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Post by T-Rex91 on May 4, 2011 8:56:43 GMT -5
Really? no thread to discuss the killing?
They GOTTA release pics and not claim that the bullet distorted his appearance to the point that he's unrecognizable.
So making him shark bait is a respectable burial? Really?
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Post by Rare_Commodity on May 4, 2011 9:26:05 GMT -5
How respectful was it for him to lead others to fly planes and kill hundreds of Americans; why SHOULD we show him any respect? Guess that's when our compassion as a country comes in. This is when we as a people should trust our military, president, and country to make decisions for the greater good of the country without making us privy to everything. I believe the US did the best given the short time frame while at the same time trying to respect his religion. Is is right to take someone's life for taking anothers...no. Will there be a backlash...yes.
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Post by T-Rex91 on May 4, 2011 9:29:53 GMT -5
I'm just saying if you're going to go through al the effort to honor Muslim tradititions on burial timing and body preparation, why feed him to the fishes? I'm not speaking to what end he deserved, but it seems that we were bing all careful to not offend up until the dumped him into the North Arabian Sea. He's fish food.
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Post by Rare_Commodity on May 4, 2011 9:37:43 GMT -5
I don't know much about the Muslim tradition but after reading some of the comments on websites it seems that they did things incorrectly. Unfortunately, we can't please everybody. I think it was like a catch 22 if the military had gone all out allowed a ceremony and buried him (which his followers would have turned it into a shrine) the American people would be hurt and disrepected so I guess they made a swift decision to minimize the American backlash.
They caught the man but it would have been President Obamas fault and he would have lost major cool points with his country had he buried the man. Real talk.
Lol I crack myself up and think about Kevin Hart when I say that.
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Post by Bunny Hop on May 4, 2011 9:56:24 GMT -5
I personally don't want to and not don't need to see any pictures of a man with a gunshot wound to the head or his burial (I've seen enough). That's some morbid shyt. I also didn't rejoice in him being shot...rejoicing in anyone's death isn't something I'm ok with.
I don't know enough about Islam to know if burial at sea is part of their burial traditions in any way but this seems like the best way to keep people from digging up the body and doing something to it or making the site a shrine.
I was also surprised there was no thread about the killing and burial here.
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Post by Noble Work on May 4, 2011 11:05:46 GMT -5
I didn't know being dumped at sea was an Islam burial tradition or custom. I know Eastern Islamic tradition is a little different from Western (here in the U.S.) Islamic culture but, I've never heard of disposing a body at sea is Islamic. I've heard of spreading the ashes at sea in some customs but the physical body? That's what pirates and sea captains did.
I will reach high and say this, I think the U.S. did that on their own. By the way didn't they dump him off the side of an Air Craft carrier? I don't think that's Islamic.
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Post by T-Rex91 on May 4, 2011 11:50:19 GMT -5
I totally get and agree with Bun's point about not wanting to bury the body somewhere where zealots could dig it up or create a shrine.
And Yep Work, an aircraft carrier! I'm hoping that that was just for timing's sake.
Did anyone else peep that he was with his TEENAGE wife? EWWWWWWW............
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Post by Sapphire on May 4, 2011 13:26:53 GMT -5
I agree that he shouldn't make his burial place a shrine, but I don't know how I feel about the whole at sea burial. It leaves open the opportunity for too many questions. Even Hitler is buried in the ground. He was moved a few times so that neo nazis wouldn't build a shrine at his grave, and now only one person knows where his body actually is. That might have been better.
As for pics, I dont' want to see them. And given the fact that US citizens are partying like it's 1999 it would be disrespectful IMO.
However, I definitely think other world leaders should be able to look and verify the information. No knock to Obama, but frankly the US word alone I don't think is good enough for something of such magnitude and importance. I don't think they would necessarily lie about it, but the whole "we found him, killed him, ran DNA and buried him at sea... yeah that's it! C'mon you can trust us" doesn't really sit well. Especially when he was known to have imposters. I would do whatever necessary within reason to leave no doubt about the fact that it's him and he's gone. A co-sign from the UK, Iceland, Canada, Greenland, Egypt or whoever wouldn't hurt.
Side note, I'm tired of seeing posts about maybe we shouldn't be celebrating a man's death in case there may be retaliation. Um, how about we don't celebrate death because it's wrong and in bad taste?
