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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 15, 2008 10:53:40 GMT -5
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Post by Blu on Dec 15, 2008 11:08:21 GMT -5
what i have noticed however though, and this is just me, most ppl in a grad chapters, even it they do go thru the plus, dont really go around proclaiming they were made or they pledged hard like undergrads do.. 
ExaltInteresting. My grad chapter is made up mostly of Frat that came through undergrad during the 80's/90's. I've never heard discussion about how hard they pledged. I've heard as much discussion about process from younger graduate members that didn't get a chance to go undergrad as current undergrad members. That's just my experience though. |
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Post by huey on Dec 15, 2008 11:16:43 GMT -5
negative... however, as it's said: "undergraduate chapters are the heart of the organization and the graduate chapters are the head." imho, graduate chapters should be (due to resources, expertise, and diversity of the membership), carrying out programming on the next level compared to collegiate chapters simply due to logistics. grad members should have no time, at least in my organization which is rooted in service, to be tip-dogging themselves... and, point blank, a lot of the culture around MIP+ is just that. I beleive this to a certain extent. I mean really in undergrad, you do SOME community service, but mostly parties and some fundraising.. throw in some stepshows.. when you get to grad though, its all about the business.. community service, fundraising balls & galas so you can give out your scholarships or charitable donations etc. Parties, stephows, road trips.. not so much. We all have different experiences but mine is undergrads do more than grads. Well, let me correct, undergrad chapters of fraternities seem to do more than grad chapters of frats. The undergrad chapters that i have contact with(both frat and sororities) don't be throwing parties like that. They GOTO parties, but rarely throw em. |
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Post by Blu on Dec 15, 2008 11:22:23 GMT -5
I beleive this to a certain extent. I mean really in undergrad, you do SOME community service, but mostly parties and some fundraising.. throw in some stepshows.. when you get to grad though, its all about the business.. community service, fundraising balls & galas so you can give out your scholarships or charitable donations etc. Parties, stephows, road trips.. not so much. We all have different experiences but mine is undergrads do more than grads. Well, let me correct, undergrad chapters of fraternities seem to do more than grad chapters of frats. The undergrad chapters that i have contact with(both frat and sororities) don't be throwing parties like that. They GOTO parties, but rarely throw em. That was my experience too. It took me awhile to find a Grad Chapter that was as active as my undergrad was. Alot of the grad chapters around my way financed alot of events, but barely got out there and connected with physical service. |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:25:14 GMT -5
Interesting. My grad chapter is made up mostly of Frat that came through undergrad during the 80's/90's. I've never heard discussion about how hard they pledged. I've heard as much discussion about process from younger graduate members that didn't get a chance to go undergrad as current undergrad members. That's just my experience though. no, most old schoolers dont do that much talking either.. only unless one of us newbies saying crazy shit, then they step up like yawl aint done shit..lol |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:26:42 GMT -5
I beleive this to a certain extent. I mean really in undergrad, you do SOME community service, but mostly parties and some fundraising.. throw in some stepshows.. when you get to grad though, its all about the business.. community service, fundraising balls & galas so you can give out your scholarships or charitable donations etc. Parties, stephows, road trips.. not so much. We all have different experiences but mine is undergrads do more than grads. Well, let me correct, undergrad chapters of fraternities seem to do more than grad chapters of frats. The undergrad chapters that i have contact with(both frat and sororities) don't be throwing parties like that. They GOTO parties, but rarely throw em. huey, just asking, are you in a grad chapter right now? |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:28:57 GMT -5
We all have different experiences but mine is undergrads do more than grads. Well, let me correct, undergrad chapters of fraternities seem to do more than grad chapters of frats. The undergrad chapters that i have contact with(both frat and sororities) don't be throwing parties like that. They GOTO parties, but rarely throw em. That was my experience too. It took me awhile to find a Grad Chapter that was as active as my undergrad was. Alot of the grad chapters around my way financed alot of events, but barely got out there and connected with physical service. thats an aspect of it.. most udergrad chapter dont have the money to give so they have to do the physical... I agree some grads could do more, but hell, most of the people you try to do for prefer money anyway *shrugs* |
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Post by Blu on Dec 15, 2008 11:31:31 GMT -5
Interesting. My grad chapter is made up mostly of Frat that came through undergrad during the 80's/90's. I've never heard discussion about how hard they pledged. I've heard as much discussion about process from younger graduate members that didn't get a chance to go undergrad as current undergrad members. That's just my experience though. no, most old schoolers dont do that much talking either.. only unless one of us newbies saying crazy shit, then they step up like yawl aint done shit..lol True lol Luckily I've never had the loose tongue problem. Somethings are better left unspoken to the masses... |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:36:36 GMT -5
they be like i treked thru the snow on my hands and need with my ankles chained up and a a tire on my back while i had to dead rat in my mouth and they was making us sing the national anthem chopped and screwed...
