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Post by Julie Art on Apr 20, 2009 10:36:00 GMT -5
This is one of the Universities in my state. I'm all for pledging, but this process looked like it was more hazing then anything else  Student Arrested In UTC Sorority Hazing Incidents posted April 16, 2009 Seirra Smith Seirra Smith has been arrested in connection with hazing allegations against some UTC members of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Inc. Ms. Smith turned herself in on two counts of simple assault after warrants for her arrest were signed late last night. A UTC student being initiated into a sorority has alleged she was punched and kicked, winding up in the hospital with a concussion. Police have been looking into the series of hazing incidents reported to have occurred last month involving members of the UTC chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority. On Wednesday afternoon, UTC officials said actions had been taken against the sorority. Chuck Cantrell, UTC spokesperson, said, "University officials are working with the Chattanooga City Police to investigate charges of hazing by members of the Delta Sigma Theta Sorority. The Dean of Students Office has placed the chapter under a Cease and Desist order, meaning it is suspended from all activities. "Further, all current members of the sorority are on a No Contact order, prohibiting them from having any contact with those going through the membership process. The University continues to investigate the matter, and further disciplinary actions are expected against individual members of the sorority. "The Chattanooga City Police and the Hamilton County District Attorney's Office are investigating possible criminal charges beyond student disciplinary actions. "Our campus has a zero tolerance policy toward hazing, which is supported by local and state laws. Most student organizations abide by these policies and understand that participation in organizations should be based on friendship and camaraderie and not humiliation and abuse. We take reports of hazing very seriously, and we will take all appropriate measures and disciplinary actions to ensure the safety of our students and to punish those who break these laws." A report was taken on April 10 from Jasmine Johnson and her mother Karen Drake, accusing five members of the sorority in three separate incidents of hazing in which Ms. Johnson was punched in the head, chest and stomach; kicked in the stomach and back; and sprayed in the face with vinegar. After one of the incidents, Ms. Johnson told police that she had to seek medical attention for a concussion, bruising and contusions. Suspects mentioned in the allegation were Seirra Smith, Jada Davis, Rikkee Lee, Chelsey Lay and Tarekia Dentley. Police said Wednesday, "Charges are pending further investigation due to the nature of the assaults." Ms. Johnson said on March 20 she was told to be at the First Tennessee Pavilion next to Finley Stadium. She said she was approached by Ms. Smith, a sorority member and parliamentarian. She said Ms. Smith began punching her in the side of the head. She said Ms. Smith did this several times while two others girls were behind her. She said one of the girls poured ice-cold water on her head, while the other girl had a water gun and began shooting vinegar on her. She said the vinegar was shot into her eyes, causing them to burn. Ms. Johnson said she was told on another occasion to be at the track at Brainerd High School. She said Ms. Smith again approached her along with Ms. Davis and Ms. Lee. She said they began to pour chocolate syrup and milk over her head. She said Ms. Smith then broke eggs over her hair and head. Then Ms. Smith placed an egg on her chest and punched her in the chest, breaking the egg. She said Ms. Smith next placed an egg on her stomach and punched her in the stomach. She said as she rolled over, holding her stomach from being punched, Ms. Smith kicked her in the stomach. She said a short time later she noticed she was bleeding in her private area. She said she was also paddled with a wooden paddle bearing the Delat triange on her legs and knuckles. She said she attended a ceremony on March 24 in which she was "pinned" and accepted into the sorority. She said she was still bleeding and was suffering from extreme headaches and stomach pains. She said it was then she told her mother what had happened. Mrs. Drake took her daughter to Parkridge East Hospital. She was found to be suffering from a concussion, bruising and contusions to the stomach. Mrs. Drake reported the incidents to the sorority and was told it would be handled internally. Police said the student and her mother later were at UTC for a meeting with the organization. While parked there, a vehicle pulled up behind them and continued to pull closer and closer to their vehicle. Police said once the student got out of the car, the occupants (sorority members) pulled up to the victim's car and made the statement, "B----, you better watch your back." Following this incident, the victim and her mother contacted a lawyer and filed a report with UTC and the Chattanooga Police Department. www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_149038.asp |
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Post by ~DSTracted by shOES~ on Apr 20, 2009 10:38:53 GMT -5
Isn't this just peachy?
