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Post by Julie Art on Jul 17, 2009 10:19:03 GMT -5
We would address it IF that time comes. Since the time has never been such for 101 years everthing I say would be STRAIGHT hypothetical. And truthfully based on our membership numbers now we could go 10 years without any new members and we would still be supreme in service to all mankind cause we just that thick. C'mon AKAD. Of course it's a hypothetical. I didn't think I needed to preface the question with "hypothetically speaking yadda yadda yadda" but.........hypothetically speaking homie, as a college educated woman, how do you believe your org would respond if the climate changed and the number of aspirants seeking membership noticeably declined ? Ok so I have some questions and I'm NOT tryin' to be an asshole. Rather, I am tryin' to illustrate a point. does AKA have honorary members? If so, did they seek out AKA or was an invitation extended? I submit that if invites were extended, one can make the argument that AKA recruited those honorees, challenging your assertion that AKA does not recruit. Just sayin'.... Underlined part, I stated in my previous post that I truly believe we could go 10 years without having MIP on any level and still be ok because there are a lot of us and if every member became active (cause we all know each org. has members that aren't) the organization will be ok. Now, Honorary Membership can be seen as recruiting, and in that aspect and that aspect alone, that is recruting for us (even though I'm not 100% for Honorary Membership). But outside of bestowing honorary membership, I do believe that is the only "recruiting" tool used. I doubt very seriously that chapters that are having lines in the 100s are out asking folks to come to an interest meeting, think about joining us. Hell, they are trying to find ways to put the Interest Meeting flyers in "not so obvious" places, lol! |
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Post by Warner Fite on Jul 17, 2009 12:19:18 GMT -5
For some odd reason....
I see Clinton and Sharpton, one white, one black, both extreme opposite ends of the sprectrum personality wise....as a subject of cross-culture and diversity for Phi Beta Sigma.
My feeling is that Sigma is on to something great through diversity. I think this is something that all greeks should be celebrating. How and why they induct their members is only the businesss of Sigma....
Mo Kelly brings up good debatable points....but those aren't neccesarily right or all that accurate, either. In the words of Damie, they are, however, plausible.
In all sincerity, I like their latest inductee class.
I'm also proud that Kappa boast a membership of great heritage thru non-honorary. Though this is becoming somewhat of a debate throughout the ranks...
My feeling is that in the next 3 or 4 years, Kappa will be making a grand exception to that rule.
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Post by icebraka on Jul 17, 2009 13:33:03 GMT -5
Well from all of the pics on FB it looks like the Sigmers had fun......I didn't see not one airbrushed shirt.......
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 17, 2009 14:26:51 GMT -5
All I know is...
I can't wait for Al Sharpton to call Bubba "LB" on TV somewhere
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 17, 2009 15:12:12 GMT -5
All I know is... I can't wait for Al Sharpton to call Bubba "LB" on TV somewhere LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait either! I have a co-worker that is a Sigma, and we've been talking about it. So, I think that Al Sharpton is the Ace, and maybe Bill Clinton or Steve Wonder as the tail. And then everyone else falls in between, (don't really know the heights, but you get it, who will be the deuce, etc.) what ya'll think ;D |
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Post by Southie on Jul 17, 2009 15:45:59 GMT -5
Steve needs to be somewhere in the middle....
Captain: I would guess both Al and Bubba would fight for this position but Al might win that one out.
Deuce: yeah, Bubba would hold that down ;D
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Post by Blu on Jul 17, 2009 18:25:42 GMT -5
Well from all of the pics on FB it looks like the Sigmers had fun......I didn't see not one airbrushed shirt....... You know you one of my favorite OOA AKA's right? LOL |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 20, 2009 9:42:13 GMT -5
For some odd reason.... I see Clinton and Sharpton, one white, one black, both extreme opposite ends of the sprectrum personality wise....as a subject of cross-culture and diversity for Phi Beta Sigma. My feeling is that Sigma is on to something great through diversity. I think this is something that all greeks should be celebrating. How and why they induct their members is only the businesss of Sigma.... Mo Kelly brings up good debatable points....but those aren't neccesarily right or all that accurate, either. In the words of Damie, they are, however, plausible. In all sincerity, I like their latest inductee class. I'm also proud that Kappa boast a membership of great heritage thru non-honorary. Though this is becoming somewhat of a debate throughout the ranks... My feeling is that in the next 3 or 4 years, Kappa will be making a grand exception to that rule. Agreed.... I do have one question concerning honorary membership....is an honorary member initiated using the same ritual as a regular and duly initiated member or is there a special liturgy just for honorary membership? I only ask because IF a person is taken through the regular ritual then they aren't necessarily Honorary....they are a member....PERIOD. |
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Post by Blu on Jul 20, 2009 9:45:20 GMT -5
For some odd reason.... I see Clinton and Sharpton, one white, one black, both extreme opposite ends of the sprectrum personality wise....as a subject of cross-culture and diversity for Phi Beta Sigma. My feeling is that Sigma is on to something great through diversity. I think this is something that all greeks should be celebrating. How and why they induct their members is only the businesss of Sigma.... Mo Kelly brings up good debatable points....but those aren't neccesarily right or all that accurate, either. In the words of Damie, they are, however, plausible. In all sincerity, I like their latest inductee class. I'm also proud that Kappa boast a membership of great heritage thru non-honorary. Though this is becoming somewhat of a debate throughout the ranks... My feeling is that in the next 3 or 4 years, Kappa will be making a grand exception to that rule. Agreed.... I do have one question concerning honorary membership....is an honorary member initiated using the same ritual as a regular and duly initiated member or is there a special liturgy just for honorary membership? I only ask because IF a person is taken through the regular ritual then they aren't necessarily Honorary....they are a member....PERIOD. I've never been present at a Honorary Member Initiation so I couldn't answer that question. I may have to check on that myself.. |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 20, 2009 9:49:58 GMT -5
I only ask because a truly HONORARY MEMBER is one who is either made through a special ceremony/ritual or is made on site, presented as a certificate and declared so by executive or legislative decree, edict or order.
