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Post by Oren Ishii on Oct 28, 2009 15:39:11 GMT -5
I think we talked about something similar to this on the old OO once, but the convo never got too in-depth.
Anyway, I came across this video after watching the DST Probate for Wilberforce from '04 (great show, BTW). Needless to say, the title threw me for a loop. I was a DelTeen in HS, and I never saw anything like this.
When the video opened, and I saw their hands, well...
Watch the vid, then I have a couple questions.
1. W/O going into detail about your org's business, does your (D9 only please) sorority/fraternity condone this type of thing?
2. Considering we're "non-hazing" organizations at the collegiate level, where are the line names, #s, and the right to probate coming from for high schoolers?
3. How do you feel about such comments as:
'They know they're not Deltas...we are Deltas in the making.'?
4. If they have signs, calls, steps, strolls, and "history" in these orgs, do you feel these young men/women will respect the traditional process of truly becoming Greek? Does it cause a sense of entitlement?
This is NOT a slight to the Deltas or any of their processes. I know there are other youth groups that do similar things; this is just the 1st YA "probate" video I've ever come across.
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Post by Bathroom Model on Oct 28, 2009 15:45:15 GMT -5
We have a youth group. The Rhoer club
They can step if we choose too include them.
They have a similar induction process and considers each other sisters.
They have a hand sign
No calls that i know of.
and we made them some naila.
We kept them from getting out of hand by not having them all at the same school not to have any cliques forming.
yea now that I think about it it is ran like a junior sorority.
But I think the guiding chapter has a lot to do with just how out of hand it can get.
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 28, 2009 15:48:57 GMT -5
Um, I'm all for mentoring young girls and boys, but I think all this right here is just taking it to far and might give some the sense of entitlement. But what these highschool aux don't realize is that they have it harder trying to pursue the specific org. in college simply because they were apart of said aux. org, at least from what I've seen.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Oct 28, 2009 15:53:30 GMT -5
*quotes/paraphrases herself from the Spreading traditions thread*
"D9 members who encourage this ish are committing treason"......I think that's close enough. Once again, get yo own swag!
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Post by LejaOMG on Oct 28, 2009 16:05:50 GMT -5
I can't see the video, but I know I can get quite passionate about this kinda stuff. I really, truly HATE the youth auxiliaries being handled in the fashion described by the comments.
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 28, 2009 16:17:05 GMT -5
I mean, the handsign got me pissed and I'm not even a Delta. That is to entirely too dang gone close for comfort.
And why do aux. groups need "coming out" shows, calls, handsigns, etc?
I thought aux groups for highschool was about making a positive impact i.e. mentoring, tutoring, doing community service togehter, going on college tours, being like a big brother/big sister.
What does all that other stuff got to do with that?
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Post by Oren Ishii on Oct 28, 2009 16:34:38 GMT -5
Asked the same question, JA. I mean, I pretty much always wanted to be a Soror (family ties). Our Grad chapters in the area didn't have auxs, so based on the activities they did, my family encouraged me to participate in DelTeen. We didn't have any of these types of events, nor did we do probates, pledge or any of that. The members of their Alum chpt. made decisions about who could join, not us. Hence the  when I saw this. In another video, the Delta Gems are in a Que stepshow, and it looks like they're throwing UPSIDE DOWN PYRAMIDS during their routine. I felt like you - pissed off & I'm not even a Delta (how disrespectful). Then, I heard some Deltas calling, so I figured some of them must be cool with it. |
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Post by Oren Ishii on Oct 28, 2009 16:47:23 GMT -5
Here is that show: And, of course, there had to be some "Ivy Teens" on YouTube, too  : Sigma Betas, Junior Kappas, the list goes on. Just take a few minutes to search them when you have some time. These kids are out of control...but it came from some of us! |
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 29, 2009 11:58:26 GMT -5
Ummmmm, what is their call? Sounds like a Skee-Wee to me!
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Post by FatalDST on Oct 29, 2009 13:41:14 GMT -5
DeLTeen sounds too much like Dentyne!
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Post by Bathroom Model on Oct 29, 2009 14:00:33 GMT -5
DeLTeen sounds too much like Dentyne! delteen, nuturing crimsion and creme teeth and gums since 1913!!!lol |
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Oct 29, 2009 16:37:22 GMT -5
I have 2 words for this whole concept.... NO BUENO! I think we talked about something similar to this on the old OO once, but the convo never got too in-depth. Anyway, I came across this video after watching the DST Probate for Wilberforce from '04 (great show, BTW). Needless to say, the title threw me for a loop. I was a DelTeen in HS, and I never saw anything like this. When the video opened, and I saw their hands, well... Watch the vid, then I have a couple questions. 1. W/O going into detail about your org's business, does your (D9 only please) sorority/fraternity condone this type of thing? 2. Considering we're "non-hazing" organizations at the collegiate level, where are the line names, #s, and the right to probate coming from for high schoolers? 3. How do you feel about such comments as: 'They know they're not Deltas...we are Deltas in the making.'? 4. If they have signs, calls, steps, strolls, and "history" in these orgs, do you feel these young men/women will respect the traditional process of truly becoming Greek? Does it cause a sense of entitlement? This is NOT a slight to the Deltas or any of their processes. I know there are other youth groups that do similar things; this is just the 1st YA "probate" video I've ever come across. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Oct 29, 2009 17:23:10 GMT -5
Begin Unpopular Opinion: They were good. They are better than some D9 sorority performances I have seen. Their precision was good (which means they had to practice an awful lot and had extensive guidance), and I have to believe that they're self-esteem just had to be off the richter after finishing that show (to Coleman in general.... um SASE y'all? Aren't we in this business?)
