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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 3, 2009 13:52:59 GMT -5
When it comes time to dole out scholarship money, our committee always seems to have this sidebar debate. Should we be giving money to the needy or the deserving?
Do we give the scholarship money to the A+ student who has worked hard to put himself in position to win many scholarships some of which he may not actually need
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Do we give the scholarship money to the struggling C student who may by a combination of lack of work ethic, support, resources, not put himself in position to win any scholarships which he will desperately need
Which one do you reward? (I have my thoughts on this as I have thought about it for a few years but I want to see what you all think)
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Post by Bathroom Model on Nov 3, 2009 13:54:59 GMT -5
When it comes time to dole out scholarship money, our committee always seems to have this sidebar debate. Should we be giving money to the needy or the deserving?
Do we give the scholarship money to the A+ student who has worked hard to put himself in position to win many scholarships some of which he may not actually need
or
Do we give the scholarship money to the struggling C student who may by a combination of lack of work ethic, support, resources, not put himself in position to win any scholarships which he will desperately need
Which one do you reward? (I have my thoughts on this as I have thought about it for a few years but I want to see what you all think) Going by your examples I choose A. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 3, 2009 13:59:05 GMT -5
When it comes time to dole out scholarship money, our committee always seems to have this sidebar debate. Should we be giving money to the needy or the deserving?
Do we give the scholarship money to the A+ student who has worked hard to put himself in position to win many scholarships some of which he may not actually need
or
Do we give the scholarship money to the struggling C student who may by a combination of lack of work ethic, support, resources, not put himself in position to win any scholarships which he will desperately need
Which one do you reward? (I have my thoughts on this as I have thought about it for a few years but I want to see what you all think) Going by your examples I choose A. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Nov 3, 2009 13:59:59 GMT -5
What about the needyAND deserving?
I'm adopted (thank God), but my bio. fam. didn't provide for my ed. before they gave me up, and Mom dukes was basically a Sr. citizen before I was born. I was scholarly & definitely needed the money, too.
If any kids like that applied, give it to them. There a lots of smart kids out there who didn't come from the best background. If they've got a track record, your money won't go to waste.
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Post by peppermint on Nov 3, 2009 14:08:21 GMT -5
I would venture out to the C student. Sometimes the lack of work ethic comes from a preceived lack of support. Whether we agree or not, children tend to focus on what the adults in their lives believe of them. The C student may see the scholarship as someone else investing and begin putting in more effort.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 3, 2009 14:09:17 GMT -5
I think you have to look at it on a case by case basis. Why is it that the C student is a C student? If they've consistently demonstrated laziness and and overall lack of drive or ambition, it seems like a no-brainer to go with the A student...you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. But on the flip side, What if they goofed off early on, but eventually got it together and worked to bring their grades up, and show a true desire to succeed? Or if they had some major life experience that negatively impacted their grades temporarily? I don't see a problem with rewarding them. Everybody won't always be perfect, but they've demonstrated a desire and an ability to move beyond their past mistakes or experiences. When it comes time to dole out scholarship money, our committee always seems to have this sidebar debate. Should we be giving money to the needy or the deserving?
Do we give the scholarship money to the A+ student who has worked hard to put himself in position to win many scholarships some of which he may not actually need
or
Do we give the scholarship money to the struggling C student who may by a combination of lack of work ethic, support, resources, not put himself in position to win any scholarships which he will desperately need
Which one do you reward? (I have my thoughts on this as I have thought about it for a few years but I want to see what you all think) |
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Post by adisa on Nov 3, 2009 14:11:57 GMT -5
First, you can't judge necessarilty judge a student's work ethic purely on their grades. The A+ student may be a brainiac and/ or unchallenged by the curriculum, or that student may even have cheated to earn all those A's. The C+ student may have been busy with extracurriculum obligations that took time away from studying...like a job, maybe? Sometimes you have to look at the big picture instead of just the money. Which student needs a stronger support system, which student needs to know that there is somebody that believes in him/ her and is willing to invest? What would Marva Collins do?
*ends rant*
*gets off the soap box*
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Post by ReignMan19 on Nov 3, 2009 15:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 15:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by ReignMan19 on Nov 3, 2009 15:40:20 GMT -5
<---- Would like to comment <--------- has to check with Juicy first to get approval Do you Great!! I have sat on two Scholarship Committees with one of them you only needed a 2.0 to apply which lead to the exact same issue. Luckily the scholarship only stated an "up to amount" so we ended up offering two scholarship giving a higher portion to the student who had the higher GPA and the other percentage to the student that was in need. We decided to give more to the "deserving" based on the academic excellence principle of the org. So if you can offer the money to more than one I would say do it. If you can't then I would lean towards the helping the eager, motivated C student ONLY because the deserving A student may have more options for scholarships elsewhere.. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 3, 2009 16:16:06 GMT -5
LOL @ Juicy and Reign.
