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Post by huey on Jul 10, 2010 0:59:13 GMT -5
If you didn't pledge why probate?
I feel that way about UG orgs who skated and probated.
Why we cheering and getting gifts for someone who signed some papers and paid some money.
People want all the glits and glamour without putting in the work.
They want all the traditions that come from pledging, without doing the actual pledging.
That's wack.
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Post by Robelite on Jul 10, 2010 14:18:07 GMT -5
What does any of that have to do with a "coming out" or Neo Presentation show, Huey? Has anyone ever FORCED you to present gifts to new members of your own organization or anyone else's? When your initiation is OVER, it's OVER! What do you think should be done....allow only those who "got down" to be presented to the campus or community? And we wonder why there is so much divisive bullsheet going on at our chapters in our orgs.  |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 10, 2010 15:57:44 GMT -5
If you didn't pledge why probate? I feel that way about UG orgs who skated and probated. Why we cheering and getting gifts for someone who signed some papers and paid some money. People want all the glits and glamour without putting in the work. They want all the traditions that come from pledging, without doing the actual pledging. That's wack. Hell freakin' yeah! You saying exactly what I feel. But in the end, those little grad shows do not matter. It isn't like those paper tigers are going to come around the people who were made and participate in the true bond of Greek life. Nobody goes to those shows except chapter members. If you only have chapter members at your 'show', you did not have a real process! |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 10, 2010 19:25:34 GMT -5
If you didn't pledge why probate? I feel that way about UG orgs who skated and probated. Why we cheering and getting gifts for someone who signed some papers and paid some money. People want all the glits and glamour without putting in the work. They want all the traditions that come from pledging, without doing the actual pledging. That's wack. Hell freakin' yeah! You saying exactly what I feel. But in the end, those little grad shows do not matter. It isn't like those paper tigers are going to come around the people who were made and participate in the true bond of Greek life. Nobody goes to those shows except chapter members. If you only have chapter members at your 'show', you did not have a real process! Sooo... folks outside of your chapter had to see you for your process to be legitimate? Folks outside your chapter legitimized your process? lol Hell naw. I mean I saw folks outside my chapter when on and folks outside my chapter came to my Presentation but it has and will always be conferred..... It's a PRIVILEGE to see a Bloody Pi Chapter Lamp. We need no confirmation. We are good by ourselves. Every chapter should think like this in my estimation. Your process is showing or lack therof..... lol |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 11, 2010 10:25:27 GMT -5
Hell freakin' yeah! You saying exactly what I feel. But in the end, those little grad shows do not matter. It isn't like those paper tigers are going to come around the people who were made and participate in the true bond of Greek life. Nobody goes to those shows except chapter members. If you only have chapter members at your 'show', you did not have a real process! Sooo... folks outside of your chapter had to see you for your process to be legitimate? Folks outside your chapter legitimized your process? lol Hell naw. I mean I saw folks outside my chapter when on and folks outside my chapter came to my Presentation but it has and will always be conferred..... It's a PRIVILEGE to see a Bloody Pi Chapter Lamp. We need no confirmation. We are good by ourselves. Every chapter should think like this in my estimation. Your process is showing or lack therof..... lol Seeing folks outside of my chapter was all about learning traditions and recognizing brothers that I would encounter after I crossed. A person could cross by only being pledged by his/ her dean. But that would look rather suspect. I definitely take pride in my chapter, but I also enjoy knowing brothers from other yards. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 11, 2010 17:44:35 GMT -5
Sooo... folks outside of your chapter had to see you for your process to be legitimate? Folks outside your chapter legitimized your process? lol Hell naw. I mean I saw folks outside my chapter when on and folks outside my chapter came to my Presentation but it has and will always be conferred..... It's a PRIVILEGE to see a Bloody Pi Chapter Lamp. We need no confirmation. We are good by ourselves. Every chapter should think like this in my estimation. Your process is showing or lack therof..... lol Seeing folks outside of my chapter was all about learning traditions and recognizing brothers that I would encounter after I crossed. A person could cross by only being pledged by his/ her dean. But that would look rather suspect. I definitely take pride in my chapter, but I also enjoy knowing brothers from other yards. Naw whats rather suspect is not seeing everyone in your own chapter. It looks real dumb when you know new dudes from other surrounding chapters but when a 70's 80's or early 90's brother from your own chapter runs up on you and you don't know him. THAT's suspect. ESPECIALLY if you are his/her number/ "spesh" for the sistahs . That's even more suspect. SO much is lost. damn shame |
