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Post by FatalDST on Jun 16, 2009 16:04:57 GMT -5
I was just looking at the delta website and the list of suspended members.. its amazing that the list is still as long as it is only because sorors havent paid their fines? The list would be cut in half, if not more if they just paid. Do you know anyone that has been suspended? If so, did they pay their fine and become back active or just say funk it? Would you pay? Do you think people who dont pay after a certain time should be expelled?
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Post by kingdelta on Jun 16, 2009 16:11:19 GMT -5
I guess I never understood expelling anyone. You have all the info relating to the org now. So what you can't "legally" go to stuff. It's plenty of people who are not suspended or expelled who bootleg conventions.
But if it was me I would pay the fine because I love DST!!! But if I loved DST then I wouldn't be suspended.
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Post by T-Rex91 on Jun 16, 2009 16:11:26 GMT -5
Yes, several paid but one is still on the list from a suspension that was supposed to expire about 10 years ago. The ones that paid are not active.
I'm not quite sure the point of expulsion would be because once you know the secrets, they can't be taken away from you. The soror who hasn't paid her fine rolls with plates on the car and goes on with her normal day except she's not active and frankly, doesn't care.
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Post by Bunny Hop on Jun 16, 2009 16:20:23 GMT -5
I thought suspension and expulsion were two different things? Suspension having a time limit and expulsion being FO-EVA! lol
buy anyway...my friend was suspended but he's active now so I'm assuming he paid.
I know another guy that got a 10 year suspension, I don't see him paying any fines at any point unless some day his future kid became a member, lol.
I can't think of any females I know personally. I've heard of some folks being suspended though.
I'd pay just because I wouldn't want my name on the net like that!
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Post by kingdelta on Jun 16, 2009 16:26:05 GMT -5
They are different Bun. We were just addressing should the be expelled if they never paid the fine. What difference would it make?
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Post by Bunny Hop on Jun 16, 2009 16:41:25 GMT -5
oooh ok. Folks would probably never pay...just keep their name up for the shame factor.
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Post by Dr. Michelob Lite on Jun 16, 2009 17:18:16 GMT -5
D9 should do it like the skull and bones....just make them disappear. *ahem*
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Post by LejaOMG on Jun 17, 2009 10:03:18 GMT -5
I know someone who was suspended for 2 years. I don't think she had a fine. When her time was up, it was just..."up." She's a state officer now.
Interesting statement by KingDelta that if she loves her DST, she wouldn't be suspended. Somehow, for me, I just don't think its that simple. I have so much love for my org that I could conceivably see myself engaging in some internal civil disobedience to protect it. I imagine that no matter how well I covered my behind that someone with some power could off with my head if they wanted to.
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Post by Cambist on Jun 17, 2009 12:55:35 GMT -5
*raises hand*
I know someone....several actually.
People who are suspended and/or expelled can be sued for fraud if they wear 'nalia. But who's willing to take the time or money to pursue this action?
I know in some organizations, if you chapter is suspended you have to pay back taxes at the last rate you paid and for the years of suspention before you can reinstate.
For example: The Omega Omega Chapter of XYZ gets suspended for 5 years. After 5 years some young men make an attempt to reinstate the chapter. They go through all of the preliminary steps, etc.... but then they hit a wall. Because the chapter had 40 members when it was suspended, the new guys now have to not only pay their initiation fees but they also have to find a way to raise 5 years worth of chapter back taxes!
So say their chapter taxes came to $250 per year. Now, before they can do anything, they have to come up with $250.00 x 6 or $1500.00 additional dollars.
Way to get rid of some chapters, huh?