This wasn't necessarily a BGLO only question (so I guess I probably shouldn't have put it here). Any scholarship committee experience is relevant.
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 16:22:37 GMT -5
LOL @ Juicy and Reign.
This wasn't necessarily a BGLO only question (so I guess I probably shouldn't have put it here). Any scholarship committee experience is relevant. Don't LOL @ me, LOL @ the retarded who thinks he is hilarious but is not. |
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 16:24:20 GMT -5
Do you Great!! I have sat on two Scholarship Committees with one of them you only needed a 2.0 to apply which lead to the exact same issue. Luckily the scholarship only stated an "up to amount" so we ended up offering two scholarship giving a higher portion to the student who had the higher GPA and the other percentage to the student that was in need. We decided to give more to the "deserving" based on the academic excellence principle of the org. So if you can offer the money to more than one I would say do it. If you can't then I would lean towards the helping the eager, motivated C student ONLY because the deserving A student may have more options for scholarships elsewhere.. You are so not funny and this right here speaks volumes about how retarded you are. |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Nov 3, 2009 16:24:23 GMT -5
LOL @ Juicy and Reign.
This wasn't necessarily a BGLO only question (so I guess I probably shouldn't have put it here). Any scholarship committee experience is relevant. Don't LOL @ me, LOL @ the arse wipe. <---- arse wipe takes the LOL and adds a  #notreysongz |
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 16:26:41 GMT -5
Don't LOL @ me, LOL @ the arse wipe. <---- arse wipe takes the LOL and adds a #notreysongz Round of applause for caring Reign, go on about your daily posting and leave me out of it. Our disagreement was like yesterday or day before, so why you holding on to it I don't know, but that says alot about you to do so. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 3, 2009 16:27:05 GMT -5
This one is tough because there are so many opposing principles.
We want to help the deserving.
We want to help the needy.
We recognize that sometimes performance is impacted by things out of the student's hands
We recognize that sometimes a student just doesn't have enough time to turn things around
We recognize that a bad start, doesn't have to mean a bad ending (see Barack Obama's academic career)
We recognize that in giving these students money we're teaching them something about oursevles (i.e. do we reward hard work, do recognize a student is more than their GPA, do we recognize that sometimes the ones that need the most help have the least credentials?)
I'm not saying there's any right or wrong answer - I just know that we give out food baskets every year around Thanksgiving and Christmas, not to ones who work most for them, but for those who NEED them most. Something to think about.
p.s. We ended up giving everybody money just in different amounts. I don't know if that's going to happen this year since our budget is strained.
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Post by ReignMan19 on Nov 3, 2009 16:30:15 GMT -5
<---- arse wipe takes the LOL and adds a #notreysongz Round of applause for caring Reign, go on about your daily posting and leave me out of it. Our disagreement was like yesterday or day before, so why you holding on to it I don't know, but that says alot about you to do so. Juice if you can't see the OBVIOUS joke then you're crazy... No one is holding on to anything... calm down .. laugh... joke... |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Nov 3, 2009 16:33:26 GMT -5
This one is tough because there are so many opposing principles.
We want to help the deserving.
We want to help the needy.
We recognize that sometimes performance is impacted by things out of the student's hands
We recognize that sometimes a student just doesn't have enough time to turn things around
We recognize that a bad start, doesn't have to mean a bad ending (see Barack Obama's academic career)
We recognize that in giving these students money we're teaching them something about oursevles (i.e. do we reward hard work, do recognize a student is more than their GPA, do we recognize that sometimes the ones that need the most help have the least credentials?)
I'm not saying there's any right or wrong answer - I just know that we give out food baskets every year around Thanksgiving and Christmas, not to ones who work most for them, but for those who NEED them most. Something to think about.
p.s. We ended up giving everybody money just in different amounts. I don't know if that's going to happen this year since our budget is strained. Another thing to look at is their collegiate goals... If C student is also undecided then you might want to go with the honor student. If both are neck and neck again.. who may have options for other money... |
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 16:33:32 GMT -5
Back to the topic at hand: This one is tough because there are so many opposing principles.
We want to help the deserving.
We want to help the needy.
We recognize that sometimes performance is impacted by things out of the student's hands
We recognize that sometimes a student just doesn't have enough time to turn things around
We recognize that a bad start, doesn't have to mean a bad ending (see Barack Obama's academic career)
We recognize that in giving these students money we're teaching them something about oursevles (i.e. do we reward hard work, do recognize a student is more than their GPA, do we recognize that sometimes the ones that need the most help have the least credentials?)