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Post by All Pledging Is Legal on Jul 11, 2010 20:19:31 GMT -5
Seeing folks outside of my chapter was all about learning traditions and recognizing brothers that I would encounter after I crossed. A person could cross by only being pledged by his/ her dean. But that would look rather suspect. I definitely take pride in my chapter, but I also enjoy knowing brothers from other yards. Naw whats rather suspect is not seeing everyone in your own chapter. It looks real dumb when you know new dudes from other surrounding chapters but when a 70's 80's or early 90's brother from your own chapter runs up on you and you don't know him. THAT's suspect. ESPECIALLY if you are his/her number/ "spesh" for the sistahs . That's even more suspect. SO much is lost. damn shame Are you serious? Were you seen by everyone in your chapter? You are from a single letter chapter, which means your chapter has hundreds, if not a few thousand members. You already know that once brothers hit a certain age, they stop pledging guys. I was seen by the brothers in my chapter who wanted to see me. Those who did not, did not see me. But I never had a problem with chapter members because everybody had the opportunity to see me if they chose. My whole point with being pledged by other chapters is that my pledge process was not hidden or restricted. Maybe it would have been better some nights if I had only been hazed by a few chapter brothers, but unfortunately me and my LBs were seen by large groups of brothers. I will not go into details, but being seen by over 200 brothers over a weekend was not uncommon. Wait: You are from a single-letter chapter. No wonder you are such an asshole! Every brother I meet from a single letter chapter has an elitist mindset. I guess that when the founders of your chapter met or saw the founders of your org, you do get a sense of entitlement and bragging rights! ;D |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 12, 2010 7:41:53 GMT -5
Naw whats rather suspect is not seeing everyone in your own chapter. It looks real dumb when you know new dudes from other surrounding chapters but when a 70's 80's or early 90's brother from your own chapter runs up on you and you don't know him. THAT's suspect. ESPECIALLY if you are his/her number/ "spesh" for the sistahs . That's even more suspect. SO much is lost. damn shame Are you serious? Were you seen by everyone in your chapter? You are from a single letter chapter, which means your chapter has hundreds, if not a few thousand members. You already know that once brothers hit a certain age, they stop pledging guys. I was seen by the brothers in my chapter who wanted to see me. Those who did not, did not see me. But I never had a problem with chapter members because everybody had the opportunity to see me if they chose. My whole point with being pledged by other chapters is that my pledge process was not hidden or restricted. Maybe it would have been better some nights if I had only been hazed by a few chapter brothers, but unfortunately me and my LBs were seen by large groups of brothers. I will not go into details, but being seen by over 200 brothers over a weekend was not uncommon. Wait: You are from a single-letter chapter. No wonder you are such an asshole! Every brother I meet from a single letter chapter has an elitist mindset. I guess that when the founders of your chapter met or saw the founders of your org, you do get a sense of entitlement and bragging rights! ;D Has nothing to do with a single letter chapter and definitely has nothing to do with being restricted or hidden. It has to do with honor, tradition, lineage, etc. Everything that molds the young men who have and will come through our chapter to be a certain way. How can we set the pace that everyone else follows if we base our process around the confirmation of others? How can you believe its more important to meet folks outside of your chapter and you were never instructed to reach back call your older chapter brothers whom you share a number with and greet them daily? Write them letters? Furthermore I doubt you were seeing 200 dudes in a weekend from your area. If it so happens you were seeing that many it means your area is spitting out dudes like a factory and they probably were not thorough enough to teach you shit any way. Either way your claim of outsiders legitimizing your process is flawed. In my eyes... You are seen by others..,. you are MADE by your chapter. Big difference. |
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Post by Iceman on Jul 12, 2010 11:04:32 GMT -5
@ Huey – I agree.
@ Nupey & VP – Some good points were made in your exchange.
While my UG chapter has always cross-trained with chapters in neighboring proximity when we had lines, there was no official By-Law or anything that said other chapters MUST see our boys for them to be validated or considered official. Our chapter by itself had enough history, tradition and thoroughbreds to carry out that task alone.
