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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 28, 2008 17:18:18 GMT -5
LOL - pick a horse and stick with it. You said you don't parle' with white folks outside of work - but later you assert that you talk with them at work. Question: is the political stance they make at work supposed to change once they leave work? LOL. That's the only way what you are saying (in your recovery attempt) makes any sense.
You do not know one white person at work that supports Obama. You know this because you talked to them. And so we added the bit about not talking to them after work because? LOL. Did you talk with the blacks DURING work and AFTER work too just to make sure their answer didn't change? LOL. Maybe I should ask you this question again while you're at work... apparently there's more than one answer.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 28, 2008 17:24:19 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea WHAT you are talking about. LOL My point was I general talk to any white folks outside of work. I was letting you know right off the bulk of the people I talk about politics with are black.
I was showing that I only really talk to them at work: meaning the white folks I talk to are coworkers. So if you are gathering that I am talking to both black coworkers and black family members and friends outside of work that's a larger pool than only speaking to white coworkers and no white friends or associated outside of work.
If that does not make since it shouldn't, because it's besides the point.
The point is I have my eye on Hillary and you are currently digging too deep into my "speaking demographics". LOL
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 28, 2008 18:13:40 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea WHAT you are talking about. LOL My point was I general talk to any white folks outside of work. I was letting you know right off the bulk of the people I talk about politics with are black. I was showing that I only really talk to them at work: meaning the white folks I talk to are coworkers. So if you are gathering that I am talking to both black coworkers and black family members and friends outside of work that's a larger pool than only speaking to white coworkers and no white friends or associated outside of work. If that does not make since it shouldn't, because it's besides the point. The point is I have my eye on Hillary and you are currently digging too deep into my "speaking demographics". LOL |
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Post by msurbana on Jan 28, 2008 18:19:17 GMT -5
Okay. If that was the case you could have just asked me. LMAO!. I would have said YES...I haven't talked to a full range of people. Yet it bothers me that the ones I have talked to can't tell me anything. But then there is you DAMIE.... Do I really need any of them to give me a concrete reason at this point? You've said it all for them.  As long as you know why Obama is a good candidate we are safe. Everyone else can just vote. ;D |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 28, 2008 21:46:59 GMT -5
Okay. If that was the case you could have just asked me. LMAO!.
LOL... I did Outtie, but I tip my hat to you. Quibbling a minor detail is good way to avoid losing a more substanative argument. I didn't teach you that but you have used it well. You would have said yes because you didn't have a choice. Now since we've been doing this for awhile (debating in general not debating about Hillary and Obama) you know what I would ordinarily do next is to ask - how many people in the Clinton's corner have you found are able to say why? Of course I'd be setting a trap, and you'd be waiting for it. LOL. You are almost dangerous in a debate now Outtie.And even a good use of sarcasm. I believe I have seen others give decent reasons why they're leaning toward Obama. But to each his own. Obama hasn't said anything impressive and Hillary has caught your eye. Those are compelling too. I'm going out to switch my campaign buttons right now.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 29, 2008 12:11:32 GMT -5
LOL! I did not lose the argument. I said that no one I know has been able to articulate why they are voting for Obama. You are the only one who attempted and still I am not convinced. There was no argument. It is what it is. I was just thinking yesterday that we have been debating for a long time now. I've always been a great debater(sorry that you were in denial), but I must admit you have helped me to become better. Thanks. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 29, 2008 12:53:57 GMT -5
You have talked to a limited number of his supporters, and I have gone into more detail about why one should support him than ANYONE has given regarding why one should support Hillary on this site. So if we're not convinced by your argument you understand why.
What you were before (IMO) was a passionate debater. Now you are passionate AND strategic - and every once in a while you are also effective...
...every now and then.LOL! I did not lose the argument. I said that no one I know has been able to articulate why they are voting for Obama. You are the only one who attempted and still I am not convinced. There was no argument. It is what it is. I was just thinking yesterday that we have been debating for a long time now. I've always been a great debater(sorry that you were in denial), but I must admit you have helped me to become better. Thanks.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 29, 2008 13:29:52 GMT -5
LOL. I also realized that if I didnt have at least a smidgeon of self esteem I would believe half the things you say about my debating skils. LOL
But since I do , thank God (folds hands together in prayer style and looks towards the heavens) I know what I do well. I was a good debater. I also stood room for improvement. Thanks for your continued help.
