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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 14:05:22 GMT -5
I found this on MSN's site. Straight BS logic!!!!  Drop Out, Obama By Chris Wilson Even as Hillary Clinton trails Barack Obama in pledged delegates, the popular vote, and number of states won, she has made it clear that she plans to stay in the race for the nomination. All of which brings me to this logical conclusion: It is time for Barack Obama to drop out. If Clinton had the good of the Democratic Party in mind, she would have given up her bid the day after the Mississippi primary, which Obama won by 25 points. The delegate math was as dismal for her campaign then as it is now, even after Pennsylvania, and she was facing down a six-week gulf before the next election. But Hillary Clinton isn’t going to drop out. There simply isn’t a function in her assembly code for throwing in the towel. Obama, on the other hand, is fully capable of it. And if he’s really serious about representing a new kind of politics, now is the time for him to prove it in the only meaningful way left. Moreover, were he to play it right, dropping out now nearly guarantees that he’ll be elected president in 2012. Here’s the roadmap: Obama drops out next week, stating that although he could almost certainly win the nomination by fighting it out until the convention in August, he is simply not willing to drag the party through a battle that will cripple its chances against John McCain. He then pledges to help support Sen. Clinton in her bid—with full knowledge that she will not take him up on the offer. In one stroke, Obama will regain his messiah creds by making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the party. His followers will be furious. The mere mention of Clinton’s name will provoke unspeakable acts. They will abandon Clinton in numbers sufficient to hand McCain the election in November. Losing the presidency again after eight years of Bush will ruin the Democratic Party. It will become obvious that Clinton’s decision to stay in the race was the turning point in the election. The base will turn its wrath on party leaders like Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, who failed to push Clinton out. Obama, as the de facto head of the party, will broker negotiations to install new leaders loyal to him. McCain will be eminently more beatable in 2012. Demographics will continue to shift in Obama’s favor as his 14- to 17-year-old supporters come of voting age. Anyone foolish enough to challenge Obama for the nomination—and don’t rule out Clinton—will go nowhere. Obama’s utopian vision for a Democratic party unified around him will be complete. QED. Published Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:52 AM Filed under: Clinton, Obama |
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Post by 100% Bajan on Apr 25, 2008 14:34:00 GMT -5
in the words of southie, interesting.
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Post by Highly Favored on Apr 25, 2008 14:46:51 GMT -5
You're right...
Not good logic.
If he drops out now, no nomination and no guarantee of a nomination in 2012, even based on the logic presented. There are too many other dynamics that haven't been considered and the chance at a nomination in 2012 is based on too many "ifs".
If he weren't such a strong candidate, he would have nothing to lose by embracing this logic, but because he is, giving up now is not a good option, IMHO.
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 15:06:09 GMT -5
I am thinking how does it make sense for the peoples choice to drop out solely because the person losing doesn't want to give up for selfish reasons. Makes sense to me. NOT!! We know what this is about dont we? :smh:
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 25, 2008 15:14:27 GMT -5
Although there are many ifs in this argument and I DO NOT want Obama to drop out, the argument isn't too bad.
Look at the states Obama won. How many of them are truly BLUE states???
People are making a big deal of Obama winning MORE states, but many of these states will most certainly be RED in Nov., whether the Dem. nominee is Clinton OR Obama.
Yes. People have changed their parties, but many of these same people, when facing a WOMAN or a BLACK as their presidential candidate against a WHITE man who is being painted by the media as a "likeable moderate who works across party lines" will cross BACK over real quick. 
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 15:17:17 GMT -5
COme on now if he really wanted to make a difference and people wanted him there why drop out. PEople would perceive it more as weakness than noble, like he was abandoning them and turning tail and running. He'd never be president after that. The argument is flawed and if he wasn't black they'd never suggest it. Lets be real.
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 25, 2008 15:23:12 GMT -5
I don't think he should drop out at all, but I DO NOT think he can win.
The Superdelegates have a HARD task before them. They can go with the "popular" vote, and hand McCain the Presidency or they go with the candidate who won the states the Dems need to win the presidency and ensure a McCain Presidency.
This would truly be more exciting for me if we weren't in such dire times, but after Penn, I know in my heart that crakas will live in a shotgun house on the Miss'sippi delta and eat cornbread and buttermilk for breakfast, lunch and dinner and they will still turn down help from a brother.
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Post by Highly Favored on Apr 25, 2008 15:26:57 GMT -5
COme on now if he really wanted to make a difference and people wanted him there why drop out. PEople would perceive it more as weakness than noble, like he was abandoning them and turning tail and running. He'd never be president after that. The argument is flawed and if he wasn't black they'd never suggest it. Lets be real. I agree. He may not have some of the same faithful supporters the next time around, if he bails now. |
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Post by Highly Favored on Apr 25, 2008 15:29:28 GMT -5
I don't think he should drop out at all, but I DO NOT think he can win.
