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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2009 14:33:14 GMT -5
right!!! LOL
I guess time really does bring about a change...you wont pay $500 to stay and active member but you pay $1000+ to become a member...
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Post by Iceman on Jul 14, 2009 8:06:36 GMT -5
I've never been suspended so I can't say for sure...but I guess the mentality is that without paying your up front costs, there's no other way in. But once that's paid and your initiated, you are IN. From then on, whether you get suspended or become inactive...you are still IN. Shoot, you can even get expelled and many members in your brotherhood or sisterhood will still look at you as still being IN. So some cats probably say to themselves.."What's the point?"
But like others have already said, if you do have the means, why not pay up and straighten your situation out?
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Post by Oldskool on Jul 14, 2009 9:29:36 GMT -5
I've never been suspended so I can't say for sure...but I guess the mentality is that without paying your up front costs, there's no other way in. But once that's paid and your initiated, you are IN. From then on, whether you get suspended or become inactive...you are still IN. Shoot, you can even get expelled and many members in your brotherhood or sisterhood will still look at you as still being IN. So some cats probably say to themselves.."What's the point?" But like others have already said, if you do have the means, why not pay up and straighten your situation out?  |
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 14, 2009 9:36:03 GMT -5
true dat!!
But if IF was a fif.....
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Jul 14, 2009 10:12:29 GMT -5
There is always a "if" when it comes to people. So many directions, only one way to go!
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 14, 2009 14:56:20 GMT -5
I guess I never understood expelling anyone. You have all the info relating to the org now. So what you can't "legally" go to stuff. It's plenty of people who are not suspended or expelled who bootleg conventions. But if it was me I would pay the fine because I love DST!!! But if I loved DST then I wouldn't be suspended. I agree but I also think it depends on why they were suspended and if they felt it was justifiable. Some of the things going on in orgs (not just ours) is BS and leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths. In turn, they rep unofficially and say "bump the establishment" part. I know alot of extremely active yet non financial greeks. The financially support their chapter of iniation, participate in service projects, social events, etc. They just refuse to pay into the national body. Right or wrong, cant say...but I think in some cases I can understand. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 14, 2009 15:00:20 GMT -5
I've never been suspended so I can't say for sure...but I guess the mentality is that without paying your up front costs, there's no other way in. But once that's paid and your initiated, you are IN. From then on, whether you get suspended or become inactive...you are still IN. Shoot, you can even get expelled and many members in your brotherhood or sisterhood will still look at you as still being IN. So some cats probably say to themselves.."What's the point?" But like others have already said, if you do have the means, why not pay up and straighten your situation out? \ If I felt I was unjustifiably suspended, I dont think I'd be in a rush to pony up a rack of ducketts...actually, Im sure I wouldnt. And I know quite a few people suspended on some speculative BS or by association. I.E I know a few dudes who got suspended just for being on the same line as some dudes who got caught hazing....and the whole line wasnt even involved. That's jacked up. How you gonna suspend the whole line for pledging but not even be "down" with the "one" concept? That some bull-fuckery! |
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Post by Blues Clues on Aug 15, 2009 5:18:41 GMT -5
I was just looking at the delta website and the list of suspended members.. its amazing that the list is still as long as it is only because sorors havent paid their fines? The list would be cut in half, if not more if they just paid. Do you know anyone that has been suspended? If so, did they pay their fine and become back active or just say funk it? Would you pay? Do you think people who dont pay after a certain time should be expelled? Times are hard....some people really just can't afford it....is it a reason for suspension? IMO, NO....I think inactive status would be better... All sororities depend on your dues to run the national office, as well as the local chapters, so it is important to pay these dues...Should there be a fine for late payment...YES...I knew someone who wasn't financial before I crossed, and when she heard (through the pumpkin vine) that I crossed, she went to got back financial AND active....I think some people just needs help, so if a fellow soror could help them, or they could get pardoned until their financial situation is correct, then that may be a good way to go.... Of course I would pay it....I didn't join to get suspened......WTH?? |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 9:53:43 GMT -5