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 20, 2009 10:49:02 GMT -5
What happened to her was foul. But 1. Why did she return THREE SEPARATE TIMES? 2. She waited until she was accepted as a member to spill the beans?  In instances like this, I think it's beat up to KNOWINGLY break the rules UNTIL you get what you want, then blow the whistle. I don't understand that. She should face some consequences as well as the others. |
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Post by Cambist on Apr 20, 2009 11:22:22 GMT -5
Roll the dice too often and you eventually crap out.
You ever wonder why the NCAA rules are so tight on athletes receiving gifts, money or favors of any kind from coaches or boosters, etc...?
It's because once you unmuzzle the neurotic dog, you can't control who or when he bites. Even if he's usually pretty nice and well behaved.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 20, 2009 11:22:49 GMT -5
She should. She knew what she was doing.
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Post by Cambist on Apr 20, 2009 11:29:36 GMT -5
I agree with y'all but therein lies the problem. The risk is on the organization! She can KNOW what she was getting into and the organization STILL be responsible and liable.
You can lose your letters, get kicked out of school, face criminal charges and possibly jail, loss of academic standing, etc.....
Do the risk assessment.
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 20, 2009 11:42:10 GMT -5
What happened to her was foul. But 1. Why did she return THREE SEPARATE TIMES? 2. She waited until she was accepted as a member to spill the beans? In instances like this, I think it's beat up to KNOWINGLY break the rules UNTIL you get what you want, then blow the whistle. I don't understand that. She should face some consequences as well as the others. I wondered the same thing NSN. |
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Post by ~DSTracted by shOES~ on Apr 20, 2009 11:43:53 GMT -5
I agree with y'all but therein lies the problem. The risk is on the organization! She can KNOW what she was getting into and the organization STILL be responsible and liable. You can lose your letters, get kicked out of school, face criminal charges and possibly jail, loss of academic standing, etc..... Do the risk assessment. Indeed |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 20, 2009 11:47:32 GMT -5
I do think that alot of the stuff that was listed as happening to her, it's like ok, the reason for that was? Why you got this girl meeting you all in various places around town, by herself, and all you are doing is just assulating her basically? I don't understand that.
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 20, 2009 11:59:12 GMT -5
I do think that alot of the stuff that was listed as happening to her, it's like ok, the reason for that was? Why you got this girl meeting you all in various places around town, by herself, and all you are doing is just assulating her basically? I don't understand that. Very good question......................sounds like they didn't like the girl....wondering if they did all that to make her drop? |
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Post by huey on Apr 20, 2009 12:09:05 GMT -5
What happened to her was foul. But 1. Why did she return THREE SEPARATE TIMES? 2. She waited until she was accepted as a member to spill the beans? In instances like this, I think it's beat up to KNOWINGLY break the rules UNTIL you get what you want, then blow the whistle. I don't understand that. She should face some consequences as well as the others. No, she was pinned and still was bleeding from the trauma. Obviously when taken to the hospital, her mother and staff want to know how she suffered a concussion and contusions in her stomach. We don't know whole story so why pass judgement. Hazing is hazing. She and the hazers should all be held accountable. |
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Post by Bunny Hop on Apr 20, 2009 12:24:25 GMT -5
This is crazy. The members went way over board and should be punished and so should the girl. All this stuff is happening to you but you don't tell anyone until you are pinned?!? I'm sure she knew that she could have been barred from entry for participating had it come out before the pinning ceremony. They all need to be punished.
People will do anything to have some letters.
I'm just so annoyed at people participating in activities they KNOW to be wrong, get pinned and then have a come to Jesus moment. PUHLEASE! It was wrong before you got pinned!!
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 20, 2009 12:27:48 GMT -5
I do think that alot of the stuff that was listed as happening to her, it's like ok, the reason for that was? Why you got this girl meeting you all in various places around town, by herself, and all you are doing is just assulating her basically? I don't understand that. Very good question......................sounds like they didn't like the girl....wondering if they did all that to make her drop? probably but it showed how dumb they are to threaten ol girl in front of her mom. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 20, 2009 12:33:54 GMT -5
<<Devils Advocate....