However, we invited other chapters to see our boys based on the respect of the long standing relationship we had with them. It was out of that same respect that if you were invited to see another chapter’s line during their process, your chapter would come to witness them go over, congratulate them, and dap them up. That’s why outside of the student body, most probates were filled with visiting Frat as well - Not just there as mere spectators alone, but their presence was a show of respect for what they saw and were a part of “first hand”.
Another thing about linking up with other chapters. We especially made it happen when other chapters had boys on during the same semester as well. There was nothing like an old school round up with three to four chapters having all their boys lock up together in a joint set. In those instances of going through the trenches together, the Sphinxmen from different chapters formed an up close and personal bond right away, kept in contact, and encouraged one another for the remainder of their journey.
The starting point of their common camaraderie wasn’t forced to wait until after they all crossed… just because they had the same crossing season and year on their shirt. Nah, dudes had already learned together, protected one another and been in the cut for one another. Talk about close Sands…..
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Post by Iceman on Jul 12, 2010 11:13:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah @ VP – Excellent point by the way in regards to getting trained by or getting to know members of your chapter dating back to the 90’s, 80’s, 70’s etc while on. Nupey was right in saying that the further you go back, many members won't be as “hands on” anymore. But I remember the OLD heads we met while on, sent letters to, gave “wake up calls” to, etc, all appreciated that tradition was still being kept and upheld – And such was communicated directly to us after finishing.
It’s up to a thorough Dean to know that it’s prudent you reach out (and back) to members of your own house first to afford them the proper respect and opportunity to meet a new line should they wish. Again though, that’s on the Dean and how he came in & was taught. The line will only learn or do as they are told.
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 12, 2010 11:25:32 GMT -5
RIght@Iceman. Like folks think just because an old head not whuppin ass he can't pledge you. It would light up any Deans eyes and ears when he hears his boys spitting something he didn't teach them. He asks "who thought you that" and we reply big brother such and such. Or Big Brother such n such teaches us an old school march.
As far as seeing other chapters when we step into the room we are coming to outshine everyone. Period. We are coming to take over. We are coming to Set the Pace and everyone else will follow. At my chapter it is imperative that we know more, are better conditioned, and march better than any other pledgee's around regardless if they are further along in their process or not. This can only be taught in house. When we see outside chapters it a night off for us. We ready to shine. Those internal sets though are a whole other monster. If you come to see any of our boys you will be charged up big time because if you can't teach shit..... you can't see shit.
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Post by Iceman on Jul 12, 2010 11:58:00 GMT -5
RIght@Iceman. Like folks think just because an old head not whuppin ass he can't pledge you. It would light up any Deans eyes and ears when he hears his boys spitting something he didn't teach them. He asks "who thought you that" and we reply big brother such and such. Or Big Brother such n such teaches us an old school march. As far as seeing other chapters when we step into the room we are coming to outshine everyone. Period. We are coming to take over. We are coming to Set the Pace and everyone else will follow. At my chapter it is imperative that we know more, are better conditioned, and march better than any other pledgee's around regardless if they are further along in their process or not. This can only be taught in house. When we see outside chapters it a night off for us. We ready to shine. Those internal sets though are a whole other monster. If you come to see any of our boys you will be charged up big time because if you can't teach shit..... you can't see shit. My dude, you ain’t saying nothing slick to a can of oil. I love it. It’s the mentality that was taught and flawlessly executed when it was game time with guests. There would be more fear of the repercussions when you got back home if you didn’t shine and style on em’. I could say more, but I won’t. Salute. |
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Post by huey on Jul 13, 2010 1:04:38 GMT -5
What does any of that have to do with a "coming out" or Neo Presentation show, Huey? Has anyone ever FORCED you to present gifts to new members of your own organization or anyone else's? When your initiation is OVER, it's OVER! What do you think should be done....allow only those who "got down" to be presented to the campus or community? And we wonder why there is so much divisive bullsheet going on at our chapters in our orgs. Why is it so necessary to present them to the campus or community. You making it seem like they are entitled to it. Its divisive because like i said, some people want all the traditions that come from pledging, without doing the actual pledging. |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jul 13, 2010 7:44:27 GMT -5
Good Point Huey!