What's really interesting is that most were able to stow away up to $2,000 AS BROKE ASSED COLLEGE STUDENTS in order to pledge. *shrugs* Most people (that I know) get assistance from family. My line even chipped in to pay the initiation fees for one of our LSs....so dont assume that the money to pledge came so easy. Also, it would be much harder to convince someone to assist you in getting money to reactivate after a suspension than to get in to begin with. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 9:55:11 GMT -5
I was just looking at the delta website and the list of suspended members.. its amazing that the list is still as long as it is only because sorors havent paid their fines? The list would be cut in half, if not more if they just paid. Do you know anyone that has been suspended? If so, did they pay their fine and become back active or just say funk it? Would you pay? Do you think people who dont pay after a certain time should be expelled? Times are hard....some people really just can't afford it....is it a reason for suspension? IMO, NO....I think inactive status would be better... All sororities depend on your dues to run the national office, as well as the local chapters, so it is important to pay these dues...Should there be a fine for late payment...YES...I knew someone who wasn't financial before I crossed, and when she heard (through the pumpkin vine) that I crossed, she went to got back financial AND active....I think some people just needs help, so if a fellow soror could help them, or they could get pardoned until their financial situation is correct, then that may be a good way to go.... Of course I would pay it....I didn't join to get suspened......WTH?? I dont think she was saying that folks got suspended for not being financial. Ive never heard of that being a reason why people were suspended. |
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Post by Blues Clues on Aug 17, 2009 10:08:26 GMT -5
Times are hard....some people really just can't afford it....is it a reason for suspension? IMO, NO....I think inactive status would be better... All sororities depend on your dues to run the national office, as well as the local chapters, so it is important to pay these dues...Should there be a fine for late payment...YES...I knew someone who wasn't financial before I crossed, and when she heard (through the pumpkin vine) that I crossed, she went to got back financial AND active....I think some people just needs help, so if a fellow soror could help them, or they could get pardoned until their financial situation is correct, then that may be a good way to go.... Of course I would pay it....I didn't join to get suspened......WTH?? I dont think she was saying that folks got suspended for not being financial. Ive never heard of that being a reason why people were suspended. I see that, but what would be a reason for suspension?? What would be reasons to be fined??? Behaviors, criminal activities, ....  |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 17, 2009 10:09:12 GMT -5
I wasn't assuming that it came easily, just that they got it done because it needed to be done. They wanted to. If people decide to not follow through with obligations because they felt wronged or that something was unfair.....what real lessons did they learn while pledging? Don't snitch?
*waits for answer*
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Post by Blues Clues on Aug 17, 2009 10:15:59 GMT -5
I wasn't assuming that it came easily, just that they got it done because it needed to be done. They wanted to. If people decide to not follow through with obligations because they felt wronged or that something was unfair.....what real lessons did they learn while pledging? Don't snitch? *waits for answer* Some people learned what was needed to get by..It is like studying for a test, as they get the letters, they forget some of the very basic stuff that they should be remembering forever..... I always refer back to a member of XYZ org. who asked me what sorority I belonged to, COULD SHE NOT SEE THE LETTERS ON MY CHEST> I know that learning the greek alphabet was one of the first things that I learned, and at least all the D9 letters you should be familiar with...WTH!!! |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 10:27:14 GMT -5
I dont think she was saying that folks got suspended for not being financial. Ive never heard of that being a reason why people were suspended. I see that, but what would be a reason for suspension?? What would be reasons to be fined??? Behaviors, criminal activities, .... Usually it has to do with hazing or some other behavior that goes against the orgs principles, etc. You've never heard of people being suspended? The fine is to be reinstated. |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 10:32:43 GMT -5
I wasn't assuming that it came easily, just that they got it done because it needed to be done. They wanted to. If people decide to not follow through with obligations because they felt wronged or that something was unfair.....what real lessons did they learn while pledging? Don't snitch? *waits for answer* I already gave an answer. Personally, if I got suspended over some BS, I would not be in any rush to pay hundreds of dollars to an institution that railroaded me. And that has nothing to do with pledging. Im not sure what that has to do with the lessons of pledging anyway. Sure there is the "what did pledging teach" argument but what are the orgs who do this to their members saying? I can cite example upon example of people getting suspended over unjustifiable BS (and I gave some earlier in this thread). |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 17, 2009 10:40:51 GMT -5
Come on Priss....I can also cite example after example of people who get arrested for doing "nothing".