If a person is made an honorary member by simply bypassing the usually PROCESS and just jumping right into the actually and usual initiation....then they are full fledged member.
Also, someone who does not have a degree can ONLY be made honorary and if they have the life experience and their values line up with those of the organization....who cares. If that organization has a mechanism to make honorary members then GO FOR IT!
I think Bill, Stevie and Al were good additions.
Sue me.
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 20, 2009 9:52:53 GMT -5
{~~ has attended an honorary ceremony.
{~~ feels quite satisfied that our "honorary members" are no more honorary than, say Hill Harper
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Post by Cambist on Jul 20, 2009 10:00:17 GMT -5
Are honorary members "invested" with the same ritual information and secrets as one who initiated by the majority of members? That's the question.
I have written an honorary ritual for an organization because they didn't want those who were conferred honorary membership to be confused into believing that they were "regular" members.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 20, 2009 11:04:37 GMT -5
For Delta, yes they are Cam. Only the path to initiation is different. They know the same secrets and have the same rights as members initiated through UG/alumnae chapters.
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 20, 2009 11:16:54 GMT -5
To me, honorary membership is simply membership with a special allowance to substitute your money for your physical work/presence. Where I come from, honorary members are members indeed. Honorary members didn't put in as much work to be vested with their info, but I suppose the same could be said of MIP members (depending on who was speaking). Not for nothing though, I don't really foresee any of our honorary members actually wanting to exercise their "membership privileges"
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jul 20, 2009 11:22:48 GMT -5
They definitely get better seats when they show up to conventions  |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 20, 2009 12:14:18 GMT -5
They definitely get better seats when they show up to conventions ::DEAD:: I don't know if Honorary Members take the same vows as we do. I know that they are inducted during which ever Boule membership is being bestowed and it is administered by national officers, so that I can't really answer.  I still say if you are going to administer Honorary Membership, let the folks at least have a college degree. That is just one brown person's opinion. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 20, 2009 12:16:37 GMT -5
To me, honorary membership is simply membership with a special allowance to substitute your money for your physical work/presence. Where I come from, honorary members are members indeed. Honorary members didn't put in as much work to be vested with their info, but I suppose the same could be said of MIP members (depending on who was speaking). Not for nothing though, I don't really foresee any of our honorary members actually wanting to exercise their "membership privileges" I think that is the big issue some members have with honorary membership. |
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Post by perroloco on Jul 20, 2009 19:12:14 GMT -5
I only ask because a truly HONORARY MEMBER is one who is either made through a special ceremony/ritual or is made on site, presented as a certificate and declared so by executive or legislative decree, edict or order. If a person is made an honorary member by simply bypassing the usually PROCESS and just jumping right into the actually and usual initiation....then they are full fledged member. Also, someone who does not have a degree can ONLY be made honorary and if they have the life experience and their values line up with those of the organization....who cares. If that organization has a mechanism to make honorary members then GO FOR IT! I think Bill, Stevie and Al were good additions. Sue me. Every org has a right to its own membership philosophy. I'm glad my org decides not to confer our membership in this manner. Your life experience may preclude the necessity of "pledging" but you damn sure need to seek Omega and partake of the necessary mechanisms of Omegadom. Hank Aaron was delayed from making his initiation due to the filming of a commercial so he was never "inducted". Even though he sought the Frat and paid his money, he is not a member. As much as he has done and accomplished, he could be conferred "honorary" membership but Omega chooses a different course. |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 21, 2009 6:47:45 GMT -5
I only ask because a truly HONORARY MEMBER is one who is either made through a special ceremony/ritual or is made on site, presented as a certificate and declared so by executive or legislative decree, edict or order. If a person is made an honorary member by simply bypassing the usually PROCESS and just jumping right into the actually and usual initiation....then they are full fledged member. Also, someone who does not have a degree can ONLY be made honorary and if they have the life experience and their values line up with those of the organization....who cares. If that organization has a mechanism to make honorary members then GO FOR IT! I think Bill, Stevie and Al were good additions. Sue me. Every org has a right to its own membership philosophy. I'm glad my org decides not to confer our membership in this manner. Your life experience may preclude the necessity of "pledging" but you damn sure need to seek Omega and partake of the necessary mechanisms of Omegadom. Hank Aaron was delayed from making his initiation due to the filming of a commercial so he was never "inducted". Even though he sought the Frat and paid his money, he is not a member. As much as he has done and accomplished, he could be conferred "honorary" membership but Omega chooses a different course. And that's fine because that's how the organization chooses to conduct and control it's "gates". Several organziations have chosen to not have honorary membership status and others, while confering the title "Honorary", actually put members through the same ritual as everyone else. So in that light, the title "Honorary" is moreso a replacement for a chapter name than a description of how someone was actually made. To each his/her own. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 21, 2009 10:40:22 GMT -5
and re: Hank Aaron if ya'll gon make him, hurry up and do it 'cause the whole posthumous induction thing...done to death. Skip 'nem definitely have the market cornered on that. I was gonna try to see if Sojourner Truth wanted to get down with Z Phi B but I gotta see if the Alfers'll let me hold their spirit medium or whatever
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Post by Cambist on Jul 21, 2009 10:53:10 GMT -5
Hey Leja....you wanna jone? Cause im fresh today and ready. LOL!
