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Post by Chal™ on Jul 23, 2010 16:18:08 GMT -5
As for the issue at hand... I was thrown off by the fact that I read the re-add in the thread, looked up at the top of the page for [1 new message] and didn't find it there. Warning/information helps. Ok. I can understand this. It could be said that we dropped the ball there. My question, though, is simple what's the "crime" here. That we brought her back or we didn't get "permission" to bring her back? |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 16:27:21 GMT -5
My point is you didn't negate the vote, nor did you mention that we should wait until Sapphy get back, which gave the indication you were ok with this.  if someone makes a motion and someone seconds, then that's that. I can't tell you not to vote on something you feel strongly about. As e-adp, i did what was expected and created that thread. Now I don't deny that there were many who DID/DO want Owlet 2 gone, but in that second vote, there were some who wanted her to stay. Chal, you could have easily said I move for a discussion. But, that is neither here or there now. That is why I formed the e-committee so we won't have these e-problems in the future, especially with us chartering a new e-chapter. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 16:31:57 GMT -5
As for the issue at hand... I was thrown off by the fact that I read the re-add in the thread, looked up at the top of the page for [1 new message] and didn't find it there. Warning/information helps. Ok. I can understand this. It could be said that we dropped the ball there. My question, though, is simple what's the "crime" here. That we brought her back or we didn't get "permission" to bring her back? That the e-membership was not talked to or consulted, heck I had no idea what was going on and I'm the e-president  And what we are e-upset about is the fact that the majority voted and it's like, let me speak for me, it's like for me it doesn't matter what the e-membership voted for, Chal and Sapphy wants her back, so she's back. Surely who all had to know we would e-feel some way about this once the majority e-voted her off. It was known how it was felt about her via that vote. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 16:33:58 GMT -5
At any rate, it has been recommended by the e-pledge protocal committee chair to move along with the e-process with Egg2 for this e-line and I agree with this recommendation.
If there is anyone who doesn't agree, please let it be known.
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Post by Chal™ on Jul 23, 2010 16:40:43 GMT -5
Chal, you could have easily said I move for a discussion. ok, now on this, I honestly DIDN'T know that was an option. Like seriously, in all of the IRL votes I've been invold in, there was a motion, a second, and a vote. I've learned something new here. That the e-membership was not talked to or consulted, heck I had no idea what was going on and I'm the e-president And what we are e-upset about is the fact that the majority voted and it's like, let me speak for me, it's like for me it doesn't matter what the e-membership voted for, Chal and Sapphy wants her back, so she's back. Surely who all had to know we would e-feel some way about this once the majority e-voted her off. It was known how it was felt about her via that vote. noted. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 16:44:21 GMT -5
Chal, you could have easily said I move for a discussion. ok, now on this, I honestly DIDN'T know that was an option. Like seriously, in all of the IRL votes I've been invold in, there was a motion, a second, and a vote. I've learned something new here. That the e-membership was not talked to or consulted, heck I had no idea what was going on and I'm the e-president And what we are e-upset about is the fact that the majority voted and it's like, let me speak for me, it's like for me it doesn't matter what the e-membership voted for, Chal and Sapphy wants her back, so she's back. Surely who all had to know we would e-feel some way about this once the majority e-voted her off. It was known how it was felt about her via that vote. noted. Yes, you can do that. There is a motion on the floor to vote, it is 2nd, then there is asked for any discussion before the voting (or maybe after, can't remember) and if there is none, the vote stands as is. I will say I dropped the ball on not saying is there any discussioon. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 16:58:10 GMT -5
I also want to go ahead and state that with the charting of the new e-chapter, that we need to vote who will be the e-Dean, simply because we stated in our e-bylaws that a new e-member could hold the position of e-ADP, but not e-Dean, so one of us here in the Alpha chapter will have to be e-dean. We also need to get our e-protocals and e-rules together to give to the new e-members if they ever cross.
Nominations can be made, but voting on the e-dean should be made once/if the new members e-cross so they can e-vote too.