Some do get caught in the crossfire and that's unfortunate. I will also concede that a few do fall victim to personal vendetta but those cases where the individual is actually innocent of any wrongdoing are outliers.
Let's face it, MOST people are are suspended and/or fined beacuse of something they did.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 10:44:57 GMT -5
Come on Priss....I can cite example after example of people who get arrested for doing "nothing". That doesn't mean that MOST people who are suspended are more than likely guilty. Some do get caught in the crossfire and that's unfortunate. I will also concede that a few do fall victim to personal vendetta but those cases where the individual is actually innocent of any wrongdoing are outliers. Let's face it, MOST people are are suspended and/or fined beacuse of something they did. I dont disagree but I didnt think thats what was being asked. If I did something wrong, then I'd "do my time" and pay up. But just like there are non financial members whove done nothing wrong, there are people who did whatever to get suspended. Once their suspension is lifted, they are no different than any other non financial member. So I guess I dont see it as distinctly different issue. I also think there are far more people who pay after suspension than dont otherwise those lists would be even longer. I know a Soror who was suspended in 2005 and her suspension lifts in Oct. She cant wait to become financial again...and in her case, she just happened to get caught in the crossfire. |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 17, 2009 10:58:52 GMT -5
Then we don't disagree....not necessarily.
I KNOW that there are people who get caught in the crossfire and I know that human nature says that some will be bitter over the situation and decide to NOT reactivate.
That's fine too...if that's what they choose....especially if they aren't enjoying other benefits of membership that i'm paying for.
My problem is with people who get suspended, don't pay the fine but are some of the most vocal folk in the org.
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Post by Blues Clues on Aug 17, 2009 11:05:43 GMT -5
I see that, but what would be a reason for suspension?? What would be reasons to be fined??? Behaviors, criminal activities, .... Usually it has to do with hazing or some other behavior that goes against the orgs principles, etc. You've never heard of people being suspended? The fine is to be reinstated. Not here....my chapter is real small.... I have been doing research though, and been seeing all these various reason for suspension.... |
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 11:13:04 GMT -5
Then we don't disagree....not necessarily. I KNOW that there are people who get caught in the crossfire and I know that human nature says that some will be bitter over the situation and decide to NOT reactivate. That's fine too...if that's what they choose....especially if they aren't enjoying other benefits of membership that i'm paying for. My problem is with people who get suspended, don't pay the fine but are some of the most vocal folk in the org. ' How vocal can they be without being active? Other than just always having something to say...but they cant really do anything if they arent active, everything is about a vote--and you dont have one if you arent active...at least not in DST. As for the benefits of membership...Im not sure what you mean by that but thats just how it always is in life...heck, less than half of us pay condo fees yet even the deadbeat owners benefit. What can you do? Not much...and even less in terms of our orgs. Expulsion? I think thats dumb...you cant ever really EXPEL someone from being a member of a BGLO....to me, your affiliation is based upon your rites and what you know and being finacially active is simply one of the many expectations. Expulsion just seems counter intuitive...like locking up a dude who doesnt pay child support. What good does that do? |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 17, 2009 11:54:34 GMT -5
Expulsion is stupid....especially since no organizations are willing to really back it up with real action.
This goes back to our own personal responsibility. The only way a suspension can have the full weight is if it is recognized and respected by the entire membership. If my chapter allows a suspended member to pay local dues and participate while under suspension or without having fulfilled his obligation to the organization, then we, by our inaction, render the national organization powerless.
