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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Aug 25, 2010 20:51:28 GMT -5
That's deep.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 26, 2010 7:05:02 GMT -5
its truth
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Post by denounced on Aug 26, 2010 8:15:58 GMT -5
No it is not truth. Jesus is truth. So anything that is truth must flow from the one who is the truth. Satan was a created being. It is evident that he has an overwhelming sphere of influence seeing that he has many demons doing his bidding. So I am interested to know why people think this? |
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 26, 2010 10:10:05 GMT -5
God is everywhere. But the devil can only be in the places you allow him to be in your life. Jesus said by his blood we are set free from Satan. Resist the devil, and he has no choice but to flee. ----- Christian perspective
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 26, 2010 14:30:26 GMT -5
Nah, the Devil isn't everywhere. Not at all.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 27, 2010 11:54:38 GMT -5
No it is not truth. Jesus is truth. So anything that is truth must flow from the one who is the truth. Satan was a created being. It is evident that he has an overwhelming sphere of influence seeing that he has many demons doing his bidding. So I am interested to know why people think this? Jesus is NOT the truth because Jesus is not absolute. Furthermore per your book Satan Lucifer the devil is indeed EVERYWHERE. It him her she etc per the bible steps around the space time continuum that we humans are bound too several times. Tell me a place Satan per the story can't go and I will post a bybull verse disputing your claims.... Shall we start with the Garden of Eden first? Hell how about this mytical place called Heaven. Even walk with the Sons of God? In your bible it states your god speakth to you through the spirit. Is not every spirit born into sin and is seen as unclean. I mean what are you saying.... the devil can only effect those whom he is in front of? Thats a super fast muthafucka then. lol The God of the bible is everywhere because of the spirit and the ability to speak to and through the spirit... thing is the devil can do the same thing. You would have had a better argument if it were stated the devil isn't all knowing.... but hell according to the bybull the God isn't all knowing either huh.. It's either A the god isn't all knowing had rivals that maimed his creations which is has been fighting to fix or B He is all knowing let all this foolishness happen and its a game for him. Carry on. lol |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 27, 2010 13:40:57 GMT -5
I was taking this to mean here on Earth... and even if you are resisiting him that doesn't mean he is not there.. That's why God says stay alert he can come as a lion or a snake...
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 27, 2010 14:03:54 GMT -5
Satan's still not everywhere. He has been relegated to the earth, but has not been granted him complete access. Think about it.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 27, 2010 14:55:31 GMT -5
ugh i'm lazy.. PM me the answer..
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Aug 27, 2010 20:39:38 GMT -5
No it is not truth. Jesus is truth. So anything that is truth must flow from the one who is the truth. Satan was a created being. It is evident that he has an overwhelming sphere of influence seeing that he has many demons doing his bidding. So I am interested to know why people think this? Jesus is NOT the truth because Jesus is not absolute. Furthermore per your book Satan Lucifer the devil is indeed EVERYWHERE. It him her she etc per the bible steps around the space time continuum that we humans are bound too several times. Tell me a place Satan per the story can't go and I will post a bybull verse disputing your claims.... Shall we start with the Garden of Eden first? Hell how about this mytical place called Heaven. Even walk with the Sons of God? In your bible it states your god speakth to you through the spirit. Is not every spirit born into sin and is seen as unclean. I mean what are you saying.... the devil can only effect those whom he is in front of? Thats a super fast muthafucka then. lol The God of the bible is everywhere because of the spirit and the ability to speak to and through the spirit... thing is the devil can do the same thing. You would have had a better argument if it were stated the devil isn't all knowing.... but hell according to the bybull the God isn't all knowing either huh.. It's either A the god isn't all knowing had rivals that maimed his creations which is has been fighting to fix or B He is all knowing let all this foolishness happen and its a game for him. Carry on. lol damn, Vudu Prince bodied Christians in this post. Since God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, He would have known that the Devil was going to plot against him and should have: a) never created him b) destroyed him If God is 100% powerful, then the Devil is around 99% as powerful. That's deep. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 28, 2010 10:40:56 GMT -5
Job 1: 6Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. 7And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
The Above passage shows not only can Satan come into Heaven but the "LORD" was surprised to see him and even asked "Whence comest thou" or in laymens terms "Muthafucka where you come from and why are you here" lol They then proceed to broker a deal for Job which your lord puts on the table. Stop listening so much and do more reading.
