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Post by PHIRECHYLD on Apr 21, 2010 15:47:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure that we've discussed this or not, but in a greek culture where "snitching" is "encouraged" but not tolerated and "cutting deals" are just as bad...
What are your thoughts?
Should we allow whistleblowers to join our respective orgs?
On what conditions?
What if the person was a chapter reject (that qualifies on paper)and they were the "whistleblower" asking for access in exchange for information?
I know that we've all heard about people "cutting deals" by snitching on "underground" or "illegal" activities and subsequently gaining access to the organization that they told on.
Again, what are your thoughts?
Is this moral or an unspoken violation of brotherhood/sisterhood?
More importantly, would you consider them your "brother" or "sister" in the bond of greekdom?
Share stories if you got'em.
This should be interesting.
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Post by frozenmenace on Apr 21, 2010 15:57:29 GMT -5
I'm somewhat in the middle on this one. I don't have much respect for a whistle blower. However, I don't have respect for brothers who put my organization in jeopardy by engaging in "illegal" activities either. I don't see why someone would want to gain membership that way, but I guess some people would walk through Hell to get what they want.
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 21, 2010 15:59:50 GMT -5
I'm somewhat in the middle on this one. I don't have much respect for a whistle blower. However, I don't have respect for brothers who put my organization in jeopardy by engaging in "illegal" activities either. I don't see why someone would want to gain membership that way, but I guess some people would walk through Hell to get what they want. Kinda with Froze on this one. I'm for pledging, but not causing bodily harm and near death, or death. If it is to that extent, I understand, but then again to tell just so you can get in and it isn't to that extent. I dunno. |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 21, 2010 16:00:15 GMT -5
<-- searching for a good blower
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Post by icebraka on Apr 21, 2010 16:06:32 GMT -5
<-- searching for a good blower exit stage right---------------------->> |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 21, 2010 16:10:21 GMT -5
LMAO
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 21, 2010 16:10:27 GMT -5
The answer is going to be relative to the situation.
Given that people have died while being hazed, if someone whistelblows the activity, to the parents of the child on that line, you're a hero, to someone on that line, perhaps y0u're a traitor.
I personally have nothing but respect for the people who were whistleblowers that alerted people to the Firestone tire problems. If you worked at Firestone maybe you didn't see their actions as heroically. Might even think that these people didn't need to be a part of Firestone Corporation anymore. It's all relative.
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Post by PHIRECHYLD on Apr 21, 2010 16:11:06 GMT -5
Well for those who are "pro-pledging"... Well technically it's considered "illegal" activity. Let's say someone went to the NPHC Advisor and said, "Excuse me, the AKAs are pledging girls and I know that pledging has been illegal since '89. I'm on the line and I feel that it should stop since everyone else isn't doing it. I'll give up the names if you allow me and my line to come through."
Is that problematic?
What's wrong with that situation versus a "I applied to be an Alpha and I was turned down because apparently they've already had a line up despite the claims of an informational. I saw them out there engaging in pledging activity at 3am. I wasn't given a chance to join this semester because of their pre-informational activities already taking place. I believe that I should be admitted since I meet the qualifications."
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 21, 2010 16:12:47 GMT -5
I would want to slap both of them!
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Post by PHIRECHYLD on Apr 21, 2010 16:14:39 GMT -5
I would want to slap both of them! According to university policy they are considered "heroes" because they are protecting fellow students from "illegal activities". So now the question becomes, "Where do we draw the line from university mandates versus our very own tradition?" |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 21, 2010 16:20:57 GMT -5
But are they really snitching for the good of the others, do they really care about these people they dont even know or are they snitching because they didnt make and they're bitter/jealous.
In both of your scenrios, they are not sincere. The AKA only will snitch if they allow her and her line to come through, means to me that she's snitching cause she cant handle what she's been going through, she wants the same results though, just with an easier path to follow.
Him, he just mad cause he didnt make it
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Post by Southie on Apr 21, 2010 16:33:14 GMT -5
If the person is viewing dangerous activities they need to take the correct meausres. Now, in these instances I do question the "intake coordinator" (trying to keep it legit) in allowing for the activity to go down a very "problematic" matter. Also, as mentioned earlier, every situation is different. You have those that are bitter they were not selected, you have those that completely emebellish on the situation due to some other "personal" matters. The list goes on...
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Post by PHIRECHYLD on Apr 21, 2010 16:35:19 GMT -5
Do y'all think that nationals really care why someone is snitching?
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Post by thatque on Apr 21, 2010 16:38:51 GMT -5
;D ^^^^ PLEASE SEE PRIOR POST ^^^^ ;D
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Post by LejaOMG on Apr 21, 2010 16:39:52 GMT -5
I'm in favor of membership for true "whistleblowers." However, many people walking around claiming "whistleblower immunity" are really just snitches.
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Post by Southie on Apr 21, 2010 16:40:52 GMT -5
Thatque is hilarious!
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Post by Southie on Apr 21, 2010 16:41:27 GMT -5
Not a fan of whistleblowers...