This is why mofo don't want legacy's. I guessing her mom is a Delta she wasn't initially picked and probably was an add on. If not is she a solo (highly doubt that) or did she have line sisters? Did she step to them go get her right or was it a regular set? If so what the fuck was her Line sisters doing? Who was her back? She needs her ass whupped. If it was that bad then they could've did a line roll switch or something.
The Good
BUT on the other hand... Who is the Dean? Who was the ADP? Who was the Chapter President? Why as a DP would you let mofo squirt vinegar in the eyes of your line? The kicking was bs too. Kicking a woman in the stomach is damn equivalent to kicking a man in the nuts. Like that shouldn't be even considered.
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Post by southernbelle08 on Apr 20, 2009 12:41:06 GMT -5
damnNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Rikkee Lee went to my High School!!!!! She done fucked up.
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Post by Southie on Apr 20, 2009 12:41:17 GMT -5
No matter the organization all the various scenerios, its ridiculous how people still do not get it! You read the internet, you talk to people and yet still fall for the okeedoke!
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 20, 2009 12:49:10 GMT -5
I think she wouldn't have said anything if her mother had not noticed her discomfort.
I know of several cases where the parents got involved after they noticed the chldren were suffering from some physical ailment. How long was she going through this before being pinned?...I wonder. I'm telling you. Pledgees really don't want to their parents involved, but some parents can not be stopped.
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Post by Southie on Apr 20, 2009 12:52:56 GMT -5
I think she wouldn't have said anything if her mother had not noticed her discomfort.
I know of several cases where the parents got involved after they noticed the chldren were suffering from some physical ailment. How long was she going through this before being pinned?...I wonder. I'm telling you. Pledgees really don't want to their parents involved, but some parents can not be stopped. I agree with you. If I ever have a daughter, and she decides to make that move...that is fine. I will reinterate: "please have and display common sense". |
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 20, 2009 12:54:56 GMT -5
No matter the organization all the various scenerios, its ridiculous how people still do not get it! You read the internet, you talk to people and yet still fall for the okeedoke! |
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 20, 2009 12:57:36 GMT -5
I think she wouldn't have said anything if her mother had not noticed her discomfort.
I know of several cases where the parents got involved after they noticed the chldren were suffering from some physical ailment. How long was she going through this before being pinned?...I wonder. I'm telling you. Pledgees really don't want to their parents involved, but some parents can not be stopped. I agree with you. If I ever have a daughter, and she decides to make that move...that is fine. I will reinterate: "please have and display common sense". Southie, from my experience with this same scenerio, no matter what you tell your daughter, she will be affected by her line. Common sense goes right out the door. You will eventually be in there fighting for her life. |
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Post by LogAKAlly <3'n Keef on Apr 20, 2009 13:00:49 GMT -5
No matter the organization all the various scenerios, its ridiculous how people still do not get it! You read the internet, you talk to people and yet still fall for the okeedoke! As well as the thought that they'll get to do it to someone else. That sort of pain has to be released. They can't do it to the Bigs so they transfer it to the next line. |
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Post by Julie Art on Apr 20, 2009 13:05:43 GMT -5
<<Devils Advocate....
This is why mofo don't want legacy's. I guessing her mom is a Delta she wasn't initially picked and probably was an add on. If not is she a solo (highly doubt that) or did she have line sisters? Did she step to them go get her right or was it a regular set? If so what the fuck was her Line sisters doing? Who was her back? She needs her ass whupped. If it was that bad then they could've did a line roll switch or something.
The Good
BUT on the other hand... Who is the Dean? Who was the ADP? Who was the Chapter President? Why as a DP would you let mofo squirt vinegar in the eyes of your line? The kicking was bs too. Kicking a woman in the stomach is damn equivalent to kicking a man in the nuts. Like that shouldn't be even considered. Exactly VP I want to know why she was by herself and where was her line. |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 20, 2009 13:10:04 GMT -5
This is so sad.............
