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Post by CrimsonENDvy on Mar 4, 2008 13:50:30 GMT -5
And you still haven't written on the point that I was trying to make Nupey  People make decisions all the time based on points that shouldn't matter. All I'm trying to say is we shouldn't make judgments against black candidates based on things "other races" have deemed electable qualities. Whether someone has a TCB perm shouldn't even be in the discussion. My pastor is actually pretty damned smart, I don't know about yours. I would elect him any day. Anything else? |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 4, 2008 13:56:15 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm assuming, for the sake of argument you would give someone a job over a fortune 500 company that has a Perm and talks like Sharpton? Presentation is EVERYTHING
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Post by Champs Elysees on Mar 4, 2008 13:58:21 GMT -5
^^ This is from someone who voted for Bush . . .
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on Mar 4, 2008 13:59:13 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm assuming, for the sake of argument you would give someone a job over a fortune 500 company that has a Perm and talks like Sharpton? Presentation is EVERYTHING Okay Nupey. |
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Post by MochaD on Mar 4, 2008 13:59:33 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm assuming, for the sake of argument you would give someone a job over a fortune 500 company that has a Perm and talks like Sharpton? Presentation is EVERYTHING Hate to burst your bubble Nupey but "Presentation is NOT EVERYTHING." It helps, but it ain't everything. You can ALWAYS look the part but if you don't have ish to back it up you might as well have come in looking crazy because that's exactly how folks gonna look at you when you are clueless, don't care how good you look or speak  |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 4, 2008 14:00:07 GMT -5
No..actually I didnt leave myself open. I voted for Bush and what? I didnt like Kerry, and I did like his views on different topics. I dont have to defend why I voted for bush, just like you dont have to defend voting for whoever you voted for. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Mar 4, 2008 14:01:04 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm assuming, for the sake of argument you would give someone a job over a fortune 500 company that has a Perm and talks like Sharpton? Presentation is EVERYTHING
We want people to vote based on logical reasons, but that DOES NOT happen.
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Post by akbarjones on Mar 4, 2008 14:01:58 GMT -5
Hillary would have to win every primary from here on out by 70% to get the delegate lead. It's not going to happen.
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on Mar 4, 2008 14:03:06 GMT -5
Ok, so I'm assuming, for the sake of argument you would give someone a job over a fortune 500 company that has a Perm and talks like Sharpton? Presentation is EVERYTHING Hate to burst your bubble Nupey but "Presentation is NOT EVERYTHING." It helps, but it ain't everything. You can ALWAYS look the part but if you don't have ish to back it up you might as well have come in looking crazy because that's exactly how folks gonna look at you when you are clueless, don't care how good you look or speak I just didn't feel like wasting my keystrokes anymore. Thank you. *exalt* |
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Post by Lighthouse on Mar 4, 2008 14:09:50 GMT -5
I would like Hillary to drop out of the race solely because I don't want the Superdelegates to decide the nomination. However, I think far too many of us are so passionate about Obama's campaign that we are making him a martyr and villifying Hillary. She up to this point, has really not done anything that has not happened in past elections or Democratic primaries for that matter. While I support Obama and his campaign, I think many of us need to realize that Hillary is campaigning hard. They have both taken shots at each other, however people are taking more of an issue with hers. I don't think it's fair but honestly, what is in politics?
Additionally, to go as far and say that if Hillary wins it's not what the people want, is not true at this point. If she wins Ohio and Texas, can we still cry she's not the people's choice? I think not. I think we need to remember just because we support Barack Obama wholeheartedly doesn't mean that all Democrats or Blacks even, feel the same.
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Post by Champs Elysees on Mar 4, 2008 14:29:56 GMT -5
How do you know this? I beg to differ, ALOT of AA say that Clinton (including yourself in previous post) was the FIRST Black president. That implys that AA's support them because they THINK (blindly) that Clinton did a lot for AA's.