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Post by guestd9 on Aug 29, 2010 1:16:09 GMT -5
Vudu......please keep speaking.
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 29, 2010 9:47:02 GMT -5
Jesus is NOT the truth because Jesus is not absolute. Furthermore per your book Satan Lucifer the devil is indeed EVERYWHERE. It him her she etc per the bible steps around the space time continuum that we humans are bound too several times. Tell me a place Satan per the story can't go and I will post a bybull verse disputing your claims.... Shall we start with the Garden of Eden first? Hell how about this mytical place called Heaven. Even walk with the Sons of God? In your bible it states your god speakth to you through the spirit. Is not every spirit born into sin and is seen as unclean. I mean what are you saying.... the devil can only effect those whom he is in front of? Thats a super fast muthafucka then. lol The God of the bible is everywhere because of the spirit and the ability to speak to and through the spirit... thing is the devil can do the same thing. You would have had a better argument if it were stated the devil isn't all knowing.... but hell according to the bybull the God isn't all knowing either huh.. It's either A the god isn't all knowing had rivals that maimed his creations which is has been fighting to fix or B He is all knowing let all this foolishness happen and its a game for him. Carry on. lol damn, Vudu Prince bodied Christians in this post. Since God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent, He would have known that the Devil was going to plot against him and should have: a) never created him b) destroyed him If God is 100% powerful, then the Devil is around 99% as powerful. That's deep. Ahhh, APIL, but you are thinking about the situation through the many flaws in human logic. While it may be logical to us that because A is B, then B must equal A, we can never look at it through a Godly perspective. Vudu, you used the example of Job. Now, if we look at Job in terms of human logic, God just wanted to mess over Job. If God, in all his omnipotence, already knew Job was going to be faithful; that Job wouldn't curse him, or stop believing in him, despite the obstacles - BUT YET still submitted Job to the tests of Satan - It seems as though God just was bored and felt like torturing someone. BUT if you look at it in another way, in a Godly perspective, God tested Job because he knew Job would give him praise through it all - God did it for his own glory. You find in the Bible that God does a lot of things simply for his glory. We were all created simply to glorify God. That's it. That's our purpose here. Now backtrack it towards the Devil...if you follow this train of thought, is it not so hard to believe that God created the Devil to antagonize him and His children, to give us trials and tribulations to go through, JUST SO we can praise Him in the midst of it all? BTW, that would make the Devil nowhere near as powerful. I never said it made logical human sense. I said to look at it from a Godly perspective. A perspective that, despite all the philosophy and logic in the world, we may NEVER understand. And why SHOULD the painting understand the Painter? The painter created the work simply for it to exist, and to smile upon, and to show off his talents. I, personally, don't want to understand God's reasoning. I don't think I'd be able to handle it if he made me privy to it all. |
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Post by adisa on Aug 30, 2010 8:32:11 GMT -5
Meh...more like there's always actions and reactions, choices and results.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 30, 2010 9:34:26 GMT -5
oh further thought I retract my agreeance on this post..