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Post by IvyByDesign on Jul 23, 2010 18:41:23 GMT -5
I'm with e-soror Gamma, I expected some heads up if anything but yep, there was no point in e-voting her out as an e-chapter if two e-sorors were gonna just bring her back anyway. Dah well. It doesn't matter what we e-think, so moving along, let's see them make it before the end of the month?
Could the e-sorors get a PM heads up on when e-probate is so that we don't miss it? Please and thanks.
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 19:31:53 GMT -5
I missed that part. Not sure, I was not able to participate. Yes, everyone that voted agreed that Egg2 should have been dropped; however only 7 people voted out of 16+ active e-sorors. Chal and I dropped Egg3 and put her back on e-line and nobody said anything… just sayin’ Every e-soror has input on who makes the e-line… including the e-board. There has never been an instance where the e-board or the e-chapter has been involved in determining if an e-pledge got dropped. That’s something that we can implement moving forward… I was mainly clarifying the current situation and indicating that protocol was not breached. Y’all are adding in new stuff and calling it protocol. Fortunately we haven’t had many people dropped in the past, so this hasn’t been an issue. *looks around* Bold part, point of clairification because that is not true. I can't count the last time we had that many e-sorors at an e-event or e-meeting, so that information is not correct. The 7 count number is correct, so that represent a majority. Very true Lizzy. But that being said, many of the people that voted haven't active in eons, so it goes both ways. |
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 19:35:04 GMT -5
At this point, and at this stage in the process I think we should continue with the process...despite the miscommunication. I wil work on the E-intake handbook and then have a meeting with the E-membership committee. I agree. |
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 19:41:40 GMT -5
At this point, and at this stage in the process I think we should continue with the process... despite the miscommunication. I wil work on the E-intake handbook and then have a meeting with the E-membership committee. Underlined, I've felt this way about this e-process for a while. That is why I said no more YIMs and talking in PMs because the whole e-membership had no idea what was going on, which is never good. I apologize for any miscommunication we may have given or lack of communication on our part. We have been available via PM at any time during this process and have been happy to answer any questions the e-sorors might have, but maybe we did not do a good job in letting e-sorors know we were available? But there haven't been any secrets we've been keeping. Our private discussions have been more focused on things we want them to learn and when we got them to progress to the next stage, nothing that specifically applied to all e-sorors. |
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 19:44:11 GMT -5
As for the issue at hand... I was thrown off by the fact that I read the re-add in the thread, looked up at the top of the page for [1 new message] and didn't find it there. Warning/information helps. Ok. I can understand this. It could be said that we dropped the ball there. My question, though, is simple what's the "crime" here. That we brought her back or we didn't get "permission" to bring her back? Very true. We could have sent a PM to let e-sorors know, versus posting in the nest. We hand't quite made a decision until yesterday but we should have send some sort of announcement. |
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 19:50:23 GMT -5
I'm with e-soror Gamma, I expected some heads up if anything but yep, there was no point in e-voting her out as an e-chapter if two e-sorors were gonna just bring her back anyway. Dah well. It doesn't matter what we e-think, so moving along, let's see them make it before the end of the month? Could the e-sorors get a PM heads up on when e-probate is so that we don't miss it? Please and thanks. My bad. We should have handled this differently and will do better in the future. And yes, it does matter what other e-sorors think. We did not intend to make you think otherwise. We've taken your thoughts into consideration about Egg2 from the start, including our initial starting date. But we can't please everybody all of the time. And to restate and clarify, there was never a majority to begin with... 7 votes in a hasty OO e-election does not a majority make. And yes, Chal and I determined the probate date a few hours ago and I'll be sending everyone a PM. Sorry for the delay, we were trying to coordinate our schedules, make sure the Owlets finished new tasks that Chal and I wanted them to complete, and to make sure all of the outstanding assignments requested by all e-sorors had been completed so we could move forward. PM is coming shortly (after my nap. ) |
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 20:14:05 GMT -5
I also want to go ahead and state that with the charting of the new e-chapter, that we need to vote who will be the e-Dean, simply because we stated in our e-bylaws that a new e-member could hold the position of e-ADP, but not e-Dean, so one of us here in the Alpha chapter will have to be e-dean. We also need to get our e-protocals and e-rules together to give to the new e-members if they ever cross. Nominations can be made, but voting on the e-dean should be made once/if the new members e-cross so they can e-vote too. Good point. My suggestion would be to have an Alpha Chapter e-soror serve in this role initially. I think it should also be someont that's currently active on SH. So I nominate you (Lizzy) to be e-Dean for Beta Chapter. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 20:19:57 GMT -5
I feel all communication should take place the way it was with the first e-line, out in the open. No YIMs, no PMs, all out for everyone to see simply because the e-dean and e-adp may facilitate the process, but all e-members take part in the process, thus why all e-members need to know everything.