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Post by LejaOMG on May 4, 2011 13:45:04 GMT -5
Eff a photo. They still need more people as far as I'm concerned. I don't feel called to believe it until I see it. And I already know I ain't finna see it. So...for all I know, him and Tupac are loungin somewhere in Cape Verde.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on May 4, 2011 14:01:16 GMT -5
THIS!!!! I've been saying this SINCE Sunday night Side note, I'm tired of seeing posts about maybe we shouldn't be celebrating a man's death in case there may be retaliation. Um, how about we don't celebrate death because it's wrong and in bad taste? |
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Post by Bunny Hop on May 5, 2011 12:30:21 GMT -5
I didn't know being dumped at sea was an Islam burial tradition or custom. I know Eastern Islamic tradition is a little different from Western (here in the U.S.) Islamic culture but, I've never heard of disposing a body at sea is Islamic. I've heard of spreading the ashes at sea in some customs but the physical body? That's what pirates and sea captains did. I will reach high and say this, I think the U.S. did that on their own. By the way didn't they dump him off the side of an Air Craft carrier? I don't think that's Islamic. I heard it on the news so it could be total BS, LOL. It might just be something they're saying to appease folks. |
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Post by Bunny Hop on May 5, 2011 12:36:39 GMT -5
@sapphy: For all we know the top people in every country have seen the evidence. I think it's highly likely since there is so much that goes on that we don't know. This whole "we found him" all started happening in August and we had no clue until 9 months later.
But I kind of like not knowing everything that goes on. I know a lot of folks want full and complete transparency but I don't.
It felt like and episode of 24, LOL.
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Post by Sapphire on May 5, 2011 14:25:26 GMT -5
Just to clarify, the sea buriel was not the part to satisfy fellow muslims... that was to avoid having a shrine dedicated to him. The 24 hour burial and I assume the things that were done just before they dropped him were according to his faith. Muslims don't wait several days to be buried because they don't embalm. It's all fast, quick and in a hurry.
@ Bun, you may be right. I def don't want to see it and I think posting in the paper or on the interwebs is disrespectful. If other world leaders have seen it and are satisfied that it's the real deal, I'm good.
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Post by Noble Work on May 5, 2011 15:07:52 GMT -5
That sea burial thing will probably piss off a lot of his followers and Lieutenants. Wrong or right, I'm sure they had plans and customs in place for him IF death becomes him. Now, I don't believe the people in OBL circles would placed him so that whomever would of made a shrine of his burial. I would think they are smarter than that and thought things out lol.
But I do fear the worst. I fear that his camp WILL take what the U.S. did as disrespectful and that they will get back at us. That's my fear. I believe they will say that the U.S. took away an opportunity to have an Islamic burial. That they should of been the ones to dedicate his body back to the earth.
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Post by T-Rex91 on May 5, 2011 16:07:41 GMT -5
Allegedly, Saudi Arabia didn't want his body back and that was his country of citizenship. Don't know if the option was offered to anyone else. It's a damned any way scenario. But, I still wanna see the pics  |
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Post by goldmind1922 on May 6, 2011 3:34:57 GMT -5
1) I'm with BH... I don't get why people are so eager to see these pictures. It's not about respect for him as much as it's just unnecessary.
2) Also agree about it being in poor taste to host celebrations. Really now? Let's cut it out.
3) Sea Burial is allowed in Islamic tradition. Land burial is perferred but in the event the body would be mulitated or otherwise distrubed, sea burial is allowed.
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Post by T-Rex91 on May 6, 2011 7:07:56 GMT -5
I'm morbid, what can I say. Love Forensic Files, and First 48, CSI and the likes. when you look at old footage from the early 20th century when they were hunting gangsters, there were always pics of triumphant lawmen standing over Dillinger or some other gangster's body. I don't go to funerals to see the bodies of folks I don't know (but know some old folks who do) but a mass murderer's corpse? HAYLE YEAH!
Wait, so you bury at sea to AVOID mutilation? Short of leaving it in the wild to be discovered by jackals, that seems a mutilation scenario too. Like I said, shark food.
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Post by Bunny Hop on May 6, 2011 9:37:04 GMT -5
CSI is so super fake, LOL. Nothing on that show is real life.
Those cop/gangster pictures are just as gross as the hanging pictures and postcards to me.
I always thought old people went to funeral homes to see if they knew anyone...not to confirm whether or not someone was dead or because they like looking at dead people. I saw women doing that at my aunt's funeral and I thought it was morbid as hell but in that case I get it, especially in a small city or town like Huntsville. I won't be that old lady, LOL.
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Post by Noble Work on May 6, 2011 16:17:23 GMT -5
I've always known it was permitted ONLY if the person actually died at sea. Even that is an old custom. They now have means to preserve a body until the boat reaches land. If more than the allotted time then a sea burial is done but performed in Islamic tradition.
It was reported that his body was flown to this air craft carrier, a service was done then the body was disposed at sea. Not that a lot of people care but, his Islamic followers and maybe some family member will be HOT over this.
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Post by **Dea** on May 7, 2011 10:59:42 GMT -5
Releasing pics of his body would cause an ethical war no one wants. I trust my President when he tells me something.
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Post by Noble Work on May 7, 2011 12:15:40 GMT -5
Releasing pics of his body would cause an ethical war no one wants. I trust my President when he tells me something. I agree. But I also think they'll try to get at us because of this burial thing. |
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Post by Kyng of JDs on May 10, 2011 22:08:04 GMT -5
"Boom--Headshot"
yeah, I couldnt resist.
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Post by Julie Art on May 12, 2011 19:02:48 GMT -5
Releasing pics of his body would cause an ethical war no one wants. I trust my President when he tells me something. co-sign. |
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