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Post by Southie on Jul 13, 2010 8:58:47 GMT -5
What does any of that have to do with a "coming out" or Neo Presentation show, Huey? Has anyone ever FORCED you to present gifts to new members of your own organization or anyone else's? When your initiation is OVER, it's OVER! What do you think should be done....allow only those who "got down" to be presented to the campus or community? And we wonder why there is so much divisive bullsheet going on at our chapters in our orgs. Why is it so necessary to present them to the campus or community. You making it seem like they are entitled to it. Its divisive because like i said, some people want all the traditions that come from pledging, without doing the actual pledging. That is very confusing. If the person did not pledge, then how would they or even put together a "probate" show. That in itself is very confusing and simply would make no sense. Who would encourage such a thing? If the person that is incharge of their process would think that is a good idea...not sure what it would be based on, then... Interesting. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Jul 13, 2010 9:37:38 GMT -5
Okay even still when Probates were the norm grad chapters could not probate. What would you probate a person who is leading a real life from? Is that registering to you at all? Do you get that? A grad member could be a probate in some forms but could never have a true probate which is the start of the probation period. I do not think that you were getting my point. In fact, I know you did not...moving forward. Well what was your point? You said undergrads were not apart of the discussion then you speaking about Probates. Graduate members couldn't have a probate show because probation couldn't be enforced. So what was your point? Tell us the point you're trying to make? Stating that the term is used "loosely" for those who could never be true probates in the first place is  . I don't think you wanna get it though. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 13, 2010 9:52:23 GMT -5
RIght@Iceman. Like folks think just because an old head not whuppin ass he can't pledge you. It would light up any Deans eyes and ears when he hears his boys spitting something he didn't teach them. He asks "who thought you that" and we reply big brother such and such. Or Big Brother such n such teaches us an old school march. As far as seeing other chapters when we step into the room we are coming to outshine everyone. Period. We are coming to take over. We are coming to Set the Pace and everyone else will follow. At my chapter it is imperative that we know more, are better conditioned, and march better than any other pledgee's around regardless if they are further along in their process or not. This can only be taught in house. When we see outside chapters it a night off for us. We ready to shine. Those internal sets though are a whole other monster. If you come to see any of our boys you will be charged up big time because if you can't teach shit..... you can't see shit. strobelights! My prophytes didn't play that and I think that is how it should be. You had to go through them first. I respected them for that too, so no off the wall person wouldn't be coming in trying to teach us bogus stuff and treat it like it's gospel. |
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Post by Southie on Jul 13, 2010 10:32:24 GMT -5
I do not think that you were getting my point. In fact, I know you did not...moving forward. Well what was your point? You said undergrads were not apart of the discussion then you speaking about Probates. Graduate members couldn't have a probate show because probation couldn't be enforced. So what was your point? Tell us the point you're trying to make? Stating that the term is used "loosely" for those who could never be true probates in the first place is . I don't think you wanna get it though. What??? O.k nevermind. |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2010 13:27:03 GMT -5
You noticed that too uh Theophilos. One of them didn't even throw up the pyramid, she was just holding her hands up, ROTFL! I guess let me watch this vid... I didnt get this far.. when i opened it up and some them coming out in that sad as line I quit watching... ETA: she was clearly doing Spirit Fingers!! LMAO..... WTF  and...it took them over a minute to name the founders.. and some were still having problems!!!! SMH |
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 14, 2010 7:35:49 GMT -5
If you didn't pledge why probate? I feel that way about UG orgs who skated and probated. Why we cheering and getting gifts for someone who signed some papers and paid some money. People want all the glits and glamour without putting in the work. They want all the traditions that come from pledging, without doing the actual pledging. That's wack. I just saw this and I agree with everything mentioned. |
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Post by mrknowitall1906 on Jul 16, 2010 15:10:01 GMT -5
Well I'm glad to see my chapter is not the only having this problem. People who join ALumni chapter fresh out of college think the experience is the same and it's not. Realize you are at a different phase in your life! Please grow up and realize you "missed" out!