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Post by PHIRECHYLD on Apr 21, 2010 16:44:49 GMT -5
;D ^^^^ PLEASE SEE PRIOR POST ^^^^ ;D YOU ARE WRONG!! PLEDGING IS ILLEGAL AND UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD WE GO AROUND PLEDGING PEOPLE!!!! *High fives ThatQue* Quietly, you my dude and I'm gonna take you to Magic City for that. Admission and the first round of drinks and lapdances on me. lol.  |
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Post by FatalDST on Apr 21, 2010 16:45:13 GMT -5
LOL @ whistleblower immunity
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Post by thatque on Apr 21, 2010 16:47:48 GMT -5
Not a fan of whistleblowers... |
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Post by Bathroom Model on Apr 21, 2010 16:47:57 GMT -5
Do y'all think that nationals really care why someone is snitching? NO. Nationals cares only cares about lawsuits. smh |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 21, 2010 16:52:26 GMT -5
This is Real Talk! Seriously! Either get it in at point of gaining membership, or deal with it in some form or shape the rest of your life. |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 21, 2010 16:53:44 GMT -5
Not a fan of whistleblowers... I e-hate you! Buahahahhahahahahhahahaha! |
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Post by thatque on Apr 21, 2010 17:00:11 GMT -5
Hold on lets just look at this for a second, Who likes a WHISTLEBLOWER? for example we all remember Monica Lewinsky, Right? Now everyone in the world now what she did (or didn't do) with OUR former President William Jefferson Clinton! She is famous or infamous but who really know or remember who the WHISTERBLOWER was? The Old ugly white republican (faking to be a democrat) woman, but what is her name? Nobody knows because she was a WHISTLEBLOWER!
In my best Bernie Mac voice: "SO AMERICA, PLEASE STOP IT NOW!"
because.... In my MC BREED voice (R.I.P) "Ain't no future in you fronting" or SNITCHING - So don't be a WHISTLEBLOWER! - IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK & THAT IS NOT WHAT IS HOT IN THE STREETS!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Apr 21, 2010 17:23:23 GMT -5
Ok I'll play Devil's advocate...
...I think the general sentiment is that no one likes a snitch but it feels like we're skipping past something important here.
Dropping dime precludes us from knowing alternate future outcomes. Maybe the pledges would have been fine and the dime dropper wrecked a good thing. On the other hand, maybe a looming tragedy was actually averted and the dime dropper is a hero. How do you tell? Without omniscience - you can't.
Up until the night Donnie Wade died, how many people would be in favor of whistleblowers? How many do you suppose are in favor of them now?
Up until the night that Kristin High and Kenitha Saafir drowned, how do you suppose people felt about "whistleblowers"? How many do you suppose are in favor of them now?
I'll bring up my Firestone Tire Whistleblower analogy and ask again, how many of you feel like they are traitors for revealing the danger in those tires?
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Post by thatque on Apr 21, 2010 17:34:07 GMT -5
;D ^^^^ PLEASE SEE PRIOR POST ^^^^ ;D R.I.F - READING IS FUNDAMENTAL! - F.T.F.D - FAILURE TO FOLLOW DIRECTIONS! NUFF SAID
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Post by Iceman on Apr 23, 2010 9:20:15 GMT -5
Phire – Although some may disagree, I’m just gonna keep it real. I do believe the answer will vary according to the scenario. However, being that I have been and still am in favor of a structured pledge process, per your example, I say NO - I don’t believe we should allow whistleblowers to join.
Say this person got rejected from the gate or was previously on line but couldn’t take the heat and dropped. If they are now offering information on an underground line ONLY on the basis that they be granted automatic membership – What is that telling you?
If they really cared about the well being of their fellow classmates or ex-LB’s, they would just willingly give up what they knew out of genuine concern without feeling the need to “cut a deal”. But because of their proposed negotiation tactics, that screams to me that they are only dropping dime for a self serving purpose. Point blank, they want membership the most easiest and convenient way they can get it.
You got rejected or dropped line? Either correct your mistakes and try again or pledge and see it through next time. But why put a hard working, underground line in jeopardy who are earning membership through a process they want to partake in - A process they were obviously given the opportunity to be a part of? Again, when it becomes apparent you’re not doing it out of some sort of genuine concern, that equates to it being done out of selfishness or jealousy. So my answer is No. Furthermore, if they did ultimately receive membership based on their dime dropping, No, I would not be Fraternal with them. That’s just me though.
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Post by Troopa1911 on Apr 23, 2010 10:00:43 GMT -5
<-- searching for a good blower  Very interesting topic. I can't recall ever discussing this.
I think it depends on how much knowledge they ( Whistleblower) have, if it's early in the process don't kut no deals. If it's late in the game then you got a decision to make. |
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 23, 2010 10:47:05 GMT -5
<-- searching for a good blower
I think it depends on how much knowledge they ( Whistleblower) have, if it's early in the process don't kut no deals. If it's late in the game then you got a decision to make. And to save their skin...they will take you in..,  |
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