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Post by Gee-Are on Dec 18, 2009 9:05:26 GMT -5
I believe I have experienced similar occurrences of the "flood" of info you mentioned. For me, almost too much information, that I only retained a portion of what I saw/heard/experienced. However, as I recall each of those "revelations" happened during or after reading/meditating on a certain text or after hearing someone speak. I guess I wondered if anyone had that experience separate from that. At this point my motivation for this discussion is only for selfish reasons, but if someone benefits from the exploration, I'm glad to have helped. I do believe the pursuit is triggered by an external influence. I'm not ready to say a "Higher" power yet or not.
I know what your motivation was (you mentioned it in your first post) but what is your hope? What is your goal? These are just questions of curiosity - not questions intended to point out some flaw in your motivation or hope.
Also... what does it say to you, that you were not the only person to have experience "the flood"? Is it worth noting that a fairly atypical experience was nonetheless encountered by two independent parties, with the same end state in both instances? Are you willing to attribute this to simple coincidence? Again - just honest questions. I guess my HOPE was to find that my occurrences of "revelation" were not isolated, in other words that someone else had a similar experience. I also hoped that anyone else who might have different viewpoints could share their revelation experience, which is the reason I have not spelled out explicitly what my viewpoint is. I could not necessarily say that it was coincidence, but I could say that it was nature. This stream of info was like an antenna and focused all of my "learned" knowledge into one place where that one idea or ideal became crystal clear. Could that just be the way our minds work, that we build upon our database of knowledge so much until we make that one connection to tie it all together? It was abnormal to have thoughts come at me in this way, but I can't say that the final "revelation" was not the keystone to a library of "learned" knowledge from life experience and study. While I may have heard someone else speak of this, it just in a sense became "REAL" to ME, get it? Which brings us back to this topic, while it seemed to be relative truth to me, that doesn't mean it is part of an Absolute Truth, and this may be where I get caught in the infinite loop of man's reasonings. Again, to answer your question regarding the source of the "flood" I believe it could be an internal source if that is the way our natural mind works. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 18, 2009 10:51:17 GMT -5
LOL - I was actually intending to ask what YOU hoped to gain out of all this. In my experience we ask questions for 2 reasons, to teach or to learn (rhetorical and interrogative lines of questions respectively).
I know what your motivation was (you mentioned it in your first post) but what is your hope? What is your goal? These are just questions of curiosity - not questions intended to point out some flaw in your motivation or hope.
Also... what does it say to you, that you were not the only person to have experience "the flood"? Is it worth noting that a fairly atypical experience was nonetheless encountered by two independent parties, with the same end state in both instances? Are you willing to attribute this to simple coincidence? Again - just honest questions. I guess my HOPE was to find that my occurrences of "revelation" were not isolated, in other words that someone else had a similar experience. I also hoped that anyone else who might have different viewpoints could share their revelation experience, which is the reason I have not spelled out explicitly what my viewpoint is. I could not necessarily say that it was coincidence, but I could say that it was nature. This stream of info was like an antenna and focused all of my "learned" knowledge into one place where that one idea or ideal became crystal clear. Could that just be the way our minds work, that we build upon our database of knowledge so much until we make that one connection to tie it all together? It was abnormal to have thoughts come at me in this way, but I can't say that the final "revelation" was not the keystone to a library of "learned" knowledge from life experience and study. While I may have heard someone else speak of this, it just in a sense became "REAL" to ME, get it? Which brings us back to this topic, while it seemed to be relative truth to me, that doesn't mean it is part of an Absolute Truth, and this may be where I get caught in the infinite loop of man's reasonings. Again, to answer your question regarding the source of the "flood" I believe it could be an internal source if that is the way our natural mind works.
*Light bulb goes off* Ok gotcha on the cryptic nature of the questions - you're trying not to contaminate/influence your answer pool. I got you. Kudos for trying to be objective as possible.
For the record I see "The Flood" as an atypical experience, and to some degree a gift, not unlike, a piano or cello virtuoso's ability to play, or an some other type of artist. Whereas an artist sees what others have not seen, and a musician hears what others have not heard, the philosopher understands what others have not understood... and in my opinion they are able to do so without necessarily having life experience to prompt or dictate that work. Just my opinion of course |
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Post by Gee-Are on Dec 18, 2009 12:03:57 GMT -5
Hmmm...So you don't have the belief that everyone has the same measure or capability to receive truth or crystallize their knowledge base?
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Dec 18, 2009 16:50:29 GMT -5
Great convo guys.. I find its nearly impossible to find absolute truth so instead I seek to uncover falsehood. If you can tear down the falsehood then it brings you closer to the truth in my estimation.
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Post by Gee-Are on Dec 19, 2009 15:38:48 GMT -5
Great convo guys.. I find its nearly impossible to find absolute truth so instead I seek to uncover falsehood. If you can tear down the falsehood then it brings you closer to the truth in my estimation. Ok, but at what point can you determine something false? Isn't that somewhat the same process as determining "truth?" The "truths" that you know. How did you come to "know" them? Do you feel it was revealed? or a methodical system of study? |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Dec 20, 2009 0:20:05 GMT -5
Great convo guys.. I find its nearly impossible to find absolute truth so instead I seek to uncover falsehood. If you can tear down the falsehood then it brings you closer to the truth in my estimation. Ok, but at what point can you determine something false? Isn't that somewhat the same process as determining "truth?" The "truths" that you know. How did you come to "know" them? Do you feel it was revealed? or a methodical system of study? Not necessarily if something is held as truth and uses Absolute terms for a specific time frame. If you find something that existed earlier and have evidence that it was used as a source then you can say the later entity is false. |
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Post by denounced on Dec 22, 2009 15:30:35 GMT -5
No such thing as Self-Revelation on a human scale. If you think you have come up with something no one ever thought of, let me ask you, where did your brain come from?
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 27, 2009 13:04:36 GMT -5
No such thing as Self-Revelation on a human scale. If you think you have come up with something no one ever thought of, let me ask you, where did your brain come from? |
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Post by denounced on Dec 30, 2009 10:23:33 GMT -5
It's not a matter of argument, but a matter of its assumption. I found it to be fairly obvious. Define what you believe to be self-revelation may help me understand what you are looking for. Thanks!
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