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Post by ACES on Jul 13, 2009 12:21:21 GMT -5
Do you agree with the following statement?
My org is bigger than any member.
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Post by ACES on Jul 13, 2009 12:28:30 GMT -5
lol......difficult answer?
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Jul 13, 2009 12:29:43 GMT -5
Is the sum greater than the parts??
From a pragmatic stance - YES
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Post by Cambist on Jul 13, 2009 12:30:37 GMT -5
I agree with it to the degree that the concepts, ideals, history, etc...is much bigger than any one member or any group of members.
I do have to add that an organization is only as good is it's collective members though. This greatness is graded on a very weighted average.
Look at it like a grade point average....Great members are worth 4 points...worthless sloths are worth 0.....I'm not talking about people who do nothing...i'm talking about those who do things to damage the image.
So for every great member....balance him/her with that worthless dude/dudette who makes your org look bad.
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Jul 13, 2009 13:03:00 GMT -5
Do you agree with the following statement? My org is bigger than any member. Aces, As a Past International President told me, "every member is equal". To me that means no matter your title or position, it boils down to the fact that we are all members of this organization to make things work! It is the bigger concept that takes priority, but without the member, the concept cannot be produced. |
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Post by ACES on Jul 13, 2009 13:04:51 GMT -5
I understand that the member drives the idea. but is the member bigger than the idea? or does the idea transcend each member?
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2009 13:05:06 GMT -5
Is the sum greater than the parts?? From a pragmatic stance - YES agrees |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2009 13:06:00 GMT -5
I understand that the member drives the idea. but is the member bigger than the idea? or does the idea transcend each member? say what now? |
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Post by coldfront06 on Jul 13, 2009 13:06:32 GMT -5
Do you agree with the following statement? My org is bigger than any member. I agree with the statement. To me, it means that the mission, principles, purpose, rules, etc. should never be changed or compromised for any one member. |
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Jul 13, 2009 13:07:11 GMT -5
the idea should live within each member and be seen through the acts which the member chooses to do.
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Post by ACES on Jul 13, 2009 13:09:03 GMT -5
I understand that the member drives the idea. but is the member bigger than the idea? or does the idea transcend each member? say what now? your organization is set of ideas and principles, nes pas? do these ideas and principles transcend each member? |
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Post by ACES on Jul 13, 2009 13:10:37 GMT -5
the idea should live within each member and be seen through the acts which the member chooses to do. so the member is requisite for the idea to live? |
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Jul 13, 2009 13:11:20 GMT -5
In this case, I would say no, because without the members, the ideals and principles would not exist in such a fashion.
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Post by ACES on Jul 13, 2009 13:11:37 GMT -5
Do you agree with the following statement? My org is bigger than any member. I agree with the statement. To me, it means that the mission, principles, purpose, rules, etc. should never be changed or compromised for any one member. does this include Founders? |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2009 13:23:36 GMT -5
well, without the founders there would be no org, but i think we have to remember is was a a greater cause/mission back then... they (all the orgs) came together for a people!
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 13, 2009 13:27:17 GMT -5
well, without the founders there would be no org, but i think we have to remember is was a a greater cause/mission back then... they (all the orgs) came together for a people! Agreed, it now seems that most are about self now. |
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Post by No Screen Name on Jul 13, 2009 13:42:24 GMT -5
I agree--yes, the org is BIGGER than any one member. It's all about being a part of something bigger than yourself; a multitude of disparate parts making up the whole.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 13, 2009 13:43:24 GMT -5
I agree--yes, the org is BIGGER than any one member. It's all about being a part of something bigger than yourself; a multitude of disparate parts making up the whole. Get out of my head Z! LOL!  |
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Post by No Screen Name on Jul 13, 2009 13:52:25 GMT -5
ROFL! This is kind of random, but in the city I used to live in, the symbol of the police department was a beehive. All of the officers wore the behive symbol on their sleeve. It was supposed to represent being a part of something bigger than yourself. I thought that was kind of neat. This post reminded me of that.  |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Jul 13, 2009 14:04:18 GMT -5
ROFL! This is kind of random, but in the city I used to live in, the symbol of the police department was a beehive. All of the officers wore the behive symbol on their sleeve. It was supposed to represent being a part of something bigger than yourself. I thought that was kind of neat. This post reminded me of that. Nice.......... |
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Post by nsync on Jul 13, 2009 14:08:46 GMT -5
I don't think any type of org is bigger than it's members. It is the people who draft the principles and mission. it's people who carry it out.
However, organizations can be bigger than one given member, depending on the setting.
If there is an area where there is one representative of the organization and there is a group of people who are intially being introduced to that organization through that representative, then the person can become bigger than organization, because that person becomes the organization in that arena.
...thus making the original concept contexual.
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2009 14:19:03 GMT -5
ROFL! This is kind of random, but in the city I used to live in, the symbol of the police department was a beehive. All of the officers wore the behive symbol on their sleeve. It was supposed to represent being a part of something bigger than yourself. I thought that was kind of neat. This post reminded me of that. until they sting yo ass! |
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