ok maybe not but you know what i mean..
LOL
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Post by huey on Dec 15, 2008 11:37:26 GMT -5
We all have different experiences but mine is undergrads do more than grads. Well, let me correct, undergrad chapters of fraternities seem to do more than grad chapters of frats. The undergrad chapters that i have contact with(both frat and sororities) don't be throwing parties like that. They GOTO parties, but rarely throw em. huey, just asking, are you in a grad chapter right now? Yeah, i am and i'm close to our undergrad chapters. So i can compare how much they do vs how much we do.They do way more in one semester than we do in a fraternal year. |
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Post by Blu on Dec 15, 2008 11:38:55 GMT -5
they be like i treked thru the snow on my hands and need with my ankles chained up and a a tire on my back while i had to dead rat in my mouth and they was making us sing the national anthem chopped and screwed... ok maybe not but you know what i mean.. LOL I actually had old Frat tell me about bullets flying past them as they ran through the woods LOL. Sounding like runaway slave type shyt..... |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:39:29 GMT -5
ok. Yah i use to be very close to my undergrad chap(s).. not so much anymore but i still keep them in mind in what we do because i crossed undergrad and i know how hard it was to do anything
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Post by huey on Dec 15, 2008 11:40:19 GMT -5
ok. Yah i use to be very close to my undergrad chap(s).. not so much anymore Well im still young, you old fart. |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:41:16 GMT -5
damn.. like that.. i aint that old, i crossed in 02.. i was 25 though  |
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Post by Iceman on Dec 15, 2008 11:41:56 GMT -5
they be like i treked thru the snow on my hands and need with my ankles chained up and a a tire on my back while i had to dead rat in my mouth and they was making us sing the national anthem chopped and screwed... ok maybe not but you know what i mean.. LOL I actually had old Frat tell me about bullets flying past them as they ran through the woods LOL. Sounding like runaway slave type shyt..... Ok - Hold Up: "Shots Fired" - "Time out Dean Big Brother - Um, I don't think this is for me - Ya'll trying to KILL A NICCA - I Quit" LOL! |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 11:42:12 GMT -5
they be like i treked thru the snow on my hands and need with my ankles chained up and a a tire on my back while i had to dead rat in my mouth and they was making us sing the national anthem chopped and screwed... ok maybe not but you know what i mean.. LOL I actually had old Frat tell me about bullets flying past them as they ran through the woods LOL. Sounding like runaway slave type shyt..... lmao.. man, i love some of their stories.. you be like shut up, you lying...lol |
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Post by Robelite on Dec 16, 2008 13:32:28 GMT -5
Cam and Fatal... we are right>>>>>>>>here<<<<<<<<<! As some of my chapter brothers would tell you (after they laugh at you,) "do it if you want, but you STILL gotta get up off your ass and do some WORK!" Just sayin'.  |
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Post by huey on Dec 16, 2008 14:49:24 GMT -5
what i have noticed however though, and this is just me, most ppl in a grad chapters, even it they do go thru the plus, dont really go around proclaiming they were made or they pledged hard like undergrads do..
ExaltHmm my experience is that people who went Grad but got "bizzy" usually don't rep their grad chapter but the UG chapter they got bizzy with. As far as they are concerned they are Alpha Beta Chapter not New York Alumni. |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 17, 2008 9:28:00 GMT -5
Cam and Fatal... we are right>>>>>>>>here<<<<<<<<<! oh lawd.. does this mean im getting old..... ;D |
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Post by Boomerang08 on Dec 17, 2008 14:28:12 GMT -5
There are SO MANY things that divide us within our own orgs internally, it just gets tedious after a while, at least it does IMO.
