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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 8, 2008 18:45:57 GMT -5
Many of us are grad members. Many of us were initated that way. Do you think there's any benefit at all to having an MIP-plus process in grad chapters? Is it more of a liability than in undergrad? Does it serve to further divide the organization/chapter? Is it more hassle than it's worth?
I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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Post by Southie on Dec 8, 2008 18:52:14 GMT -5
Well. Some individuals that come through a graduate chapter actually have a MIP + process. It depends on the individuals in that chapter, especially if they are a large number of "seasoned" members.
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 8, 2008 19:04:41 GMT -5
Oftentimes, those people who do a MIP+ kinda thing do so along with a select group of chapter members, but leaving the majority of the body in the dark. Is this acceptable in a group that's supposed to be cohesive? Is the level of cohesion expected in a grad chapter the same as that expected in a collegiate chapter? Why or why not?
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Post by Southie on Dec 8, 2008 19:34:24 GMT -5
Not necessarily. In some instances that has already decided on how they want to coordinate any "additional" aspects of the process. Now of course, they are those orgs or chapters that take part in activities, that was not agreed upon by the committee. Should cohesiveness exist at the Grad level? Of course, why not?
Getting back to the orgininal question, in a Grad chapter doing a MIP only process would benefit greatly if they added a few things. Liability? That would depend on the type of activities...In the end, I think that would quiet down this notion of made versus not made argument.
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Post by frozenmenace on Dec 8, 2008 22:54:52 GMT -5
I would venture to say that it is EASIER to have an MIP + Extra process in a grad chapter than in an Undergrad chapter. A grad chapter doesn't have an advisor watching us. We also don't have to worry about things leaking out to school administration. We also don't have to worry about pledges calling home and telling their parents, and then their parents contacting National.
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 8, 2008 23:03:56 GMT -5
what other aspects "change" when MIP+ is conducted on a graduate level? Especially in mixed chapters where not all members are aware of/participate in the "plus" aspect of it all?
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Post by frozenmenace on Dec 8, 2008 23:06:56 GMT -5
what other aspects "change" when MIP+ is conducted on a graduate level? Especially in mixed chapters where not all members are aware of/participate in the "plus" aspect of it all? Well, not all members are going to know because in a grad chapter you have a wide variety of ages and attitudes. In most cases, it will only be a small core of the members who will be involved in the process. I don't think it is necessary for every member of the chapter to be involved. |
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Post by Southie on Dec 9, 2008 8:47:20 GMT -5
what other aspects "change" when MIP+ is conducted on a graduate level? Especially in mixed chapters where not all members are aware of/participate in the "plus" aspect of it all? Well, not all members are going to know because in a grad chapter you have a wide variety of ages and attitudes. In most cases, it will only be a small core of the members who will be involved in the process. I don't think it is necessary for every member of the chapter to be involved. I am most definately aware of chapters that are aware in fact agreed on the "plus" factor and all agreed to take part in that process. Now, getting back is it a benefit, I would definately agree. I've would go as far as it should be "above ground"in grad. |
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Post by frozenmenace on Dec 9, 2008 11:06:36 GMT -5
Well, not all members are going to know because in a grad chapter you have a wide variety of ages and attitudes. In most cases, it will only be a small core of the members who will be involved in the process. I don't think it is necessary for every member of the chapter to be involved. I am most definately aware of chapters that are aware in fact agreed on the "plus" factor and all agreed to take part in that process. Now, getting back is it a benefit, I would definately agree. I've would go as far as it should be "above ground"in grad. Cool. I think it depends on the size of the chapter and the mentality of the members. If you know there are members in the chapter who may be against the "extra", then you might not let them know about it. |
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Post by No Screen Name on Dec 9, 2008 11:51:46 GMT -5
I think MIP+ should be an option, depending on the makeup of the chapter. Like HOA said, everybody's not going to go for the "extra"--that 64-year-old grandmother who is coming in probably won't be interested. ;D
I can also agree with Southie about having the process be above ground in grad. In fact, I kind of think the process for grad should be longer and tweaked a little differently.
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 9, 2008 13:24:18 GMT -5
I would venture to say that it is EASIER to have an MIP + Extra process in a grad chapter than in an Undergrad chapter. A grad chapter doesn't have an advisor watching us. We also don't have to worry about things leaking out to school administration. We also don't have to worry about pledges calling home and telling their parents, and then their parents contacting National. I agree |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 9, 2008 13:25:03 GMT -5
what other aspects "change" when MIP+ is conducted on a graduate level? Especially in mixed chapters where not all members are aware of/participate in the "plus" aspect of it all? Well, not all members are going to know because in a grad chapter you have a wide variety of ages and attitudes. In most cases, it will only be a small core of the members who will be involved in the process. I don't think it is necessary for every member of the chapter to be involved. I agree with this as well... and this is all based on my personal experience |
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Post by Southie on Dec 9, 2008 13:28:33 GMT -5
Got real proof that all agreed and all were aware. (including the old foggies) LOL
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 9, 2008 13:30:04 GMT -5
what other aspects "change" when MIP+ is conducted on a graduate level? Especially in mixed chapters where not all members are aware of/participate in the "plus" aspect of it all? Of course the ones that participate in the "plus" have a different bond with each other than they do with the ones who didnt.. they also have a different relationship with the ones who conducted the "plus" than they do with the rest of the chapter sorors... |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 9, 2008 13:31:41 GMT -5
Got real proof that all agreed and all were aware. (including the old foggies) LOL I wish.. split lines are the norm down here |
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 11, 2008 15:44:47 GMT -5
{~~ hates split chapters
{~~ hates split lines more
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Post by Cambist on Dec 12, 2008 8:04:57 GMT -5
I look at grad initiates who WANT to participate in the Plus as a potential liability. They wont necessarily be a liability to the grad chapter but to the fraternity itself.