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Post by Bathroom Model on Jul 16, 2010 15:28:57 GMT -5
Well I'm glad to see my chapter is not the only having this problem. People who join ALumni chapter fresh out of college think the experience is the same and it's not. Realize you are at a different phase in your life! Please grow up and realize you "missed" out! I had to have that talk with myself before I persued grad. Plus, it a little lame trying to play the "undergrad" role as an alumni. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 16, 2010 15:42:54 GMT -5
Well I'm glad to see my chapter is not the only having this problem. People who join ALumni chapter fresh out of college think the experience is the same and it's not. Realize you are at a different phase in your life! Please grow up and realize you "missed" out! I always tell people that grad chapter is what you make of it. There are grad chapters that are just as, if not more, bout it than some undergrad chapters. My question, however, is what exactly does someone "miss out" on by going grad as opposed to undergrad? I know that they miss out on being Greek as an undergrad and miss the whole "being Greek on the yard" experience, but what else specifically do UGs get that Grads can't/shouldn't have? |
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Post by Bathroom Model on Jul 16, 2010 16:54:53 GMT -5
Well I'm glad to see my chapter is not the only having this problem. People who join ALumni chapter fresh out of college think the experience is the same and it's not. Realize you are at a different phase in your life! Please grow up and realize you "missed" out! I always tell people that grad chapter is what you make of it. There are grad chapters that are just as, if not more, bout it than some undergrad chapters. My question, however, is what exactly does someone "miss out" on by going grad as opposed to undergrad? I know that they miss out on being Greek as an undergrad and miss the whole "being Greek on the yard" experience, but what else specifically do UGs get that Grads can't/shouldn't have? *A lot of pari is geared to the ungdergrads( plus once you've graduated pari doesn't fit to well in your corporate job wardrobe) * A lot of grad chapters don't step , stroll, call throw up signs. I know mine don't * Don't sponsor parties etc a undergrad greek would know better than me But hey you just go to know to let somethings go and embrace the Grown & Sexy part of Greek life |
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 16, 2010 17:38:59 GMT -5
I always tell people that grad chapter is what you make of it. There are grad chapters that are just as, if not more, bout it than some undergrad chapters. My question, however, is what exactly does someone "miss out" on by going grad as opposed to undergrad? I know that they miss out on being Greek as an undergrad and miss the whole "being Greek on the yard" experience, but what else specifically do UGs get that Grads can't/shouldn't have? *A lot of pari is geared to the ungdergrads( plus once you've graduated pari doesn't fit to well in your corporate job wardrobe) * A lot of grad chapters don't step , stroll, call throw up signs. I know mine don't * Don't sponsor parties etc a undergrad greek would know better than me But hey you just go to know to let somethings go and embrace the Grown & Sexy part of Greek life What state are you in? The members of grad chapters where I am do calls, stroll, throw up the sign, and throw parties. Many of them also have step teams. The nalia stores here sell nalia that is geared toward members of the organizations in general. As for nalia at corporate jobs, there is a time and place for everything. However, I have worked at companies that had casual Fridays and the Greeks would sometimes decide to wear their nalia on those days. There was even a church here that did a Greek appreciation day where the Greeks wore letters to church and there was a luncheon. They wanted to highlight the positive things that Black Greeks still do in the community. So maybe it all depends on what grad chapter you are a member of and where you are. **Kanye shrug** |
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Post by Ms. RedamnDickulous on Jul 21, 2010 1:58:34 GMT -5
That was painful to watch at times...
Based on some of the comments above, many do not know what a Probate is. By the early 90's we were all mostly seeing/doing "coming out shows" or whatever PC language you want to use to call them. Even still, the presentation after you cross is just that- not a probate. Considering this group did this after they finished, they should have practiced one more week or so then presented...
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Post by waymaker2010 on Jul 23, 2010 12:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by frozenmenace on Jul 23, 2010 12:33:33 GMT -5
This is actually better than a number of undergraduate neo shows I have seen. |
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Post by ORACLE on Jul 23, 2010 13:48:45 GMT -5
One of my friends mom just pledged DST undergrad and they had a show. It was awesome too. They have on dvd and everything. Now everything is her house is crimson and cream. LOL!
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 26, 2010 10:25:57 GMT -5
Well I'm glad to see my chapter is not the only having this problem. People who join ALumni chapter fresh out of college think the experience is the same and it's not. Realize you are at a different phase in your life! Please grow up and realize you "missed" out! I agree. |
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