I hope these females that did all those things to that girl went that same bullshit, but I don't believe they did.
But both need to be punished, I pray that girl can have children..................
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Post by Oldskool on Apr 20, 2009 13:17:48 GMT -5
<<Devils Advocate....
This is why mofo don't want legacy's. I guessing her mom is a Delta she wasn't initially picked and probably was an add on. If not is she a solo (highly doubt that) or did she have line sisters? Did she step to them go get her right or was it a regular set? If so what the fuck was her Line sisters doing? Who was her back? She needs her ass whupped. If it was that bad then they could've did a line roll switch or something.
The Good
BUT on the other hand... Who is the Dean? Who was the ADP? Who was the Chapter President? Why as a DP would you let mofo squirt vinegar in the eyes of your line? The kicking was bs too. Kicking a woman in the stomach is damn equivalent to kicking a man in the nuts. Like that shouldn't be even considered. Exactly VP I want to know why she was by herself and where was her line.
Remember the ladies LA, the two remaining LS didn't come forward and confess to being on line with their dead line sisters. No one wants to be found guilty of participating in an illegal process so it's every man for himself. |
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Post by Mrs. Eyes on Apr 20, 2009 13:40:21 GMT -5
<<Devils Advocate....
This is why mofo don't want legacy's. I guessing her mom is a Delta she wasn't initially picked and probably was an add on. If not is she a solo (highly doubt that) or did she have line sisters? Did she step to them go get her right or was it a regular set? If so what the fuck was her Line sisters doing? Who was her back? She needs her ass whupped. If it was that bad then they could've did a line roll switch or something.
The Good
BUT on the other hand... Who is the Dean? Who was the ADP? Who was the Chapter President? Why as a DP would you let mofo squirt vinegar in the eyes of your line? The kicking was bs too. Kicking a woman in the stomach is damn equivalent to kicking a man in the nuts. Like that shouldn't be even considered. Exactly VP I want to know why she was by herself and where was her line. I agree with you all. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 20, 2009 13:41:33 GMT -5
The process is all about sole surviving. Each person is concerned about his/her own safety. You guys talk about loyalty, but with this new process, there is none.
Remember the ladies LA, the two remaining LS didn't come forward and confess to being on line with their dead line sisters. No one wants to be found guilty of participating in an illegal process so it's every man for himself.
sigh... I hear ya but statistically in a logical argument you wouldn't stand a chance. The fact is 90 to 93% of the processes of all BGLO go through without a hitch. Its on a statistical level a success. You can't logically argue against that. Even in a laboratory nothing is perfect but it's near perfect. I applaud the brothers and sisters who have risked everything to keep these traditions alive hoping that one day the process will be back above ground where it belongs and safer. Can't have a Pledgee limping when you know every Tuesday and Thursday your line has to be lined up on the yard getting a once over by the Vice Pres of Student Affairs. We can't make a blanket statement about the entire process because a few fucked up. Lets see how many lines DST has had this year. Lets say for argument's sake 30 lines. You have 1 mishap. Sorry but that is a success. Bean counters do it everyday in business. |
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Post by Cambist on Apr 20, 2009 13:42:28 GMT -5
The problems are several:
1. Times have changed. You can no longer trust a bunch of 19-22 year olds to not do dangerous shyt. We are a culture of sensation seekers. Since Black folks don't ski (on average) this is an outlet for that sensation seeing, thrill ride!
2. Aspirants are the same and they are different all at the same time. Kids are just as likely to "pass the egg" as they were 30 years ago. Despite the fact that that shyt is not only disgusting but probaby more dangerous than taking wood, chapters of many organizations still do it. Young people look at ALL of the people who have joined before them and figure that the process MUST be the same and if they went through it....so can I. So it's no wonder that young people put up with so much bullshit.
3. Members have to learn to take responsibility for their actions. If I rob a grocery store to help feed the homeless and I get caught....I still tried to rob a grocery store regardless of the purpose. And if I believe in that purpose or reason for committing this act then I will proudly stand and admit it along with my guilt.
Not lie and say, "It wasn't me".