I'm not saying there's any right or wrong answer - I just know that we give out food baskets every year around Thanksgiving and Christmas, not to ones who work most for them, but for those who NEED them most. Something to think about.
p.s. We ended up giving everybody money just in different amounts. I don't know if that's going to happen this year since our budget is strained. |
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Post by FatalDST on Nov 3, 2009 16:44:39 GMT -5
Definitely case by case... do you know if the A+ student s has any other scholarships, and if so, how much or should that even be applicable? Do we know if lack of funds or lack of discipline is the real reason behind the C student not excelling to his/her potential. It could be problems at home, environment has alot to do with how some kids work and learn. You just never know...
how about you find the broke and willing B student and give it to them!
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Post by LejaOMG on Nov 3, 2009 16:51:06 GMT -5
Great!! I have sat on two Scholarship Committees with one of them you only needed a 2.0 to apply which lead to the exact same issue. Luckily the scholarship only stated an "up to amount" so we ended up offering two scholarship giving a higher portion to the student who had the higher GPA and the other percentage to the student that was in need. We decided to give more to the "deserving" based on the academic excellence principle of the org. So if you can offer the money to more than one I would say do it. If you can't then I would lean towards the helping the eager, motivated C student ONLY because the deserving A student may have more options for scholarships elsewhere.. ... this right here speaks volumes about how retarded you are. how so? |
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Post by ReignMan19 on Nov 3, 2009 16:52:09 GMT -5
^whoa .. didn't even see that..... damn.. its like that Juice...
#catchfeelingsmuch...
I think so..
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 16:54:58 GMT -5
When it comes time to dole out scholarship money, our committee always seems to have this sidebar debate. Should we be giving money to the needy or the deserving?
Do we give the scholarship money to the A+ student who has worked hard to put himself in position to win many scholarships some of which he may not actually need
or
Do we give the scholarship money to the struggling C student who may by a combination of lack of work ethic, support, resources, not put himself in position to win any scholarships which he will desperately need
Which one do you reward? (I have my thoughts on this as I have thought about it for a few years but I want to see what you all think) For me, it would depend on the specific criteria. If it is a scholarship that is based solely on GPA, then the A+ student gets it. If it is based on GPA and how involved a student is in school and the community, then the C student who is very involved would be more likely to get my vote then the A+ student who isn't involved in anything. So for me, critieria would dictate this. |
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 3, 2009 16:55:08 GMT -5
iChuckled <---- Would like to comment <--------- has to check with Juicy first to get approval |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 3, 2009 17:05:23 GMT -5
When it comes time to dole out scholarship money, our committee always seems to have this sidebar debate. Should we be giving money to the needy or the deserving?
Do we give the scholarship money to the A+ student who has worked hard to put himself in position to win many scholarships some of which he may not actually need
or
Do we give the scholarship money to the struggling C student who may by a combination of lack of work ethic, support, resources, not put himself in position to win any scholarships which he will desperately need
Which one do you reward? (I have my thoughts on this as I have thought about it for a few years but I want to see what you all think) For me, it would depend on the specific criteria. If it is a scholarship that is based solely on GPA, then the A+ student gets it. If it is based on GPA and how involved a student is in school and the community, then the C student who is very involved would be more likely to get my vote then the A+ student who isn't involved in anything. So for me, critieria would dictate this. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Nov 3, 2009 17:07:22 GMT -5
can we ask: how much is the scholarship?
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Post by happy1 on Nov 3, 2009 18:29:16 GMT -5
We had 3 $1,000 scholarships to award and 10 candidates. It turned into a huge philosophical debate along those same lines. We had one "B/C" student who was trying to attend NCA&T. Without help from us and others, chances are he may not have gone to any college and stayed in DC. Another candidate "A" student had already been awarded 30K toward NYU. We debated over our mission, what would our founders do, that we were a fraternity and should we lean toward helping black males, that we were formed at an HBCU, and should be look to support the HBCU, etc..... There were no easy answers, and tempers truly flared between brothers who attended PWI's and HBCU's. Luckily one of the Redskins came thru and donated another 3K, so we were able to award 6 1K scholarships. We did not award the NYU student. It was not a simple decision, but it came down to where are money would do the most good. Again, there was no right or wrong decision.  |
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Post by LejaOMG on Nov 3, 2009 18:34:30 GMT -5
We debated over... what would our founders do.... There were no easy answers Why not? Ya'll couldn't just call them an ask? |
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Post by Julie Art on Nov 3, 2009 19:14:34 GMT -5
We debated over... what would our founders do.... There were no easy answers Why not? Ya'll couldn't just call them an ask? I almost choked on my candy! |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Nov 3, 2009 19:49:00 GMT -5
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