VIVA LA HILLARY! LOLOLOL
Hey Billy boy came to South Jersey to speak for Hillary today. heheheheheheehheheh
Very strategic woman indeed!!!!
VIVA LA HILLARY!!!!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 29, 2008 13:46:53 GMT -5
Billy Boy has been HURTING her campaign. Maybe her strategy needs to be to reel him in. He is shooting off at the mouth and NOT helping her at all. She needs to put herself front and center again. The campaign is about her - she shouldn't allow Bill to hurt her chances in his efforts to help.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 29, 2008 13:48:27 GMT -5
Well his new jersey visit was successful. She can't be two places at once. She's doing well.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 29, 2008 14:32:19 GMT -5
I can honestly say that I don't think Michelle Obama is hurting Barack. Maybe Bill should take a page out of her book.
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Post by Robelite on Jan 29, 2008 16:28:28 GMT -5
Michelle is just the OPPOSITE to Barack's campaign that Bill is to Hilary's.
In Michelle, you have an attractive, intelligent, articulate Black woman who is campaining by emphasizing her husband's strengths and his convictions. She has stayed away from the "personal" remarks regarding Hilary or Edwards. Obviously, the comparison to the two of them to John and Jacqueline Kennedy holds merit....even in the eyes of the daughter of the late president and first lady.
The dissappointment with Bill Clinton is that I don't think anyone expected him to make the mistakes he's made while stomping for his wife. I'm suprised...and dissappointed myself.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 29, 2008 16:57:02 GMT -5
I honestly thought he was just going to be "Bill" and not some attack proxy. Not only has he hurt his wife's campaign, I think he's taken some shine off of his stature. His flippant comment dismissing Barack's win in S.C. comparing it to Jesse Jackson was tactless...
...I think he realized it in the middle of saying it because he tried to clean it up by saying that Jesse ran a good campaign but the damage was already done.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 29, 2008 16:59:30 GMT -5
LOL. Of course you wouldn't. I can honestly say that I don't think Michelle Obama is hurting Barack. Maybe Bill should take a page out of her book. |
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Post by msurbana on Jan 29, 2008 17:03:52 GMT -5
I don't think HE really wants Hillary to be president. However, I think he's indepted to her. Michelle is just the OPPOSITE to Barack's campaign that Bill is to Hilary's. In Michelle, you have an attractive, intelligent, articulate Black woman who is campaining by emphasizing her husband's strengths and his convictions. She has stayed away from the "personal" remarks regarding Hilary or Edwards. Obviously, the comparison to the two of them to John and Jacqueline Kennedy holds merit....even in the eyes of the daughter of the late president and first lady. The dissappointment with Bill Clinton is that I don't think anyone expected him to make the mistakes he's made while stomping for his wife. I'm suprised...and dissappointed myself. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 29, 2008 17:34:52 GMT -5
Yeah I have this thing about subscribing to reality so I wouldn't. ;D
<---= goes to talk bad about Outtie in the Men's ThreadLOL. Of course you wouldn't. I can honestly say that I don't think Michelle Obama is hurting Barack. Maybe Bill should take a page out of her book.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 29, 2008 17:37:08 GMT -5
Really? You think Bill doesn't want her to win? You think he wouldn't enjoy another stint in the WH? You think his ego will allow him to be hand's off during her administration if she wins? I think he misses being President and this is the next best thing for him.I don't think HE really wants Hillary to be president. However, I think he's indepted to her. Michelle is just the OPPOSITE to Barack's campaign that Bill is to Hilary's. In Michelle, you have an attractive, intelligent, articulate Black woman who is campaining by emphasizing her husband's strengths and his convictions. She has stayed away from the "personal" remarks regarding Hilary or Edwards. Obviously, the comparison to the two of them to John and Jacqueline Kennedy holds merit....even in the eyes of the daughter of the late president and first lady. The dissappointment with Bill Clinton is that I don't think anyone expected him to make the mistakes he's made while stomping for his wife. I'm suprised...and dissappointed myself.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 30, 2008 10:27:05 GMT -5
Okay this is where I definately become lost. Is a President's spouse required to stay in the white house with them? Hillary and Bill do not currently live together, the last I checked. They are basically married on paper. And where the heck is Chelsea? I wonder what she is doing these days.