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2009 11:37:53 GMT -5
and re: Hank Aaron if ya'll gon make him, hurry up and do it 'cause the whole posthumous induction thing...done to death. Skip 'nem definitely have the market cornered on that. I was gonna try to see if Sojourner Truth wanted to get down with Z Phi B but I gotta see if the Alfers'll let me hold their spirit medium or whatever Done......with........you! Twice in two days Leja, to the corner! |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2009 11:38:50 GMT -5
I only ask because a truly HONORARY MEMBER is one who is either made through a special ceremony/ritual or is made on site, presented as a certificate and declared so by executive or legislative decree, edict or order. If a person is made an honorary member by simply bypassing the usually PROCESS and just jumping right into the actually and usual initiation....then they are full fledged member. Also, someone who does not have a degree can ONLY be made honorary and if they have the life experience and their values line up with those of the organization....who cares. If that organization has a mechanism to make honorary members then GO FOR IT! I think Bill, Stevie and Al were good additions. Sue me. Every org has a right to its own membership philosophy. I'm glad my org decides not to confer our membership in this manner. Your life experience may preclude the necessity of "pledging" but you damn sure need to seek Omega and partake of the necessary mechanisms of Omegadom. Hank Aaron was delayed from making his initiation due to the filming of a commercial so he was never "inducted". Even though he sought the Frat and paid his money, he is not a member. As much as he has done and accomplished, he could be conferred "honorary" membership but Omega chooses a different course. Wish mine did  |
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Post by ACES on Jul 21, 2009 12:38:05 GMT -5
Every org has a right to its own membership philosophy. I'm glad my org decides not to confer our membership in this manner. Your life experience may preclude the necessity of "pledging" but you damn sure need to seek Omega and partake of the necessary mechanisms of Omegadom. Hank Aaron was delayed from making his initiation due to the filming of a commercial so he was never "inducted". Even though he sought the Frat and paid his money, he is not a member. As much as he has done and accomplished, he could be conferred "honorary" membership but Omega chooses a different course. And that's fine because that's how the organization chooses to conduct and control it's "gates". Several organziations have chosen to not have honorary membership status and others, while confering the title "Honorary", actually put members through the same ritual as everyone else. So in that light, the title "Honorary" is moreso a replacement for a chapter name than a description of how someone was actually made.To each his/her own. sums it up... |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 21, 2009 15:10:58 GMT -5
Still missing the point. Will leave it as is, tired of beating a dead horse.
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Post by adisa on Jul 21, 2009 19:00:11 GMT -5
I was gonna try to see if Sojourner Truth wanted to get down with Z Phi B but I gotta see if the Alfers'll let me hold their spirit medium or whatever I believe adding Sojourner would greatly improve Z Phi B. More power to the pussies! |
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Post by ACES on Jul 21, 2009 19:40:59 GMT -5
missing what point, Juicy?
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Post by LejaOMG on Jul 22, 2009 8:31:32 GMT -5
I was gonna try to see if Sojourner Truth wanted to get down with Z Phi B but I gotta see if the Alfers'll let me hold their spirit medium or whatever I believe adding Sojourner would greatly improve Z Phi B. More power to the pussies!Wow. |
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Post by Southie on Jul 22, 2009 10:02:03 GMT -5
I was gonna try to see if Sojourner Truth wanted to get down with Z Phi B but I gotta see if the Alfers'll let me hold their spirit medium or whatever I believe adding Sojourner would greatly improve Z Phi B. More power to the pussies! uh....let's see now...nevermind.  |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 22, 2009 10:54:22 GMT -5
I was waiting for the claws, lol!
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