At any rate, lets move on. The e-pledge manual will take care of all of this.
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 20:25:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the nomination but I respectfully decline simply because I've been it too many times and we need to let others serve. I nominate Southie.
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 20:33:32 GMT -5
I feel all communication should take place the way it was with the first e-line, out in the open. No YIMs, no PMs, all out for everyone to see simply because the e-dean and e-adp may facilitate the process, but all e-members take part in the process, thus why all e-members need to know everything. At any rate, lets move on. The e-pledge manual will take care of all of this. I agree with this in theory; although I think certain comments, requests, etc. are not necessarily appropriate for the public. We haven't done it that way for years, but it might be a nice change. Not sure what "information" y'all are looking for. As an e-member since 2006 I don't see anything more or less being disseminated this time around. But e-sorors can vote on how it should go moving forward so that everyone feels like their included and has a say or abililty to get involved... whatever the group agrees to is fine with me. |
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 20:34:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the nomination but I respectfully decline simply because I've been it too many times and we need to let others serve. I nominate Southie. That's cool. I think Southie would be good to. I second. |
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Post by IvyByDesign on Jul 23, 2010 21:04:12 GMT -5
@sapphy: once an e-soror, always an e-soror, the e-pledge was for e-life. I'm here now.
This is all squashed now, yes?
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 21:18:51 GMT -5
I agree. I was merely responding to Juicy's comment about not having a certain number of e-sorors attending meetings as a basis for who could vote.
But yes, it's squashed for me... I had no beef to begin with... you all had the beef with me and Chal, so i'm just answering questions posed to me so we're all on the same page and communicating effectively for the remainder of your short time left.
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Post by Sapphire on Jul 23, 2010 21:31:39 GMT -5
E-sorors, check your PMs. I think I got everyone... but if you did NOT get a PM, please let me know.
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 23, 2010 22:59:06 GMT -5
*hugs Bunny*
girl you good. And it wasn't beef Sapphy, we just needed clarification. Tis all.
E-hugs for everyone! I'm so glad you all are my e-sisters!
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Post by IvyByDesign on Jul 26, 2010 8:24:24 GMT -5
Awwwwwwww, I e-love y'all too!!!! Nothing can come between me and my e-sorors. *dots eyes with buttercreme OO hanky* *hugs Bunny* girl you good. And it wasn't beef Sapphy, we just needed clarification. Tis all. E-hugs for everyone! I'm so glad you all are my e-sisters! |
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Post by Chal™ on Jul 26, 2010 9:16:00 GMT -5
*wants to be e-mean and give out e-church hugs but the thought of her e-sorors all coming together with e-love and e-understanding makes her e-heart melt*
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lol
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Awwwwwww
*hugs everyone*
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Post by IvyByDesign on Jul 26, 2010 10:18:57 GMT -5
LOL p if you DON'T do the church hugs, some members will have you smelling like their perfume. Seriously, one of the ladies in my church gets me when I am not careful, be riding home smelling of old lady perfume. LOL p *wants to be e-mean and give out e-church hugs but the thought of her e-sorors all coming together with e-love and e-understanding makes her e-heart melt* P* lol P* Awwwwwww *hugs everyone* |
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