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Post by msurbana on Jan 30, 2008 10:28:53 GMT -5
I forgot I saw her campaigning with her mother once. But I need to get an update on her.
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Post by Robelite on Jan 30, 2008 10:31:43 GMT -5
Hillary and Bill are not under the same roof? How does one find out these things?
Chelsea was campaigning for Hillary just last week...saw here on CNN. I'm happy she stayed out of the scandal pages, and did her thing...unlike the Bush gals...Jenna and Tonic!
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 30, 2008 10:48:48 GMT -5
www.hillaryclinton.com/blog/view/?id=31127
If you hadn't already add Maxine Waters to the list.
Man how irrelevant will these "leaders" become if Obama wins, with large percentages of the black vote, and without these Congressional leaders. If he manages somehow to do it, it will show that those black congressional leaders have NO clout in the black community whatsoever.
Then the next question will be, why keep them around?
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Post by msurbana on Jan 30, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5
LOL. CNN. New York Times. Local Buzz. I know were listed under two different addresses. I do not think they've lived together since the White House. I need to get more info on Chelsea and to see if the Clintons have reunined under one roof. Hillary and Bill are not under the same roof? How does one find out these things? Chelsea was campaigning for Hillary just last week...saw here on CNN. I'm happy she stayed out of the scandal pages, and did her thing...unlike the Bush gals...Jenna and Tonic! |
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Post by Fraternal Design on Jan 30, 2008 10:54:28 GMT -5
I forgot I saw her campaigning with her mother once. But I need to get an update on her. From: www.hillary-rodham-clinton.org/chelsea_clinton.htmlChelsea went to work at McKinsey & Company in New York City in 2003. She was the youngest person hired in her class and was earning a low six figure salary. In 2006, she went to work of Avenue Capital, which is a hedge fund, ran by Marc Lasry. At this time, she is still working at Avenue Capital. Avenue Capital employees have contributed over $30,000 to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. |
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Post by msurbana on Jan 30, 2008 10:57:05 GMT -5
LOL I was just looking that up. Is she dating? Is she mating? Is she using drugs yet. These are the questions. LOL Wow with the contributions. Go figure. Thanks! I forgot I saw her campaigning with her mother once. But I need to get an update on her. From: www.hillary-rodham-clinton.org/chelsea_clinton.htmlChelsea went to work at McKinsey & Company in New York City in 2003. She was the youngest person hired in her class and was earning a low six figure salary. In 2006, she went to work of Avenue Capital, which is a hedge fund, ran by Marc Lasry. At this time, she is still working at Avenue Capital. Avenue Capital employees have contributed over $30,000 to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 15, 2008 13:43:57 GMT -5
Supposedly John Lewis and other black leaders might be wavering in their support of Clinton... dun dun dunnnn..... ARTICLE HEREI mean really...how dumb do they look now if they start switching sides? IS this all so they can claim that THEY were responsible if he wins and are therefore OWED something? SMH |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 15, 2008 13:48:31 GMT -5
LOL - well now isn't that something
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 15, 2008 13:51:19 GMT -5
After reading, I see that some are recognizing that their constituents - black people - overwhelmingly voted for Barack, so it's basically political suicide if they do anything different.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 15, 2008 14:09:38 GMT -5
Yeah - it's not like they delivered those constituents for Obama... they just recognize the writing on the wall and Jesse Jackson Jr has a point...
...do you really wanna go down in history as the black person that stopped another black person with a real shot of winning from getting the chance...
...no you don't.
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Post by Nupey on Feb 15, 2008 14:10:25 GMT -5
Damie, your a sugar loaf.
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Post by Versatile on Feb 15, 2008 14:19:38 GMT -5
Damie, you're a sugar loaf. Fixed. |
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As long as you know why Obama is a good candidate we are safe. Everyone else can just vote. ;D