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 30, 2010 16:51:28 GMT -5
Ahhh, APIL, but you are thinking about the situation through the many flaws in human logic. While it may be logical to us that because A is B, then B must equal A, we can never look at it through a Godly perspective. In a Godly perspective? So you are in the mind of your god now? Lets not preach here. How about this.... Does your God have faith in man? Really now what sense does that actually make? Threading the thin line here. If you are stating that "God" purposely made the devil.... then you are stating in scientific terms he is used as a control. That means this chit is a game. Proof says other wise. Time and time again we see the "God" of this story create something or bestow blessings and time and time again we see the "Devil" come and manipulate the situation. Instead of destroying the Devil since your God did create him right? He hurts the people. Classic chit here. So prove to us using your book the Devil isn't powerful as your "Lord" . Yeah your God won with Job but lost terribly with Adam, Eve, Solomon Again a Godly perspective from whose point of view? The painting is more important than the painter as without it the latter doesn't exist. Can a man be a father without children? Can a God be without those that worship and have faith? Isn't that the point of it all. Stop people from having faith which in turn minimizes "God". Instead of destroying the "creation" the story instead shows a entity with no control at all who continuously gets into a pissing contest. Back to your painting. If you paint a picture and I come along manipulate it, modify it, etc... do you win by destroying what you created? Are you more powerful than I even though you can't stop me from doing what I want to your painting? In this instance the question is more difficult than the answer. Your words in bold says a mouthful. Do you realize that? You gonna stand by that bolded portion of your statement? Interesting "new" name as well. Good day folks |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Aug 30, 2010 17:49:29 GMT -5
oh further thought I retract my agreeance on this post.. Of course you do. Vudu Prince has made you and others look like fools. You really have no argument. God and the Devil are two opposing forces. One cannot exist without the other. That is duality. Do you really think religion would make sense with a powerful antagonist? |
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 30, 2010 22:05:35 GMT -5
Ahhh, APIL, but you are thinking about the situation through the many flaws in human logic. While it may be logical to us that because A is B, then B must equal A, we can never look at it through a Godly perspective. In a Godly perspective? So you are in the mind of your god now? Lets not preach here. How about this.... Does your God have faith in man? Really now what sense does that actually make? Threading the thin line here. If you are stating that "God" purposely made the devil.... then you are stating in scientific terms he is used as a control. That means this chit is a game. Proof says other wise. Time and time again we see the "God" of this story create something or bestow blessings and time and time again we see the "Devil" come and manipulate the situation. Instead of destroying the Devil since your God did create him right? He hurts the people. Classic chit here. So prove to us using your book the Devil isn't powerful as your "Lord" . Yeah your God won with Job but lost terribly with Adam, Eve, Solomon Again a Godly perspective from whose point of view? The painting is more important than the painter as without it the latter doesn't exist. Can a man be a father without children? Can a God be without those that worship and have faith? Isn't that the point of it all. Stop people from having faith which in turn minimizes "God". Instead of destroying the "creation" the story instead shows a entity with no control at all who continuously gets into a pissing contest. Back to your painting. If you paint a picture and I come along manipulate it, modify it, etc... do you win by destroying what you created? Are you more powerful than I even though you can't stop me from doing what I want to your painting? In this instance the question is more difficult than the answer. Your words in bold says a mouthful. Do you realize that? You gonna stand by that bolded portion of your statement? Interesting "new" name as well. Good day folks Your whole persona is such that you wish to not just prove your point, but offend the person who differs in opinion from you. You have a vendetta against Christians and Christianity, and it comes out frequently in these posts. That is something that you will have to take up with God, whether you believe in Him or not. On the contrary, I don't have a vendetta against non-believers. I simply stated my opposition. I did not try to belittle the people who disagreed with me. And yes, if I am reading the Bible, I can speak from a Godly perspective, and I can quote the biblical scripture to prove it. I believe God's Word is the best interpretation we have of His perspective. You can debate me on this if you like, but its my belief system. At the end of the day, Vudu, you know the Bible, you've read the Bible, you've made the choice not to believe. I can't help that. I can only pray for you, and politely disagree when you ridicule MY belief system. You may call my beliefs delusions. I call it Faith. And my name has been Godfirstmelast since I first began posting on this board. It's the same thing over at Stop Hazing. Have a good day. |