Did you see how the other kids in the crowd were filming it and watching intently? You think that they won't want to be in a show like that someday after seeing that? You think there was nothing good for a group of young ladies on stage, dressed like "LADIES", carrying themselves lady like, being admired as ladies, and praised as ladies?
Continue Rant: obvioulsy the chapter that helped them do this was alright with it, they were doing the stroll along with them at the end. Besides everyone is stepping now anyway - honor societies, collegiate auxillaries, high school teams, why not let these auxs do it? Especially if it can be used for a vehicle of good? The only problem that I really have is what some of the music choice selections.
Lastly we're ok with the Sprite Sell Out Step Off that benefits mostly Sprite - but we're not ok with it for the youth?
*Climbs down off soapbox*
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 30, 2009 13:30:12 GMT -5
You are ok with some aux throwing up hand signs that are close to your frats Damie, that can be EASILY seen as one if not looked at closely? You ok with these highschool kids pledging each other to be in something that doesn't last a lifetime? You don't think this doesn't give them a sense of entitlement for when they do go to college?
There is much more to say but I'll stop there. I don't believe what these youth aux are doing now is in alignment with the orginal intent of starting these aux orgs in the first place.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Oct 30, 2009 14:40:36 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, I am o.k. with the aux groups throwing up hand signs. It's not my preference but it is a small matter in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they are doing so with permission of the presiding chapter. Honor societies are pledging themselves, high school step teams are pledging themselves, collegiate aux are pledging themselves, hell football teams, track teams, basketball teams, and fake orgs (MIAKAs) are pledging themselves - we have NO control or influence over them, at least we can influence our acknowledged auxs operations. And given that there are so many ways for kids to gain a sense of entitlement I hardly see this as the lynch pin to the floodgates of inward thinking of youth.
To me this is the least issue of a bag of undesirable issues. We have far more serious thing to worry about than aux being aligned to their original intent (like for example the actual ORGS being aligned to their original intent).
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Post by T-Rex91 on Oct 30, 2009 15:45:45 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, I am o.k. with the aux groups throwing up hand signs. It's not my preference but it is a small matter in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they are doing so with permission of the presiding chapter. Honor societies are pledging themselves, high school step teams are pledging themselves, collegiate aux are pledging themselves, hell football teams, track teams, basketball teams, and fake orgs (MIAKAs) are pledging themselves - we have NO control or influence over them, at least we can influence our acknowledged auxs operations. And given that there are so many ways for kids to gain a sense of entitlement I hardly see this as the lynch pin to the floodgates of inward thinking of youth.
To me this is the least issue of a bag of undesirable issues. We have far more serious thing to worry about than aux being aligned to their original intent (like for example the actual ORGS being aligned to their original intent). ^^^^Is only OK because no auxillary or pseudo-frat in their right mind would do anything that REMOTELY resembled a Que sign, color palette, or call. ^^^^Is unffected but this debauchery because folks are SCURRED |
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Post by Julie Art on Oct 30, 2009 16:22:07 GMT -5
Lol! Excatly '91!
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Post by Coldfront06 on Oct 30, 2009 19:09:26 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, I am o.k. with the aux groups throwing up hand signs. It's not my preference but it is a small matter in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they are doing so with permission of the presiding chapter. Honor societies are pledging themselves, high school step teams are pledging themselves, collegiate aux are pledging themselves, hell football teams, track teams, basketball teams, and fake orgs (MIAKAs) are pledging themselves - we have NO control or influence over them, at least we can influence our acknowledged auxs operations. And given that there are so many ways for kids to gain a sense of entitlement I hardly see this as the lynch pin to the floodgates of inward thinking of youth.
To me this is the least issue of a bag of undesirable issues. We have far more serious thing to worry about than aux being aligned to their original intent (like for example the actual ORGS being aligned to their original intent). ^^^^Is only OK because no auxillary or pseudo-frat in their right mind would do anything that REMOTELY resembled a Que sign, color palette, or call. ^^^^Is unffected but this debauchery because folks are SCURRED I was at a step show last year at University of Alabama-Birmingham and I saw a group of about 8-10 boys with "Future Que" shirts on, with some Omegas. Not sure if it was a Youth Auxillary or what. They couldn't have been older than 12 or 13. |
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Post by Oldskool on Oct 31, 2009 0:02:40 GMT -5
Well, Cold, did you like them or not?
