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Post by Cambist on Sept 21, 2009 12:09:22 GMT -5
Ok fam...Cam slipped away for a minute and followed the quasi-liberal crowd towards a "public option" instead of Universal Healthcare but now i'm back.
After doing some research this weekend I realized that Universal Healthcare is not impossible in the US. If places like the U.K. can pull of NHS and Canada can have a gov. run system....why shouldn't we study their systems and come up with one that works for us?
Single payer is not an evil term. As a matter of fact, it's about the most sane term in this entire debate.
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Post by No Screen Name on Sept 21, 2009 12:38:03 GMT -5
Well--we're NOT getting that. YES, it's doable, and YES, I think we could come up with a good system, but it would NOT fly here in the US, especially with the sentiment of the ignorant masses here in this country.
Maybe a few decades down the road *IF* and *AFTER* we get folks used to the idea of the Public Option (which MAY not even happen), we can ease 'em in to Single Payer. But now? No. I figured I needed to be realistic about what we're ACTUALLY going to get, that's why I support the Public Option.
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Post by Cambist on Sept 21, 2009 13:25:34 GMT -5
Ive wrestled with this in my head for the past few weeks and have come to the conclusion that Single Payer is the only method that make sense.
To continue to use health insurance companies makes absolutely no sense! Health Insurance companies don't make anything. They are middle men. Opening up states to more competition will only serve to make the paperwork on the healthcare provider more tedious and eventually cause higher costs. Insurance companies are a ripoff and I believe this function can be more efficiently managed by the government (by removing the profit motive)
Example: Take a health insurance company XYZ. XYZ charges my company $1,000 per month for my family premiums. I pay $250.00 and my company pays $750.00....The health insurance company takes 30 percent off the top for it's business.
That's a 30% overhead OFF THE TOP!
Then the have the task of managing how much they pay out on the behalf of policy holders. Because they are in the business of making money, they have to loyalty to the health of the client....the profit motive dictates that PROFIT (efficiency) trump PUBLIC GOOD (Effectiveness) and therefore they deny claims, drop clients, limit care, etc...
Now...why these idiots are out protesting this system as "Socialist" or "Communist" is beyond me. They claim that they want to be "Free" so they want to keep their health insurance coverage. Are you fucking serious? You CAN'T be THAT dumb!!
Health insurance companies DO ration care. Health Insurance companies DO stand between you and your doctor! Just ask him/her!!
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Post by Noble Work on Sept 21, 2009 15:01:00 GMT -5
Absolutely Cam.
These protesters see what they want to see and here what they want to here. They understand this shyt....they choose NOT to go along with it because the idea was spoken from the lips of a black man. This is pure logic. We claim to be the riches nation and all but the UK (England) is not far behind (IF you choose to believe that) and it's working for them.
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Post by Cambist on Sept 30, 2009 9:23:38 GMT -5
What the Democratic party has lost is it’s gonads!
This battle in Washington can be explained in terms of nature. Washington is one big dog pack with two sides. When the Republicans were the alpha male, they ran the pack with an iron fist. They crushed opposition. They stifled dissent. They lived by the rule: The Big Dog eats first….all others pick up scraps (if there are any left)
But power eventually shifts….
Now that the Democrats are in power they want to govern differently. They want everyone to have a seat at the table…”everyone should eat” is what they say. While this is a noble idea, it comes with one problem: In the animal kingdom, kindness is often perceived as weakness. The Republicans, who rule with the iron fist and absolute authority, see the Democrats efforts to allow them to eat as a weakness. So while on their way to the food bowl that’s been so generously shared by the Dems, the Repubs hike their legs and piss on them….and then laugh.
In politics, especially in this current political climate, bi-partisanship is overrated. You can’t negotiate with an adversary that doesn’t respect you. You have to put him in his place….exert your dominance. You offered the olive branch and the Repubs basically stripped the leaves, made a switch and beat you with it. So now is the time for you to crush the opposition. They are irrelevant.
Grow a pair.
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Post by No Screen Name on Sept 30, 2009 11:03:11 GMT -5
I agree TOTALLY, Cam. This is my FB status update right now. I am TOTALLY disappointed in the Dems. Ralph Nader was DEAD WRONG to call President Obama a "House Negro" or whatever he referred to him as (and I wish he hadn't said it, because now nobody wants to hear anything he has to say), but other than that, all his points were SPOT ON. WTF is going on here?  I am SOOOOOO pissed at the entire party. You mean to tell me we have the motherfvcking WHITE HOUSE, the HOUSE and the SENATE, and we can't get anything accomplished? Stop trying to run behind the GOP like a pathetic lapdog and get a BACKBONE!  |
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Post by Cambist on Sept 30, 2009 11:11:28 GMT -5
I'm glad you told me that it was your Facebook. Especially since I cannot see it for myself.....**hint--hint**
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Post by DamieQue™ on Sept 30, 2009 11:27:02 GMT -5
What we all have to come to terms with is that there were several Democrats who are Democrats in name only - Ben Nelson might as well be a Republican. The massive Democratic majority is one that exists on paper only - in reality we only have 2 or 3 more Senators than the Republican. The Senators who oppose it are either in very conservative areas and headed into an election cycle (Blanche Lincoln for example) or are really only Democrats in name - not in philosophy or vote.
There is going to be a public option based on what I've been reading because the Senate Finance Committee bill isn't the only bill... every other bill out of every other committee has a public option within it, and most people expected the Senate Finance's version to be the most conservative. It's going to get passed in the final bill (I hope), and even then alot of Democrats aren't going to vote for it (for political purposes) but we'll still get it. Hopefully it won't be watered down too much.
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Post by Cambist on Sept 30, 2009 14:36:34 GMT -5
I'm sending Blanche Lincoln (my senator) a check and a nasty letter of inquiry concerning her latest vote.
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I am SOOOOOO pissed at the entire party. You mean to tell me we have the motherfvcking WHITE HOUSE, the HOUSE and the SENATE, and we can't get anything accomplished? 