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 30, 2010 22:10:02 GMT -5
oh further thought I retract my agreeance on this post.. Of course you do. Vudu Prince has made you and others look like fools. You really have no argument. God and the Devil are two opposing forces. One cannot exist without the other. That is duality. Do you really think religion would make sense with a powerful antagonist? Mmm, nah, not feeling like a fool over here. "Do you really think religion would make sense...." --- You're still operating in human logic...there are somethings we will never be able to understand... |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 31, 2010 4:58:22 GMT -5
Again a Godly perspective from whose point of view? The painting is more important than the painter as without it the latter doesn't exist. Can a man be a father without children? Can a God be without those that worship and have faith? Isn't that the point of it all. Stop people from having faith which in turn minimizes "God". Instead of destroying the "creation" the story instead shows a entity with no control at all who continuously gets into a pissing contest. Back to your painting. If you paint a picture and I come along manipulate it, modify it, etc... do you win by destroying what you created? Are you more powerful than I even though you can't stop me from doing what I want to your painting? In this instance the question is more difficult than the answer. Your words in bold says a mouthful. Do you realize that? You gonna stand by that bolded portion of your statement? Interesting "new" name as well. Good day folks Your whole persona is such that you wish to not just prove your point, but offend the person who differs in opinion from you. You have a vendetta against Christians and Christianity, and it comes out frequently in these posts. That is something that you will have to take up with God, whether you believe in Him or not. On the contrary, I don't have a vendetta against non-believers. I simply stated my opposition. I did not try to belittle the people who disagreed with me. And yes, if I am reading the Bible, I can speak from a Godly perspective, and I can quote the biblical scripture to prove it. I believe God's Word is the best interpretation we have of His perspective. You can debate me on this if you like, but its my belief system. At the end of the day, Vudu, you know the Bible, you've read the Bible, you've made the choice not to believe. I can't help that. I can only pray for you, and politely disagree when you ridicule MY belief system. You may call my beliefs delusions. I call it Faith. And my name has been Godfirstmelast since I first began posting on this board. It's the same thing over at Stop Hazing. Have a good day. My whole persona? Broad get the fuck on with the sensitive shit you alter. lol. You speak you got spoken to not on your terms but mine. You call it faith... I call it stupidity. Believe in the mantasy no women angels, no women mentioned in heaven just men and the "father" if you want to. I'll pass. Now answer the questions I posed. Prove that your lawd didn't make Adam per the story to till the ground in the garden. You tripping yourself up already by trying to prove your faith with using the bible. Don't do that one. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Aug 31, 2010 10:20:58 GMT -5
oh further thought I retract my agreeance on this post.. Of course you do. Vudu Prince has made you and others look like fools. You really have no argument. God and the Devil are two opposing forces. One cannot exist without the other. That is duality. Do you really think religion would make sense with a powerful antagonist? You couldn't be more of a moron if you actually realized I was in agreeance with you at the beginning. Actually VPs points are what made me change my stance. Follow the posts. |
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 31, 2010 11:09:21 GMT -5
Your whole persona is such that you wish to not just prove your point, but offend the person who differs in opinion from you. You have a vendetta against Christians and Christianity, and it comes out frequently in these posts. That is something that you will have to take up with God, whether you believe in Him or not. On the contrary, I don't have a vendetta against non-believers. I simply stated my opposition. I did not try to belittle the people who disagreed with me. And yes, if I am reading the Bible, I can speak from a Godly perspective, and I can quote the biblical scripture to prove it. I believe God's Word is the best interpretation we have of His perspective. You can debate me on this if you like, but its my belief system. At the end of the day, Vudu, you know the Bible, you've read the Bible, you've made the choice not to believe. I can't help that. I can only pray for you, and politely disagree when you ridicule MY belief system. You may call my beliefs delusions. I call it Faith. And my name has been Godfirstmelast since I first began posting on this board. It's the same thing over at Stop Hazing. Have a good day. My whole persona? Broad get the fuck on with the sensitive shit you alter. lol. You speak you got spoken to not on your terms but mine. You call it faith... I call it stupidity. Believe in the