OS opinion: I don't mind high school groups however I don't think they should have BGLO flavor. They need to stick to neutral ground. There is already too much peer pressure in high school ,,,and then to add some college entity into the mix....further separation,. I don't like it.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Nov 3, 2009 8:21:28 GMT -5
^^^^Is only OK because no auxillary or pseudo-frat in their right mind would do anything that REMOTELY resembled a Que sign, color palette, or call. ^^^^Is unffected but this debauchery because folks are SCURRED I was at a step show last year at University of Alabama-Birmingham and I saw a group of about 8-10 boys with "Future Que" shirts on, with some Omegas. Not sure if it was a Youth Auxillary or what. They couldn't have been older than 12 or 13. *Stares at screen in utter disbelief* |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Nov 3, 2009 10:49:56 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, I am o.k. with the aux groups throwing up hand signs. It's not my preference but it is a small matter in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they are doing so with permission of the presiding chapter. Honor societies are pledging themselves, high school step teams are pledging themselves, collegiate aux are pledging themselves, hell football teams, track teams, basketball teams, and fake orgs (MIAKAs) are pledging themselves - we have NO control or influence over them, at least we can influence our acknowledged auxs operations. And given that there are so many ways for kids to gain a sense of entitlement I hardly see this as the lynch pin to the floodgates of inward thinking of youth.
To me this is the least issue of a bag of undesirable issues. We have far more serious thing to worry about than aux being aligned to their original intent (like for example the actual ORGS being aligned to their original intent). ^^^^Is only OK because no auxillary or pseudo-frat in their right mind would do anything that REMOTELY resembled a Que sign, color palette, or call. |
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Post by Cambist on Nov 3, 2009 11:15:47 GMT -5
While i'm not a huge fan of the youth auxiliaries having calls and signs, i'll have to side with Damie on this one.
Among the staggering list of concerns our organization must address....as long as it's kept in check....i'm not willing to waste any time worrying about some kids wanting to be like us.
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Post by Bathroom Model on Nov 3, 2009 16:48:04 GMT -5
While i'm not a huge fan of the youth auxiliaries having calls and signs, i'll have to side with Damie on this one. Among the staggering list of concerns our organization must address....as long as it's kept in check....i'm not willing to waste any time worrying about some kids wanting to be like us. I mean really. There are worst things than can be/ are looking up too. |
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Post by FatalDST on Nov 3, 2009 17:16:11 GMT -5
As a matter of fact, I am o.k. with the aux groups throwing up hand signs. It's not my preference but it is a small matter in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they are doing so with permission of the presiding chapter. Honor societies are pledging themselves, high school step teams are pledging themselves, collegiate aux are pledging themselves, hell football teams, track teams, basketball teams, and fake orgs (MIAKAs) are pledging themselves - we have NO control or influence over them, at least we can influence our acknowledged auxs operations. And given that there are so many ways for kids to gain a sense of entitlement I hardly see this as the lynch pin to the floodgates of inward thinking of youth.
To me this is the least issue of a bag of undesirable issues. We have far more serious thing to worry about than aux being aligned to their original intent (like for example the actual ORGS being aligned to their original intent).
^^^^Is only OK because no auxillary or pseudo-frat in their right mind would do anything that REMOTELY resembled a Que sign, color palette, or call. ^^^^Is unffected but this debauchery because folks are SCURRED are we still talking about the youth groups here, because there is one for sure of that I know that throws up hooks... of course, the sponsor or advisor, whatever you want to call it, is da bruhz. these babies here throw up hooks with YO's ... LOL |
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Post by Kryptik on Nov 11, 2009 16:37:17 GMT -5
<---Found this very interesting
<--- Headed off to encourage some young men (Kappa Leaguers) to emulate the Men of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. by improving their self-image and cultivating their leadership skills, thereby raising their aspirational levels...
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Post by Blu on Nov 12, 2009 9:00:43 GMT -5
I never had a problem with our Youth Aux(Sigma Beta Club) until they started developing more of our characteristics.. Now they have their own hand sign and call which is a bit much... It was designed to be a club and nothing more.. I don't approve of them being a "junior frat"..
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Post by Cambist on Nov 30, 2009 10:47:04 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Nov 30, 2009 10:50:37 GMT -5
Posted for Cam:  |
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Post by Cambist on Nov 30, 2009 11:02:43 GMT -5
My question when I saw this...."How old is too old?" Honestly, the Warden brought this young man to my attention. He was a nice young man, very mannerable and seemed to be about 14-16 years old.
Had that shirt been worn by a 5 year old....maybe. My son has a "My Daddy is an Alpha" shirt but he looks young. The Warden's logic is that if you can't tell how old the person is and they could POSSIBLY be in college....they shouldn't wear the shirt. LOL!!
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Post by T-Rex91 on Nov 30, 2009 11:15:59 GMT -5
Those shirts should definitely not be worn by anyone past 5th grade.
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