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 17, 2009 14:28:56 GMT -5
I thought suspension and expulsion were two different things? Suspension having a time limit and expulsion being FO-EVA! lol buy anyway...my friend was suspended but he's active now so I'm assuming he paid. I know another guy that got a 10 year suspension, I don't see him paying any fines at any point unless some day his future kid became a member, lol. I can't think of any females I know personally. I've heard of some folks being suspended though. I'd pay just because I wouldn't want my name on the net like that! OKAY!!!!! |
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 17, 2009 14:33:11 GMT -5
*raises hand* I know someone....several actually. People who are suspended and/or expelled can be sued for fraud if they wear 'nalia. But who's willing to take the time or money to pursue this action? I know in some organizations, if you chapter is suspended you have to pay back taxes at the last rate you paid and for the years of suspention before you can reinstate. For example: The Omega Omega Chapter of XYZ gets suspended for 5 years. After 5 years some young men make an attempt to reinstate the chapter. They go through all of the preliminary steps, etc.... but then they hit a wall. Because the chapter had 40 members when it was suspended, the new guys now have to not only pay their initiation fees but they also have to find a way to raise 5 years worth of chapter back taxes! So say their chapter taxes came to $250 per year. Now, before they can do anything, they have to come up with $250.00 x 6 or $1500.00 additional dollars. Way to get rid of some chapters, huh? yah, that sucks... i know a chapter kinda sorta caught up like this.. the difference is they want to use the chapter money to pay the chapter fine, but because the chapter is suspended, they cant actually use the chapter money.. their time has been up.. its the money issue now.. |
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 17, 2009 14:34:30 GMT -5
They are different Bun. We were just addressing should the be expelled if they never paid the fine. What difference would it make? true... they do have all the info they will probably ever need and what they done have, you know they got some LS's or sorors that keep them up on it! Do you think its okay to communicate current business to inactive/suspended sorors/frat? |
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Post by ORACLE on Jun 17, 2009 15:37:30 GMT -5
I know people who have been suspended from their org. and it is so hard for them to become active again due to not only the fines but their ability to attend different conferences required of them. A good friend of mine was suspended from XYZ but she loved her org. so much that she paid her fine and made effort to attend the required conferences or meetings she needed to attend. Ever since she became active, she has gone to everything and is still financial. Some of my chapter brothers were suspended before when they were in undergrad and they had to go all the way to FL for a conference. Imagine being in undergrad in NC with no job and trying to get to FL to meet with the regional officers for a meeting. They did it though because they love Alpha.
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Post by frozenmenace on Jun 17, 2009 18:50:37 GMT -5
The point of expulsion is so an individual will no longer be a liability to the frat/sorority. True, they still know the secrets, etc...but from a legal standpoint the organization can no longer be held accountable for something you have done if they have expelled you from the organization. At that point, you are on your own.
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Post by coldfront06 on Jun 18, 2009 6:32:55 GMT -5
*raises hand* I know someone....several actually. People who are suspended and/or expelled can be sued for fraud if they wear 'nalia. But who's willing to take the time or money to pursue this action? I know in some organizations, if you chapter is suspended you have to pay back taxes at the last rate you paid and for the years of suspention before you can reinstate. For example: The Omega Omega Chapter of XYZ gets suspended for 5 years. After 5 years some young men make an attempt to reinstate the chapter. They go through all of the preliminary steps, etc.... but then they hit a wall. Because the chapter had 40 members when it was suspended, the new guys now have to not only pay their initiation fees but they also have to find a way to raise 5 years worth of chapter back taxes! So say their chapter taxes came to $250 per year. Now, before they can do anything, they have to come up with $250.00 x 6 or $1500.00 additional dollars. Way to get rid of some chapters, huh? I've heard of a few cases like that. Generally, the chapter tries to rely on old heads to help pay the back fees. But I've also heard of some shady fundraising practices lol. |
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Jun 19, 2009 10:41:50 GMT -5
I was just looking at the delta website and the list of suspended members.. its amazing that the list is still as long as it is only because sorors havent paid their fines? The list would be cut in half, if not more if they just paid. Do you know anyone that has been suspended? If so, did they pay their fine and become back active or just say funk it? Would you pay? Do you think people who dont pay after a certain time should be expelled? |
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Post by FatalDST on Jun 19, 2009 10:52:20 GMT -5
Isnt that how everything works though Blac?