Several of the grad initiates who I KNOW have come through WITH undergrad chapters tend to be a bit less prudent in their thinking and discretion. They are usually Yahoos who are looking to relive some missed college experience. Often times, you can see them hanging with the UG's doing juvenile shyt and not acting the part of an adult.
Respect is earned....not given. Trust me, it doesn't matter how you came into Alpha...if you came through a grad chapter, you are already suspect to some brothers (both UG and G) The only way to get past that is to do you....work hard and add value. I've never really had problem with anyone trying to pull my card on my process. And when I do, I will set them straight....like I always do.
Underground if you want. If it makes you feel better.
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 12, 2008 8:51:12 GMT -5
{~~ ship Cam a t-shirt I saw on FB that says "DON'T LET THE LAMBDA FOOL YOU"
...wack ninjas
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 12, 2008 9:08:17 GMT -5
in ref to Cams response.. I do however believe even if you did go thru and additional process as a grad, you are still NOT and undergrad. If you didn’t do it then, then you are out of luck, you will NEVER know that so don’t try to relive anything . Just suck it up, move and, and get ready for the business at hand.
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Post by Cambist on Dec 12, 2008 13:25:02 GMT -5
My point exactly.
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Post by tremab on Dec 14, 2008 10:17:09 GMT -5
split chapters = so much for brotherhood
grad brothers SHOULD have assets that they wouldn't want to risk just so some bamma can proclaim to the world how "made" he is...
grad chapters should be, as far as I am concerned, about doing the business of the organization, not about the glory...
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Post by huey on Dec 14, 2008 20:08:33 GMT -5
split chapters = so much for brotherhood grad brothers SHOULD have assets that they wouldn't want to risk just so some bamma can proclaim to the world how "made" he is... grad chapters should be, as far as I am concerned, about doing the business of the organization, not about the glory... So grad chapters have different objectives than collegiate chapters? |
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Post by tremab on Dec 14, 2008 21:34:24 GMT -5
negative...
however, as it's said:
"undergraduate chapters are the heart of the organization and the graduate chapters are the head."
imho, graduate chapters should be (due to resources, expertise, and diversity of the membership), carrying out programming on the next level compared to collegiate chapters simply due to logistics.
grad members should have no time, at least in my organization which is rooted in service, to be tip-dogging themselves...
and, point blank, a lot of the culture around MIP+ is just that.
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Post by No Screen Name on Dec 14, 2008 22:23:09 GMT -5
Heyell, I want some "glory" too.  I understand I'm not an undergrad, and missed the boat as far as that goes--but I don't want to be "all work and no play" either. |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 14, 2008 22:40:23 GMT -5
So If you came through grad and you had an underground process, you're a potential liability, trying to relive some underground experience, you should have different objectives, and/or you are having the process to just feel better?
Okay... will it offend anyone if I put a big ol "N/A" on this topic when it comes to Omega? (NOTE: I don't actually care if you're offended or not I'm actually just being sarcastic for my own entertainment)
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Post by No Screen Name on Dec 14, 2008 22:48:19 GMT -5
Also, I want to point out one thing: in a grad situation where you are given an option whether or not to do the "plus"--will this REALLY "split" the chapter? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the people who opt NOT to go through the "plus" really probably don't care if they miss out on whatever perks the "plus" will bring.
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Post by LejaOMG on Dec 14, 2008 23:33:01 GMT -5
shout out to my phrase (MIP+) getting mad burn, kid
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Post by DamieQue™ on Dec 14, 2008 23:46:00 GMT -5
<-o- came up with MIP+
<-o- had it stolen from Leja
<-o- says there will be consequences and repercussions
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 10:26:45 GMT -5
split chapters = so much for brotherhood grad brothers SHOULD have assets that they wouldn't want to risk just so some bamma can proclaim to the world how "made" he is...grad chapters should be, as far as I am concerned, about doing the business of the organization, not about the glory... what i have noticed however though, and this is just me, most ppl in a grad chapters, even it they do go thru the plus, dont really go around proclaiming they were made or they pledged hard like undergrads do.. they would have to most likely be in a convo with someone they were very comfortable with.. also, because many have already waited to get in, didnt do in college for one reason or another, and dont want to mess chances up get letters snatched by running their mouths... |
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Post by FatalDST on Dec 15, 2008 10:31:56 GMT -5
negative... however, as it's said: "undergraduate chapters are the heart of the organization and the graduate chapters are the head." imho, graduate chapters should be (due to resources, expertise, and diversity of the membership), carrying out programming on the next level compared to collegiate chapters simply due to logistics. grad members should have no time, at least in my organization which is rooted in service, to be tip-dogging themselves... and, point blank, a lot of the culture around MIP+ is just that. I beleive this to a certain extent. I mean really in undergrad, you do SOME community service, but mostly parties and some fundraising.. throw in some stepshows.. when you get to grad though, its all about the business.. community service, fundraising balls & galas so you can give out your scholarships or charitable donations etc. Parties, stephows, road trips.. not so much. |
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I understand I'm not an undergrad, and missed the boat as far as that goes--but I don't want to be "all work and no play" either.