Fast forward to 2007, Obama was the underdog. I said myself that he didn't have a snowball's chance against the Clinton machine. I still supported him because of his stance on the issues. MANY other blacks felt the same way until . . . he won in Iowa. We saw that WHITES would vote for him (at least in the primaries) and they responded in S. Carolina and now he's winning the 90% black vote. Hillary has pretty much given up on us because she knows that Obama is our man. Ask most black people about Obama's stance on anything and see what answer you get . . .
Look at the number of Superdelegates Obama has GAINED and Hillary has lost. Why do you think she is losing Super dels and he's gaining them??? Even Democratic party big shots see that Obama is hot and they want to to be behind a winner. They are virtually the same as far as issues. The blacks who are staying with Hillary are real supporters of her stance on issues.
Pleeeeeeeease show me where I said that Bill was the first Black president. Prettty Pleeeease! |
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Post by Cambist on Mar 4, 2008 14:30:41 GMT -5
In the same vein though, Damie, Hillary has no reason to drop out unless she loses big in either Texas or Ohio or both. She is still a viable candidate.
Her health care plan will not cut it. Too liberal. Too many demands. Too socialistic.
She wont be able to get the troops out of Iraq. No one will.
Obama skated into the Senate because his opponent was a freak. I mean...i'm just saying.
I am firmly behind Obama for several reasons. I just want to know that he doesn't fold when shit gets hot. And y'all know that it hasn't been hot yet. Hillary is just starting the Clinton machine on him and it's going to get really nasty if todays election turns out to be a statistical tie.
Look, McCain cannot hurt Obama. He's a limp Dick with no Viagra. He's old and uninspiring. His only redeaming quality is that he has always been about his word. Well, he's backing away from that now on issues that have made him the Maverick he's known for being. Plus, i'm just waiting for him to blow up on the campaign trail.
Hillary, in my opinion, can beat McCain until he gets a good, young, conservative strong running mate. This guy is going to be charismatic and good looking. He's going to be the white folks Obama and he will probably be an evangelical...to balance out McCain.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 4, 2008 14:34:08 GMT -5
The consensus thus far from most experts is that she needs landslide wins that are likely not going to happen to even put her in contention. If she fights all the way to the Convention floor and eventually loses - the Obama that's left standing won't be much stronger and more resilient, he will be battered and bruised and THEN have to face the Republican onslaught except this time with a disenchanted Democratic base and a Republican base that's had time to rally around John McCain.
I wonder what you all will say of Hillary's nobility then.
To me this is no different than Nader. Like Hillary he absolutely has the right to run. Like Hillary, he can only HURT Obama's chances. If Obama was trailing Hillary right now and didn't have a good prospect of winning excpet to divide the party and rely on Super Delegates I'd be saying to him that it was time for HIM to back out.
I guess I just don't understand what you all are seeing compared to what I am. I'm probably missing some important aspects.
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Post by Lighthouse on Mar 4, 2008 14:36:11 GMT -5
I just want to know that he doesn't fold when shit gets hot. He's a limp Dick with no Viagra. <--has never heard or read Cami speaking like this....intriqued. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Mar 4, 2008 14:39:20 GMT -5
I'm just excited for tonight!
I do know that on the TJMS that they said the machines in one Ohio county had no paper at 7:40 AM! Hmmmmm . . . strange.
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Post by Cambist on Mar 4, 2008 14:46:41 GMT -5
@ Damie
What i'm saying is that as long as Hillary CAN win the nomination she should stay in the race. Obama doesn't need his opponent to bow out because she MIGHT lose. Frankly, I think Obama takes Texas, Vermont and Ties in Ohio (who cares about RI) and she is forced to make the tough decision tonight. BUT IF IT TURNS OUT DIFFERENTLY... and she win Texas, ties Ohio and wins RI or VT then she MUST stay in the race.
Romney was getting slaughtered by McCain. He didn't have any more gas in the tank. So he had to get out.
Tonight will tell the tale for Clinton.
**NOTICE: Just notice how shook Obama looked when the land deal was brought up or the lack of Senate oversite hearings on Afganistan were mentioned...or the big dog daddy....his appearant wink and nod to Canada about his NAFTA rhetoric.
There's only one way to make a swords blade strong.
