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Post by Julie Art on Jul 9, 2009 14:14:19 GMT -5
But that's my point....we all come here to blow off steam and fuck off. She asked a question she seemed to already have the answer to. Juicy- What if some interest would have come up to you and asked you this question TO YOUR FACE, when you were in undergrad? What would you have said? Exactly. It's the internet. She doesn't seem to want or need an answer but if she gets on....even if it's from several different perspectives and different organizations maybe it will satisfy her curiosity. Don't assume you would know my answer Cam, cause you don't. If I already know this person, have witnessed their interactions, have seen what they have done to express interests, my answer will be quite different to that person then to someone who I never met, never seen in my life, they don't know my name either, but just because they see my keychain, car tag, bag., etc., here they come. But then again, I'm speaking from experience here. (there's that word that keeps popping up in about every post of mine in this thread. Interesting, huh?) AND, if an aspirant feels they can't communicate, or too scared to talk to the members of the org. for whom's chapter they seek membership, what the heck they gonna do if they get in? Sit by themselves and talk to no one? Be serious. As I have said before, nothing in the REAL world is handed to you, and if you go into the world thinking so, you are gonna get a rude awakening, and BGLOs are a great anaology of this concept. Swim or sink. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 9, 2009 14:18:19 GMT -5
But that's my point....we all come here to blow off steam and fuck off. She asked a question she seemed to already have the answer to. Juicy- What if some interest would have come up to you and asked you this question TO YOUR FACE, when you were in undergrad? What would you have said? Exactly. It's the internet. She doesn't seem to want or need an answer but if she gets on....even if it's from several different perspectives and different organizations maybe it will satisfy her curiosity.
Just a thought, maybe it might help if she actually KNEW Juicy before she asked her something about her org. Agree? Ha, just saw this  |
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Post by Iceman on Jul 9, 2009 14:18:31 GMT -5
All D9 organizations promote the betterment of the black community. Members of these organizations are role models and beacons of perseverance and dedication to service. Don't these organizations aspire to bring in new generations of people dedicated to uplifting the community? If so---why does expressing interest become a game of menial do's and dont's and fear of "blackballing"? Everyone ( I would hope) was once an aspirant, so why then as members of the organization is there chastisement and pushing aspirants away?! You were once in our shoes. I by no means admire WGLO's , however I do agree with their openness to speaking with aspirants . I believe there should be a challenging process ----challenge cultivates growth. But challenge has been replaced by cattiness and all sorts of ridiculousness. I'm a D9 interest, I'm beginning to understand "The Game", but I'm just wondering why it has to be a game.....I look forward to responses! Re-read this question. What's wrong with it? I'm sure every one of you either asked it or had a LS/LB who did. Frat - There may not be anything necessarily wrong with asking the question anonymously if the individual is curious. But there’s also nothing wrong with Greeks on the board not wanting to give out tutorials on why everything is the way it is. Even if this person is petitioning to get down with a chapter that doesn’t pledge – Is it still supposed to be THAT easy to get in our Orgs? Are they supposed to have just an “all expenses paid“ ride into the Org from the point of expressing interest to initiation? I say Nay. Let them experience a little unease, confusion and show some fortitude in the face of it. What this individual is questioning has been in existence before any of on this board became Greek. If someone’s skin isn’t thick enough to deal with a chapter’s harmless trial period of “unofficial” evaluation, how will they have the wherewithal to endure the Org’s “official” (and harsher) selective process later? In the end, if membership is what they truly want, it’s best for them to experience their own journey with the specific chapter they have their eye on. And Honestly Bro, even without the internet – When I was coming through, I never asked “Why the need for The Game?” to a member or any other Greek. Shoot, I was just happy to be playing. Just being on the cusp of the “possibility” to become an Alpha was enough for me to not complain about it. |
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Post by Julie Art on Jul 9, 2009 14:21:36 GMT -5