mantasy no women angels, no women mentioned in heaven just men and the "father" if you want to. I'll pass. Now answer the questions I posed. Prove that your lawd didn't make Adam per the story to till the ground in the garden. You tripping yourself up already by trying to prove your faith with using the bible. Don't do that one. I don't have anything to prove to you...you either believe it or you don't. I am only responsible for you HEARING IT, so that at the end of this life God won't ask me why I did not try to reach out to you and spread the good news. But if you insult me and my views, then I'm moving on: Luke 9:5 - "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." Notice how throughout this entire thread you continue to throw personal attacks. Not once did I personally attack you. I don't even know you. So why would I attack you? Why would I call you a bastard or a broad or whatever? All I've done was disagree with you. You have a lot of hate in your heart dude. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Aug 31, 2010 11:48:43 GMT -5
My whole persona? Broad get the fuck on with the sensitive shit you alter. lol. You speak you got spoken to not on your terms but mine. You call it faith... I call it stupidity. Believe in the mantasy no women angels, no women mentioned in heaven just men and the "father" if you want to. I'll pass. Now answer the questions I posed. Prove that your lawd didn't make Adam per the story to till the ground in the garden. You tripping yourself up already by trying to prove your faith with using the bible. Don't do that one. I don't have anything to prove to you...you either believe it or you don't. I am only responsible for you HEARING IT, so that at the end of this life God won't ask me why I did not try to reach out to you and spread the good news. But if you insult me and my views, then I'm moving on: Luke 9:5 - "And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." Notice how throughout this entire thread you continue to throw personal attacks. Not once did I personally attack you. I don't even know you. So why would I attack you? Why would I call you a bastard or a broad or whatever? All I've done was disagree with you. You have a lot of hate in your heart dude. Chick please no matter which name you post under the same chit surfaces. Nobody personally attacked anyone until you came with my whole persona bs. I broke your post down piece by piece and posed several questions. You couldn't answer them so in an attempt to deflect you started off your response with "Your whole persona is such that you wish to not just prove your point, but offend the person who differs in opinion from you." Lets look at this bit by bit and see if we can find a "personal attack" in my response to you shall we? Vudu says to "godfirstmelast" In a Godly perspective? So you are in the mind of your god now? Lets not preach here. How about this.... Does your God have faith in man? << Personal Attack here? Vudu says Really now what sense does that actually make? Threading the thin line here. If you are stating that "God" purposely made the devil.... then you are stating in scientific terms he is used as a control. That means this chit is a game. << Personal Attack here? Vudu says Proof says other wise. Time and time again we see the "God" of this story create something or bestow blessings and time and time again we see the "Devil" come and manipulate the situation. Instead of destroying the Devil since your God did create him right? He hurts the people. Classic chit here. So prove to us using your book the Devil isn't powerful as your "Lord" . Yeah your God won with Job but lost terribly with Adam, Eve, Solomon << Personal Attack here? Vudu says Again a Godly perspective from whose point of view? The painting is more important than the painter as without it the latter doesn't exist. Can a man be a father without children? Can a God be without those that worship and have faith? Isn't that the point of it all. Stop people from having faith which in turn minimizes "God". Instead of destroying the "creation" the story instead shows a entity with no control at all who continuously gets into a pissing contest.
Back to your painting. If you paint a picture and I come along manipulate it, modify it, etc... do you win by destroying what you created? Are you more powerful than I even though you can't stop me from doing what I want to your painting? In this instance the question is more difficult than the answer. Your words in bold says a mouthful. Do you realize that? You gonna stand by that bolded portion of your statement? Interesting "new" name as well. Good day folks
<< Personal Attack here? People can read and comprehend. You made it personal. Now run along develop another name and lets try this game again shall we? You do not get to speak to a person on your terms and have them respond to you on your terms IF you seek discourse. I respond on my terms and speak when, where,and how I please. Don't cry afoul of those who don't believe and the objections they raise when your religion banishes them to eternal death and fire. You're not well versed enough in your religion to have this conversation with me. You shouldn't have addressed me at all. |
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Post by godfirstmelast on Aug 31, 2010 16:24:19 GMT -5
Believe what you will. We're done here love.
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