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Post by BLAC-A-MUS PRYME on Jun 19, 2009 11:23:23 GMT -5
But I am saying though (and I might be a little naive when I say this) I thought that we were FAMILY. But then reality hits me and tell me that this is an incorporation and any behavior that is not parallel with the goals and mission of the organization is highly unfavored.
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Post by Cambist on Jun 19, 2009 11:36:08 GMT -5
They have to learn to buck up, pay their fine, eat some crow and get back into the fold. What do they expect? Do they think they would pay their fine and everyone would just forget what they did? Come on......
Any ex-con will tell you that doing the time was just the beginning. Working your way back into mainstream society is a bitch.
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Post by peppermint on Jun 19, 2009 12:38:36 GMT -5
Any ex-con will tell you that doing the time was just the beginning. Working your way back into mainstream society is a bitch. Good example |
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Post by No Screen Name on Jun 19, 2009 12:51:32 GMT -5
Here's my opinion: depending on the severity of what a person did, I feel some sort of way about treating a member shady.
If they murdered somebody in the name of XYZ, or imbezzled thousands of dollars, that's one thing. But if they just got caught hazing, why treat a person like dirt--especially since more than likely the people looking down on the person did it too?
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Post by trunksie on Jul 2, 2009 20:40:34 GMT -5
they need a payment plan/layaway plan...i bet more people would pay those fines lmao!
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Post by Troopa1911 on Jul 3, 2009 13:04:25 GMT -5
Grand Chapter, Nationals or whatever you may call it knows it a bunch of bullshyt to expect payment.
I know two brothers from my chapter who put in much work...great brothers, however they were suspended and fined for trying to help another brother out of a jam involving frat related business. Well the suspension was lifted but this crazy a$$ fine $$$$ still exist. It's too much money for even our chapter to absorb.
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Post by whimsical1 on Jul 10, 2009 14:44:31 GMT -5
I know quite a few of my sorors that have been suspended. Some have paid, most have not. Think about it...you get suspended for what??? 4 or so years...you finish school, and move on with your life. Paying Delta or any other org, is probably no longer a priority years later. People have other finances to deal with. Me, where my mental state is right now...I probably wouldn't pay either.
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Post by Cambist on Jul 10, 2009 14:51:26 GMT -5
That's part of the deal. I know some people (of several orgs) that have been suspended and never paid the imposed fines.
I do know of a few individuals who were fined because of some BS or political issue but MOST were fined for violation of rules.
Barring an INABILITY to pay....why not just pay it?
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Post by whimsical1 on Jul 10, 2009 15:05:24 GMT -5
Because after being suspended so long, people have moved on to other things and could care less about paying...I guess...that's my take on it.
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Post by No Screen Name on Jul 10, 2009 17:27:14 GMT -5
they need a payment plan/layaway plan...i bet more people would pay those fines lmao! Or they should do it like they do for bankruptcy. You only pay like maybe 30% of your total fine. |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 10, 2009 18:15:55 GMT -5
I totally understand just moving on. I also agree with the notion of allowing members to pay off their fines over time.
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Post by FatalDST on Jul 13, 2009 13:13:44 GMT -5
I know quite a few of my sorors that have been suspended. Some have paid, most have not. Think about it...you get suspended for what??? 4 or so years...you finish school, and move on with your life. Paying Delta or any other org, is probably no longer a priority years later. People have other finances to deal with. Me, where my mental state is right now...I probably wouldn't pay either. Interesting. I would pay, for one, I love my org more than that, I think its embarassing to say you have been suspended, you tarnish your name and the org! Plus, I dont want my damn name up on the website. I feel like this, you pay for anything else you want.. so obviously, you dont want it enough. I can understand running into difficult times financially, but just like you been suspended for that 4-5 yrs, that fine amount dont change. You can put away that $500 over those 5 yrs! But I guess it depends on if you were just in it for letters and partying anyway, then yah, i would expect one to grow away from that.. ppl dont want to do the boring stuff like service! |
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Post by Cambist on Jul 13, 2009 13:38:51 GMT -5
What's really interesting is that most were able to stow away up to $2,000 AS BROKE ASSED COLLEGE STUDENTS in order to pledge.
*shrugs*
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