Re-read this question. What's wrong with it? I'm sure every one of you either asked it or had a LS/LB who did. Frat - There may not be anything necessarily wrong with asking the question anonymously if the individual is curious. But there’s also nothing wrong with Greeks on the board not wanting to give out tutorials on why everything is the way it is. Even if this person is petitioning to get down with a chapter that doesn’t pledge – Is it still supposed to be THAT easy to get in our Orgs? Are they supposed to have just an “all expenses paid“ ride into the Org from the point of expressing interest to initiation? I say Nay. Let them experience a little unease, confusion and show some fortitude in the face of it. What this individual is questioning has been in existence before any of on this board became Greek. If someone’s skin isn’t thick enough to deal with a chapter’s harmless trial period of “unofficial” evaluation, how will they have the wherewithal to endure the Org’s “official” (and harsher) selective process later? In the end, if membership is what they truly want, it’s best for them to experience their own journey with the specific chapter they have their eye on. And Honestly Bro, even without the internet – When I was coming through, I never asked “Why the need for The Game?” to a member or any other Greek. Shoot, I was just happy to be playing. Just being on the cusp of the “possibility” to become an Alpha was enough for me to be not to complain about it. underlined, lol! But that is true! There isn't one! Never has been, never will be. |
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Post by juschill on Jul 9, 2009 17:05:40 GMT -5
:cough cough: so i was kinder thinking about this today...and alot of you good ppl are talking about the "spoon fed" generation of greek aspirants, and I do agree alot do act that way, however one would have to be privy to this culture beforehand to even know this. now of course you shouldn't expect be to GIVEN anything in life, but "greek life" really isnt as "duuuh" as people think so how does a freshman starting college who has absolutely NO CLUE about anything regarding greeks go about "properly" seeking information about XYZ org, or asking this and that question. if that person didnt know any better, of course they would apply what they feel is "appropriate" measures to the circumstances. we use the internet for research, so why would an aspirant (once again, never been introduced to anything greek) realize that using the internet to research their org of choice is frowned upon? you will eventually learn through time the "do's and don'ts", but thats only with trial and error. but if someone is still going through the "trial" session... =/ First thing you do is go to events, you can see the kind of people who attend these events, and peep the atmosphere. Second, you look up whatever information you can find on the group and reserch past history (national and the chapter on campus) , members, current evets, programs, etc. Thirdly, you find you arent eligible as a freshman anyway, so you continue you do 1 and 2 and focus on your studies until you are eligible! If you do #1 enough, you will eventually start communicating with other interests and maybe even get to know members of the chapter on campus.... and by "looking up"...u mean using the innanet, no? also, before i would even think to step foot at an event knowing im interested, i would still do some info gathering online...just like before i go to an interview, i would look online... my original question is, if said aspirant has been raised to research stuff online and thats just the world we live in today, WHY would said aspirant (mind you, one who has no prior exposure to anything greek) think to look elsewhere first? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 9, 2009 17:11:39 GMT -5
First thing you do is go to events, you can see the kind of people who attend these events, and peep the atmosphere. Second, you look up whatever information you can find on the group and reserch past history (national and the chapter on campus) , members, current evets, programs, etc. Thirdly, you find you arent eligible as a freshman anyway, so you continue you do 1 and 2 and focus on your studies until you are eligible! If you do #1 enough, you will eventually start communicating with other interests and maybe even get to know members of the chapter on campus.... and by "looking up"...u mean using the innanet, no? also, before i would even think to step foot at an event knowing im interested, i would still do some info gathering online...just like before i go to an interview, i would look online... my original question is, if said aspirant has been raised to research stuff online and thats just the world we live in today, WHY would said aspirant (mind you, one who has no prior exposure to anything greek) think to look elsewhere first?
It's not that you don't recognize you need to ask PEOPLE questions - you know you need to - you just choose not to ask the most pertinent people and instead do it over the internet. That honestly - just makes no sense to me. |
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Post by juschill on Jul 9, 2009 17:26:29 GMT -5
yea, makes sense
but then again, some aspirants don't realize the "asking PERTINENT people the questions" aspect of it.
some might see one XYZ member and assume they are the end all/be all of what XYZ is...heck maybe ABC and GHI as well. then they think said member will lead them to ABC-XYZdom, nationwide.
some just dont know any better. furthermore, they might not find this in a book located in the stacks on the 4th floor in UGL (bwaha). what seems common to those who "have it" just might not be that common to those who dont...
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jul 9, 2009 17:31:22 GMT -5
Well for the record, I wish you and all the other pursuants well... I just do not think you are well-served using a message board of disparate personalities, walks of life, and affiliations for info. But to each their own. Good luck.
And also, after starting this thread and all this talk I tell you this much, let Great Value NOT come back up in here and continue to talk with folks. You had betta NOT ride in and ride out on the same thread.
And JustChill - keep posting.
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