Grow the fuck up.
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Post by coldfront06 on Apr 20, 2009 13:45:24 GMT -5
The process is all about sole surviving. Each person is concerned about his/her own safety. You guys talk about loyalty, but with this new process, there is none.
Remember the ladies LA, the two remaining LS didn't come forward and confess to being on line with their dead line sisters. No one wants to be found guilty of participating in an illegal process so it's every man for himself.
sigh... I hear ya but statistically in a logical argument you wouldn't stand a chance. The fact is 90 to 93% of the processes of all BGLO go through without a hitch. Its on a statistical level a success. You can't logically argue against that. Even in a laboratory nothing is perfect but it's near perfect. I applaud the brothers and sisters who have risked everything to keep these traditions alive hoping that one day the process will be back above ground where it belongs and safer. Can't have a Pledgee limping when you know every Tuesday and Thursday your line has to be lined up on the yard getting a once over by the Vice Pres of Student Affairs. We can't make a blanket statement about the entire process because a few fucked up. Lets see how many lines DST has had this year. Lets say for argument's sake 30 lines. You have 1 mishap. Sorry but that is a success. Bean counters do it everyday in business.I agree with what you're saying, but just from a statistical standpoint, we have to ask "How much of a percentage is too much." For example, if the US Postal Service lost 2% of all mail, that would be unacceptable. If you only got 98 out of 100 letters intended for you, that would not be a success, in my opinion. So, is one hazing incident out of 50 or even 100 lines acceptable? I agree that its a small percentage of incidents, but I'm not sure if that percentage is acceptable or not. |
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Post by Vudu_Prince on Apr 20, 2009 13:55:40 GMT -5
sigh... I hear ya but statistically in a logical argument you wouldn't stand a chance. The fact is 90 to 93% of the processes of all BGLO go through without a hitch. Its on a statistical level a success. You can't logically argue against that. Even in a laboratory nothing is perfect but it's near perfect. I applaud the brothers and sisters who have risked everything to keep these traditions alive hoping that one day the process will be back above ground where it belongs and safer. Can't have a Pledgee limping when you know every Tuesday and Thursday your line has to be lined up on the yard getting a once over by the Vice Pres of Student Affairs. We can't make a blanket statement about the entire process because a few fucked up. Lets see how many lines DST has had this year. Lets say for argument's sake 30 lines. You have 1 mishap. Sorry but that is a success. Bean counters do it everyday in business.I agree with what you're saying, but just from a statistical standpoint, we have to ask "How much of a percentage is too much." For example, if the US Postal Service lost 2% of all mail, that would be unacceptable. If you only got 98 out of 100 letters intended for you, that would not be a success, in my opinion. So, is one hazing incident out of 50 or even 100 lines acceptable? I agree that its a small percentage of incidents, but I'm not sure if that percentage is acceptable or not.
US Postal Service for say Baltimore you have a 66% chance of getting your mail on time. Thats deplorable. 1 incident out of 50 is a success. This has been a problem since the beginning but the Pledge Process isn't perfect. It never has been and never will be. That should be taught and understood from day one. But if you have 50 lines and for your argument sake 40 of them get it right... 10 of them don't do you destroy the process? 90% effective.
Let me straw man you for a second if I may.
Lets say you have a AIDS med it cures 40 people but 10 it did nothing for and also had harmful side affects.. Would you scrap the med or seek a way to perfect it?
A teacher gives a test 90% of the class passed 10% failed would he/she scrap the testing method or study the afflicted and perfect it?
Lets use logic here and not get caught up in emotion. Right now today the pledge process is needed more than ever. I had a very stern upbringing so my process to me was nothing more than a microcosm of what I received from my parents. Some of these children don't have that. The BGLO is in a position to provide that on a small scale and I feel it should be given to them. |
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Post by T-Rex91 on Apr 20, 2009 13:59:52 GMT -5
Feels sorry that young ladies feel like being in a sorority (mine in this case DAMMIT) is worth loss of self esteem and in this case bodily harm. That's not what we stand for.
DAMMIT, DAMMIT, DAMMIT.........................
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