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on Mar 4, 2008 14:56:08 GMT -5
^^EXACTLY!
That's what I'm saying. I'm for Obama all the way. But Hillary is DEFINITELY not the anti- like people are making her out to be. I don't want her to divide loyalties either though.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 4, 2008 15:02:28 GMT -5
As long as Obama doesn't reach 2025 Hillary can theoretically win. I think the bar you raise is far too high and one that allows WHOEVER is the front runner to take fire from both sides.
Fighting off smear campaigns is NOT vetting. You have not validated your candidates worthiness based on his ability to withstand a baseless swift-boating. If he gets flack on the issues so be it. But that is NOT the red meat that they're tossing around right now.
If Hillary should stay in it as long as she can win, tonight is not a tell tale or make or break. She can keep him from getting to 2025 (or whatever the number is) and thus she can still win. There is NO analysis by which you can suggest she should stop if all that she needs to continue is a chance to win - however remote. If she can broker a deal she should stay in it, because she can still win it. I disagree.
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Post by konfucius1911 on Mar 4, 2008 15:12:03 GMT -5
...but Bush was the guy you could drink Beers with. Now WHY you have to go and bring up his ALCOHOLISM, Damie ? lol As for CrimsonENDvy's initial statements: It seems that you might have been interpolating your OWN opinions while reading my posting, because you were clearly off-the-mark in your supposition .
My statements [with limited exceptions] regarding JESSE JACKSON and AL SHARPTON had/has NOTHING to do with them being BLACK; but rather HOW THEY ARE PERCEIVED by the nation [Black, White, Latin, Asian, ...et al].
And as for APPEARANCES, SPEECH PATTERNS, and PUBLIC IMAGE: these are VERY much integral factors in election-process. You can't go around looking like a "Hair-care Horror" and expect the general US Populace to take you serious; not to mention foreign HEADS OF STATE.
And I re-state: "NO ONE [Black or White] wants to be addressed from the WHITE HOUSE in a STATE OF THE UNION-Address that sounds like a Sunday Morning Sermon".
The appeal with BARACK is that he neither speaks like [or for] a BLACK person, or like a WHITE-person. He simply SPEAKS WELL. Point Blank.
And this form of thought is what's wrong with our black society.
NO. The fact that you believe in such a mythical-thing as a "BLACK SOCIETY" is truly the root of your mis-conceptions. Being BLACK or WHITE [etc] is not a prerequisite for an INTELLECTUAL thought and/or ANALYSIS.
Perhaps in another posting I will discuss the recent polls in COUNCIL of ARAB EMIRATES regarding the perception of OBAMA.
NOTE: I said "Arabs", not "Muslim". They are NOT synonymous. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Mar 4, 2008 15:14:40 GMT -5
Post it, Kon. I want to see it. I hear that people the world over are pretty fond of Barack Luther King!
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on Mar 4, 2008 15:20:50 GMT -5
Okay so basically you're saying there's no such thing as a black society. Okay. And a "hair care horror" is not to be taken seriously in this country? Okay.
I did NOT say that your comments had to do with them being black. I was saying you shouldn't incorporate (nor should anyone) physical appearance into why a person should be elected. OF COURSE it happens, but it shouldn't.
PS: your post was quite hard to read. Please know the context of the words you are using.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 4, 2008 15:20:52 GMT -5
Ah screw how Obama's perceived. Hillary is a fighter. That's all that matters.
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Post by Nupey on Mar 4, 2008 15:23:53 GMT -5
Okay so basically you're saying there's no such thing as a black society. Okay. And a "hair care horror" is not to be taken seriously in this country? Okay. I did NOT say that your comments had to do with them being black. I was saying you shouldn't incorporate (nor should anyone) physical appearance into why a person should be elected. OF COURSE it happens, but it shouldn't.PS: your post was quite hard to read. Please know the context of the words you are using.
