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Post by bigsisteronpoint on Jul 7, 2010 15:53:58 GMT -5
Maybe this thread will gather constructive feedback... Le sigh Anyhow...what does everyone think of grad chapter probate shows? Should these be limited to undergrads only? Has any grad chapter greeks on the board had a probate? Case in point... the Deltas from Sandhill Alumnae Chapter recently held a probate for their Spring 2010 line. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o4HFHlHQJcP.S. I see you six club! ooo-oop |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 7, 2010 16:10:33 GMT -5
I actually thought that was cute.
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Post by Southie on Jul 7, 2010 16:15:20 GMT -5
If its an actual probate then no problem.
If its a "neo-presentation" no problem.
Just make sure that it is identifed as such.
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 7, 2010 16:31:12 GMT -5
Yep. I remember when my mom crossed (yep, I pinned my Mommy!) They did a little presentation at the end during the reception part where everyone could attend who wasn't members. Like a little neo-presentation. It was cute too.
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Post by Southie on Jul 7, 2010 16:45:57 GMT -5
Yep. I remember when my mom crossed (yep, I pinned my Mommy!) They did a little presentation at the end during the reception part where everyone could attend who wasn't members. Like a little neo-presentation. It was cute too. Now that is nice! |
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Post by AKAShannon on Jul 7, 2010 19:22:39 GMT -5
I don't have a problem. All the Graduate probates that I have seen were done in the correct manner -- age appropriate.
Awww that's so sweet! @ Julie Art
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 7, 2010 19:43:12 GMT -5
a little sad. crossed grad chapter and thought we would have a presentation
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 7, 2010 20:25:38 GMT -5
It is IMPOSSIBLE for grad chapters to have probates... what will they be probated from? What the grad chapter gonna say " I better not see you driving down 95 on ur way to work ninjah you BETTER take the back roads or else"? Da fucketh? Have we forgot what a probate is? Throws up hands ...... In Richard Pryor's voice " These niggah's CAN'T be serious!"
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 7, 2010 22:34:32 GMT -5
dagnabbit! i may take heat but i'll ask. what's the difference between a probate, a neo presentation etc.?
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Post by Cambist on Jul 8, 2010 6:40:24 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate.....
As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs**
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 8, 2010 8:24:49 GMT -5
I think that grads looking for a UG experience is what causes half our problems. It's different, get over it. I'm not a fan of neo shows (or whatever you want to call them) for Alumnae chapters. My chapter doesn't do it.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 8, 2010 8:38:25 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate..... As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs** This is true for the undergrads somewhat but that's because of rules. Graduates having probates would be impossible to enforce. It's not a bad thing but if you have folks that have jobs and lead real lives how can a probate be enforced? Sure a probate is about presentation but it is also about enforcement. Undergrads in most cases nowadays are probates without probating and don't know it. They are banned from the cafe, banned from interacting with fellow students, banned from parties and events, just banned from everything. I was lucky to have a small portion of a probate above ground but it was still nothing like the 80's. So the structure is still there underground of course but the probate presentation is gone. During the 90's people starting calling Neophyte Showcase's Probates. So the youngins have to understand a Probate is one who is proving that he or she is worthy of being in the org. The d9 call our probates by different names such as Lamps, Pyramids, Archonians, Ivy's, Aurora's etc. They are all proving themselves to be worthy. A Neophyte is a full fledged inductee of said organization. So its impossible to Probate Neophytes who should be Neophytes when they are doing their long walk. Mofo predicating when they go over based on their show in front of outsiders. I broke down right before my long walk. Pulled myself together and put on an O.U.T.ragious show how we were supposed to for the outsiders. It was fun but it didn't really mean as much to me as what was done behind the scenes. So much is lost I tell ya..... So much |
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Post by Southie on Jul 8, 2010 8:39:08 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate..... As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs** That was exactly my point earlier. Neo Presenations are just fine. However,...well let's leave it at that, shall we?  |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 8, 2010 9:07:24 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate..... As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs** That was exactly my point earlier. Neo Presenations are just fine. However,...well let's leave it at that, shall we? Naw lets not leave it at that... This is about Grad Chapters and probates.. Undergrads shouldn't be in the discussion so clarification was needed. How's that? lol |
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Post by Southie on Jul 8, 2010 9:09:19 GMT -5
