still wonder the purpose of the cheesy sets, the irritatingly (yep) bad acting, and the mediocre smanging.
Watching a camera zoom in on random acts of penis pumping (can I say penis in the religion section?) is not her idea of cinematic excellence.
Also, she is deeply disturbed, or perhaps I should say perturbed, by the extreme lack of of reciprocity in the oral performance portions of said cinematic episodes. (ok, not deeply, but walk with me here.)
That tis all
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 14:56:27 GMT -5
** ok I'm freaking mad.. I wrote a whole post and it got deleted.. I hate trying to remember all that stuff *** ok.. it was something along the lines of.... But I say to YOU that everyone that keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Okay infatuation... I can understand that. Being infatuated or obsessive on anything can/ and usually is a bad thing. however my thoughts/objective of lust are usually varied... i guess thats just me being a smarty pants... Ok.. Let's say this should be taking "literally". Is this can of repression mentally healthy. Our natural human reaction to someone we are attractive to could be considered unclean. Should be feel sinful for expressing something that is an instinct??? Do that whole last paragraph again, yo. |
|
|
|
Post by Chal™ on Jul 6, 2011 14:57:51 GMT -5
Do that whole last paragraph again, yo. Yo!! I thought it was just me!!! LOL |
|
|
|
Post by ReignMan19 on Jul 6, 2011 15:00:07 GMT -5
ha!!!!!... ok fixed... my bad I was on the phone and.....
eh nevermind..just reread it..
|
|
|
|
Post by LejaOMG on Jul 6, 2011 15:05:49 GMT -5
On instincts--
we all have them, but because we are humans and live in societies with rules, most of our inclinations (even those which are innate) come along with expectations of appropriate time/place/circumstance. As ADULT humans, we are expected to limit our manifestation of these instincts to the proper situation. As adult CHRISTIAN humans, we are expected to quell or repress our instincts (though we acknowledge that they exist) absent certain standards.
Is it sinful to crave sex? i sure hope not, cause I'd have some ill repenti... obviously not. Is it sinful to manifest the craving outside of the acceptable confines of your belief system? Yes, of course. The question becomes then, where is the line drawn between the thought and the action? When is the sin activated?
|
|
|
|
Post by Rare_Commodity on Jul 6, 2011 15:18:24 GMT -5
LMBO @ Rare. Po' chile please allow the record to reflect that Chal does not [like] (#nofacebook) porn, nor does she use it as a stimulus or precursor to sexual activity. She has, on occasion, watched it and found not that which makes the boys go, "wow." She sometimes still wonders the purpose of the cheesy sets, the irritatingly (yep) bad acting, and the mediocre smanging. Watching a camera zoom in on random acts of penis pumping (can I say penis in the religion section?) is not her idea of cinematic excellence. Also, she is deeply disturbed, or perhaps I should say perturbed, by the extreme lack of of reciprocity in the oral performance portions of said cinematic episodes. (ok, not deeply, but walk with me here.) That tis all I'm in drought mode right now so porn is the best thing comming (no pun intended). You must not be watching the right pornos...I'm not talking about the stages ones but the real ones where they are not faking... WOW is all I can say. Ok ok ok I apologize back to the regularly schedule programming about Religion. *GOD please forgive me for I have sinned* |
|