It's like two divorced parents. Mom says that the son is grounded for repeatedly failing to make curfew. So the son goes to dads house and because dad thinks the grounding was unnecessary, unfair or unwarranted he allows son to go out and do what he wants.
There is nothing mom can do and that action by dad renders moms authority useless outside of her walls. We can say, "Well let him go stay with dad" but either way....she is still his mother and has still lost a large portion of her authority.
You can't complain if you are not active is absolutely right. Not active = no vote. You can whine but not formally complain.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 12:16:07 GMT -5
Expulsion is stupid....especially since no organizations are willing to really back it up with real action. This goes back to our own personal responsibility. The only way a suspension can have the full weight is if it is recognized and respected by the entire membership. If my chapter allows a suspended member to pay local dues and participate while under suspension or without having fulfilled his obligation to the organization, then we, by our inaction, render the national organization powerless. It's like two divorced parents. Mom says that the son is grounded for repeatedly failing to make curfew. So the son goes to dads house and because dad thinks the grounding was unnecessary, unfair or unwarranted he allows son to go out and do what he wants. There is nothing mom can do and that action by dad renders moms authority useless outside of her walls. We can say, "Well let him go stay with dad" but either way....she is still his mother and has still lost a large portion of her authority. You can't complain if you are not active is absolutely right. Not active = no vote. You can whine but not formally complain. Oh, well thats a different issue, that frankly, Ive never heard of. Maybe thats organizational...bc if youre suspended with us, you cant participate at all. Then again, the only way to know someone is suspended is to actively keep up with the suspension lists and I dont know if anyone does that. Heck, some of the people suspended dont even know they are suspended. The only way you'd know is when they pay their dues, they get flagged by HQ. Also, again organizational maybe...but can you really keep a member out of meeting? Regardless if they are financial or not? Again, they may not be able to vote but you cant keep them from coming to meetings (at least not in DST). Thats like telling non-tithers they cant come to church. |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 17, 2009 12:55:33 GMT -5
Technically, you can keep a non-active member from attending a meeting. You can check passcards/membership cards at the door. At least in Alpha you can.
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Post by THE emPRISS on Aug 17, 2009 13:00:36 GMT -5
Technically, you can keep a non-active member from attending a meeting. You can check passcards/membership cards at the door. At least in Alpha you can. Like I said, its organizational. Because we check cards as well but thats to make sure youre a member, not necessarily to make sure youre active. To keep inactive members out is counter intuitive to the goal of reclamation. You cant get members to become active if you keep them out of meetings that will "rekindle" their passion and desire for their orgs. Plus, people really do become inactive for a variety of reasons and I think its unfair for an outsider to that person's life/thoughts to make a judgment call as to whether their rationale is excusable or not. That very judgment is part of the reason that so many people become inactive to begin with. The organizational bodies need to really evaluate why so many people are ushered in and so few remain active...they just may find the source of the problem within themselves. |
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Post by Cambist on Aug 17, 2009 14:08:16 GMT -5
That's why I said technically....i've never seen it done but i'm sure it has happened.
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Post by LejaOMG on Aug 17, 2009 15:50:39 GMT -5
I'm at a crossroads in Zeta. I'll either be elected International Grand Basileus or suspended for 5 or more years. I'll keep ya'll posted.
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Post by Blues Clues on Aug 18, 2009 6:51:05 GMT -5
I'm at a crossroads in Zeta. I'll be elected International Grand Basileus or suspended for 5 or more years. I'll keep ya'll posted. LMAO!!! |
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Post by BKupInHere on Aug 18, 2009 10:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by Blues Clues on Aug 19, 2009 6:14:16 GMT -5
Commando Thursdays aren't bad at all....she would probably get in trouble for Commando everyday!!!! LOL |
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Post by BKupInHere on Aug 21, 2009 14:20:52 GMT -5
Commando Thursdays aren't bad at all....she would probably get in trouble for Commando everyday!!!! LOL VI,just promise me you'll hide Leja somewhere safe if anything "crazy" goes down,LOL |
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