That was exactly my point earlier. Neo Presenations are just fine. However,...well let's leave it at that, shall we? Naw lets not leave it at that... This is about Grad Chapters and probates.. Undergrads shouldn't be in the discussion so clarification was needed. How's that? lol Undegrads were not in the discussion. The clarification was already made about 'neo presentations and loosely termed "probates". |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 8, 2010 9:53:39 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate..... As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs** This is true for the undergrads somewhat but that's because of rules. Graduates having probates would be impossible to enforce. It's not a bad thing but if you have folks that have jobs and lead real lives how can a probate be enforced? Sure a probate is about presentation but it is also about enforcement. Undergrads in most cases nowadays are probates without probating and don't know it. They are banned from the cafe, banned from interacting with fellow students, banned from parties and events, just banned from everything. I was lucky to have a small portion of a probate above ground but it was still nothing like the 80's. So the structure is still there underground of course but the probate presentation is gone. During the 90's people starting calling Neophyte Showcase's Probates. So the youngins have to understand a Probate is one who is proving that he or she is worthy of being in the org. The d9 call our probates by different names such as Lamps, Pyramids, Archonians, Ivy's, Aurora's etc. They are all proving themselves to be worthy. A Neophyte is a full fledged inductee of said organization. So its impossible to Probate Neophytes who should be Neophytes when they are doing their long walk. Mofo predicating when they go over based on their show in front of outsiders. I broke down right before my long walk. Pulled myself together and put on an O.U.T.ragious show how we were supposed to for the outsiders. It was fun but it didn't really mean as much to me as what was done behind the scenes. So much is lost I tell ya..... So much Underlined part, Vudu just described part of my process. Because we couldn't go anywhere but to class and really talk to no one but each other, we were so out of touch with what was going on on campus, it wasn't even funny. |
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Post by Southie on Jul 8, 2010 10:17:24 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate..... As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs** This is true for the undergrads somewhat but that's because of rules. Graduates having probates would be impossible to enforce. It's not a bad thing but if you have folks that have jobs and lead real lives how can a probate be enforced? Sure a probate is about presentation but it is also about enforcement. Undergrads in most cases nowadays are probates without probating and don't know it. They are banned from the cafe, banned from interacting with fellow students, banned from parties and events, just banned from everything. I was lucky to have a small portion of a probate above ground but it was still nothing like the 80's. So the structure is still there underground of course but the probate presentation is gone. During the 90's people starting calling Neophyte Showcase's Probates. So the youngins have to understand a Probate is one who is proving that he or she is worthy of being in the org. The d9 call our probates by different names such as Lamps, Pyramids, Archonians, Ivy's, Aurora's etc. They are all proving themselves to be worthy. A Neophyte is a full fledged inductee of said organization. So its impossible to Probate Neophytes who should be Neophytes when they are doing their long walk. Mofo predicating when they go over based on their show in front of outsiders. I broke down right before my long walk. Pulled myself together and put on an O.U.T.ragious show how we were supposed to for the outsiders. It was fun but it didn't really mean as much to me as what was done behind the scenes. So much is lost I tell ya..... So much Exactly. Probates are not a part of the organization are not allowed to wear letters, however move forward to the next stage of their process. ..(knows this differs from org to org), once you hit the opportunity to say Neo! I.e you have earned the right to wear the letters. (how many times has this been echoed). |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 8, 2010 11:38:32 GMT -5
Probate? What's a probate? LOL
no really, if they can hack it, why not.. my alum neo had a "show"
this is only part of it.. there are a couple more parts.. excuse the voiceovers..LOL da bruhz did the videoing...
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Post by Bathroom Model on Jul 8, 2010 11:57:14 GMT -5
I don't know about yall but I think everyone should have some type of show. I mean the neo did all that hard work they should be able to show out a little bit.
Age or whatever approiate presentation for new members.
Espescially the guest of the members want to see something . Plus they bought gifts and stuff. GIVE me my money's worth.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 8, 2010 12:04:55 GMT -5
Naw lets not leave it at that... This is about Grad Chapters and probates.. Undergrads shouldn't be in the discussion so clarification was needed. How's that? lol Undegrads were not in the discussion. The clarification was already made about 'neo presentations and loosely termed "probates". Okay even still when Probates were the norm grad chapters could not probate. What would you probate a person who is leading a real life from? Is that registering to you at all? Do you get that? A grad member could be a probate in some forms but could never have a true probate which is the start of the probation period. |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 8, 2010 13:15:19 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone (grad or undergrad) REALLY has a probate anymore. We call them probate shows but they are (in MOST cases) just neo shows. True, you may be a neo who just crossed 5 minutes ago but you are still a neo....you are not a probate..... As for neo shows...whatever floats your boat....**shrugs** This is true for the undergrads somewhat but that's because of rules. Graduates having probates would be impossible to enforce. It's not a bad thing but if you have folks that have jobs and lead real lives how can a probate be enforced? Sure a probate is about presentation but it is also about enforcement. Undergrads in most cases nowadays are probates without probating and don't know it. They are banned from the cafe, banned from interacting with fellow students, banned from parties and events, just banned from everything. I was lucky to have a small portion of a probate above ground but it was still nothing like the 80's. So the structure is still there underground of course but the probate presentation is gone. During the 90's people starting calling Neophyte Showcase's Probates.