The same with Al Sharpton, he seems to be nothing more than a bag of HOT GAS. He has NO political power, experience and hasn't made ONE VOTE towards any senatorial legislation. Plus look at him. He's Fat, Slick hair, and sounds like he needs to repeat the 9th grade.... |
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Post by konfucius1911 on Mar 4, 2008 15:52:35 GMT -5
Okay so basically you're saying there's no such thing as a black society. PS: your post was quite hard to read. Please know the context of the words you are using. NO. I am not "basically saying there's no such thing as a black society". I clearly STATED there is no such mythical-beast. Societies are NOT color-based; nor do mere CULTURAL-aspects define a "society". It is rather the THOUGHT of the people. CRiMSON, get real !! I am fluent in three non-related world-languages; including ARABIC and FRENCH [not to mention, literarily competent in 3 others]. So, I am MORE than cognizant of the context of the words I provided. Can't help you there. 9th-graders to geriatrics all comprehended the discussion. It can't be dummy-ed down any more than it was. If YOU didn't comprehend, then maybe YOU should've asked for clarification; instead of such an ineffectual [and MOOT] statement. Take the time to consult respected Historians and Anthropologists for a clarification between the differences between SOCIETY, CULTURE, and CIVILIZATION. Indeed, they ARE closely related, but by no means SYNONYMOUS. Furthermore, RACE is a social-construct; not a scientific reality. Being BLACK [by appearance] does NOT automatically qualify as a met pre-requisite for understanding the "Black Experience" in the USA, Nigeria, or EGYPT. And, "YES" there is a remarkable difference |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 4, 2008 15:57:37 GMT -5
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! (in Rick Flair voice)
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Post by konfucius1911 on Mar 4, 2008 16:08:21 GMT -5
Ah screw how Obama's perceived. Hillary is a fighter. That's all that matters. Actually, that is NOT all that matters. During an international conflict [similar the quagmire created by that "Son of a BUSH" in the White House], women ARE NOT universally respected by foreign HEADS of STATE; especially in NORTH AFRICA [from Morocco] to the far EAST [Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc]. Many seem to FORGET that this is not a mere DOMESTIC position. As a Muslim [rather in Europe, W. Afriqa, Oman, and the USA], I can assure you the opinion of a FEMALE "Head of State" is NOT taken seriously. Tired of typing, but consider the fate of Benazir Bhutto. ... and before there is a barrage of responses exclaiming chauvanistic-sexism in Muslim Lands; consider first the plight of women in AMERICAN-History |
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Post by Nupey on Mar 4, 2008 16:13:31 GMT -5
Thank you K1911, thats what I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST YEAR ABOUT A WOMAN PRESIDENT....
And they come with the : Cleopatra, Lyberia President, Elizabeth.....
Man this is the US were talking about, we are the WORLD POLICE, we dont need Little Bo Peep in the white house crying when something goes down....we need a REAL NICCA!!!!! (That last part was a joke)
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Post by DamieQue™ on Mar 4, 2008 16:18:52 GMT -5
Ah screw how Obama's perceived. Hillary is a fighter. That's all that matters. Actually, that is NOT all that matters. During an international conflict [similar the quagmire created by that "Son of a BUSH" in the White House], women ARE NOT universally respected by foreign HEADS of STATE; especially in NORTH AFRICA [from Morocco] to the far EAST [Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc]. Many seem to FORGET that this is not a mere DOMESTIC position. As a Muslim [rather in Europe, W. Afriqa, Oman, and the USA], I can assure you the opinion of a FEMALE "Head of State" is NOT taken seriously. Tired of typing, but consider the fate of Benazir Bhutto. ... and before there is a barrage of responses exclaiming chauvanistic-sexism in Muslim Lands; consider first the plight of women in AMERICAN-History |
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Post by konfucius1911 on Mar 4, 2008 16:30:24 GMT -5
Her being a woman is not ... are issue based not gender based. If you REALLY believe that gender is NOT an issue in the political process [especially THIS year], then you are NOT living in the reality. Hell, simply turn on the TV [or review YouTube-postings] and listen to the reason many people are considering HILLARY. Yes, her self-professed glorified history is a factor, but even SHE make constant references to being a WOMAN. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Mar 4, 2008 16:43:01 GMT -5
And many men are VOTING AGAINST her because she is a woman . . .
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