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Post by Robelite on Dec 19, 2008 10:41:06 GMT -5
Cam and Fatal... we are right>>>>>>>>here<<<<<<<<<! oh lawd.. does this mean im getting old..... ;D |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 19, 2008 11:30:46 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 22, 2008 19:03:25 GMT -5
Hmm my experience is that people who went Grad but got "bizzy" usually don't rep their grad chapter but the UG chapter they got bizzy with. As far as they are concerned they are Alpha Beta Chapter not New York Alumni. ...which pisses me off for so many reasons to call to mind a story I told before... there was a woman who (somehow, someway) managed to visit my LSs and I once during our process without being fully vetted. She eventually post pledged (like 2 years after I crossed). Now she reps Chi Beta chapter with a new season, new number and everything. She even probated again. So...that's why I referred to her as a "woman" above as opposed to a big sister/prophyte of mine. She threw her prophyte status away. IMO, if how you came in is unsatisfactory, there are certain options. When/where you came in should not be negotiable. So you had a rigorous process? Good for you. You still a grad member who got down. At some point, it's no better than perping. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 22, 2008 19:09:38 GMT -5
I can't get behind this. I did EXPONENTIALLY more work as an undergrad than I do now. My UG chapter did more literal, actual legwork as well. As a grad, we have bigger scale functions, we have the resources to help more people, etc. but there's much more "playing" in grad than in UG in my experience
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Post by Comedy on Dec 23, 2008 8:23:59 GMT -5
Hmm my experience is that people who went Grad but got "bizzy" usually don't rep their grad chapter but the UG chapter they got bizzy with. As far as they are concerned they are Alpha Beta Chapter not New York Alumni. ...which pisses me off for so many reasons to call to mind a story I told before... there was a woman who (somehow, someway) managed to visit my LSs and I once during our process without being fully vetted. She eventually post pledged (like 2 years after I crossed). Now she reps Chi Beta chapter with a new season, new number and everything. She even probated again. So...that's why I referred to her as a "woman" above as opposed to a big sister/prophyte of mine. She threw her prophyte status away. IMO, if how you came in is unsatisfactory, there are certain options. When/where you came in should not be negotiable. So you had a rigorous process? Good for you. You still a grad member who got down. At some point, it's no better than perping. This is no such thing as post pledging, tell her she's still a skater in every sense of the word. |
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Post by Cambist on Dec 23, 2008 10:05:52 GMT -5
If you "post pledge" you have a self esteem issue. If you are a grad initiate and are post pledged with undergrads you have serious self esteem issues.
I'm not saying that you are stupid because I know that social pressures can be strong and no one is immuned. But if you participate in this type of activity....you have issues that no process is going to solve. Moreover, by participating in this activity, you are NOT lending any more credibility to your status of being "real" or "made".
Grow up.
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 23, 2008 12:07:54 GMT -5
^^ easier said than done...
for some...
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Post by No Screen Name on Dec 23, 2008 12:34:05 GMT -5
I don't know if I agree, Cam. I can't say it's always "low self-esteem" that leads a person to post-pledge. Some people feel that by not post-pledging or going through some sort of "extra", they are missing out on certain aspects of their membership. There is certain information that hey will not be privvy to, and some members feel that if you didn't "get down", they will not bother to share certain things with you.
To an extent, I can understand. Who wants "Membership Lite"?
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Post by Cambist on Dec 23, 2008 12:57:58 GMT -5
Ok, let me qualify my answer. I still think post-pledging is asinine but that's just my thoughts.
I do understand a 25 year old who wasn't able to join in college doing something like this. A grown assed man/woman though? A 30 year old man deciding that he wants to post pledge is a self esteem issue. They don't have enough confidence in who they are to stand on their own.
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Post by huey on Dec 23, 2008 13:03:51 GMT -5
Ok, let me qualify my answer. I still think post-pledging is asinine but that's just my thoughts. I do understand a 25 year old who wasn't able to join in college doing something like this. A grown assed man/woman though? A 30 year old man deciding that he wants to post pledge is a self esteem issue. They don't have enough confidence in who they are to stand on their own. Oh okay, i can agree with that. |
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