So the youngins have to understand a Probate is one who is proving that he or she is worthy of being in the org. The d9 call our probates by different names such as Lamps, Pyramids, Archonians, Ivy's, Aurora's etc. They are all proving themselves to be worthy. A Neophyte is a full fledged inductee of said organization. So its impossible to Probate Neophytes who should be Neophytes when they are doing their long walk. Mofo predicating when they go over based on their show in front of outsiders. I broke down right before my long walk. Pulled myself together and put on an O.U.T.ragious show how we were supposed to for the outsiders. It was fun but it didn't really mean as much to me as what was done behind the scenes. So much is lost I tell ya..... So much This is why they officially call ours a "New Initiate Presentation:" now... |
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 8, 2010 13:31:10 GMT -5
I don't see a problem with grad chapters having a neo presentation. I been to several of them and they all turned out to be pretty good and age appropriate.
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Post by Iceman on Jul 8, 2010 13:46:45 GMT -5
It is IMPOSSIBLE for grad chapters to have probates... what will they be probated from? What the grad chapter gonna say " I better not see you driving down 95 on ur way to work ninjah you BETTER take the back roads or else"? Da fucketh? Have we forgot what a probate is? Throws up hands ...... In Richard Pryor's voice " These niggah's CAN'T be serious!" lol @ the thought of a working adult getting “kidnapped” by Frat during their morning commute to work. |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 8, 2010 14:33:54 GMT -5
All Greeks are generic today. I say let these modern Greeks do whatever. It's not like they have any real power or influence.
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 8, 2010 14:58:56 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with neophyte shows/presentations for Graduate Chapters. Where as in UG it's a chance to introduce new members to the campus, on the Grad level it is a chance to welcome them into Greekdom and to present the new members to family members and other Greeks in attendance. I once saw a combined neophyte show (Grad and UG lines were presented at the same time. It was for Omega).
When my sister crossed, everyone attended church together that morning and then there was a luncheon for family, friends, etc. where the new members were presented and given gifts. I thought that was nice.
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 8, 2010 15:04:26 GMT -5
Maybe this thread will gather constructive feedback... Le sigh Anyhow...what does everyone think of grad chapter probate shows? Should these be limited to undergrads only? Has any grad chapter greeks on the board had a probate? Case in point... the Deltas from Sandhill Alumnae Chapter recently held a probate for their Spring 2010 line. www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o4HFHlHQJcP.S. I see you six club! ooo-oop It looks like the younger neos are more into it than the older ones. As they were marching in singing, the older ones seemed to just be going through the motions. A few weren't even really singing. It was the same way when they were going through the names of the Founders. The younger ones seemed to be relishing the moment, and the older ones just looked like they were somewhat in a daze. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 8, 2010 15:19:55 GMT -5
You noticed that too uh Theophilos. One of them didn't even throw up the pyramid, she was just holding her hands up, ROTFL!
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 8, 2010 15:31:56 GMT -5
You noticed that too uh Theophilos. One of them didn't even throw up the pyramid, she was just holding her hands up, ROTFL! Yeah, I noticed it. lol! That's my only issue with Grad Neo Shows. If the neos are younger, then cool. However, a neo in his/her 50s or over may not be feeling all the hooplah. |
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Post by dhype on Jul 8, 2010 23:11:44 GMT -5
Speaking from the outside grad looking in, When my aunt crossed AKA, I thought it was a very classy presentation. It was age appropiate with an edge and it really showed depth of the org to non members, especially young ones, when you're only use to seeing the steppin, the callin, and all the other topical forms of org representation.
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Post by Southie on Jul 9, 2010 8:35:31 GMT -5
Undegrads were not in the discussion. The clarification was already made about 'neo presentations and loosely termed "probates". Okay even still when Probates were the norm grad chapters could not probate. What would you probate a person who is leading a real life from? Is that registering to you at all? Do you get that? A grad member could be a probate in some forms but could never have a true probate which is the start of the probation period. I do not think that you were getting my point. In fact, I know you did not...moving forward. |
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