The Superdelegates have a HARD task before them. They can go with the "popular" vote, and hand McCain the Presidency or they go with the candidate who won the states the Dems need to win the presidency and ensure a McCain Presidency.
This would truly be more exciting for me if we weren't in such dire times, but after Penn, I know in my heart that crakas will live in a shotgun house on the Miss'sippi delta and eat cornbread and buttermilk for breakfast, lunch and dinner and they will still turn down help from a brother. I can understand and appreciate this perspective as well, but I have thought this from the beginning. Now that he is in it this deep, I think he needs to stay the course. |
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Post by water on Apr 25, 2008 15:41:36 GMT -5
If he dropped.... he still could be the VP and then and only then would the DEMs have a chance against McCain. The party is officially split and blacks will be super mad at Hilliary ..... The Republicans win again...... too much money is on the line to let those we bringin the troops home Dems in Its a sad state of Affairs  |
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 15:42:31 GMT -5
LAdy L you don't think Barak can win against Hillary or McCain? Interesting. My thought is that if they "take", yeah I said take it from Barak and Hillary gets the nomination you can pencil McCain in as your next president because black folks will stay away from the polls in drove and some other folks will too. Its either Ride with Barak or lose. They are making a mistake by not coming out and endorsing Barack and ending this bullcrap with Hillary. Each day she stays in she prevents them from campaining against McCain. She is killing the party and jeopardizing the dems winning the White house. As we speak McCain is reinventing himself while mud is slung back and forth. Hillary is using republican tactics so much against Barack that they won't have to. She is doing their job for them with the racial crap and making it easy for them. If she loses she basically cost Barack votes in PA with what she just pulled and the PA residents have basically come out and said that they'd rather ride a loser than vote for the black frontrunner and strengthen the chance of him winning in November. Its crazy!!!
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Apr 25, 2008 15:42:50 GMT -5
Y'all got my pressure up.
Heck no, he shouldn't drop out. The superdelegates need to start flocking toward Obama to help Clinton see that she can't win. He got 3 superdelegates AFTER the Pennsylvania primary, she only got one. No one is buying her argument. I guess the problem is that her argument changes daily, based on whatever will benefit her.
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 25, 2008 15:43:35 GMT -5
What's so sad is that a black president who believes in diplomacy and working for the betterment of the people so much that he refuses money from lobbyists is just what we NEED.
Crakas ain't got no insight. They are power hungry and jealous of the black man. If they can't be well endowed, they'll just kill our men and rule the world any way they can . . .
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Post by Prissy New Year!!! on Apr 25, 2008 15:45:51 GMT -5
What's so sad is that a black president who believes in diplomacy and working for the betterment of the people so much that he refuses money from lobbyists is just what we NEED.
Crakas ain't got no insight. They are power hungry and jealous of the black man. If they can't be well endowed, they'll just kill our men and rule the world any way they can . . . Thank you! A big part of the reason I support Obama is because he does not accept donations from lobbyists. No one wants to talk about that though. They want to talk about Rev Wright and assumptions about what they think he may think...instead of looking at what he has actually done. |
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 15:49:12 GMT -5
Y'all got my pressure up. Heck no, he shouldn't drop out. The superdelegates need to start flocking toward Obama to help Clinton see that she can't win. He got 3 superdelegates AFTER the Pennsylvania primary, she only got one. No one is buying her argument. I guess the problem is that her argument changes daily, based on whatever will benefit her. Biggups to Prissy. I agree wholeheartedly. They are killing me with their inaction which will hurt some of them in the coming congress elections. They are forever sitting on their hands waiting for stuff to happen instead of making it happen. |
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Post by LejaOMG on Apr 25, 2008 15:50:04 GMT -5
COme on now if he really wanted to make a difference and people wanted him there why drop out. PEople would perceive it more as weakness than noble, like he was abandoning them and turning tail and running. He'd never be president after that. The argument is flawed and if he wasn't black they'd never suggest it. Lets be real. capitalize the "b" in BLACK, and you get some [glow=red,2,300]STROBELIGHTS!![/glow] |
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 16:01:01 GMT -5
COme on now if he really wanted to make a difference and people wanted him there why drop out. PEople would perceive it more as weakness than noble, like he was abandoning them and turning tail and running. He'd never be president after that. The argument is flawed and if he wasn't BLACK they'd never suggest it. Lets be real. capitalize the "b" in BLACK, and you get some [glow=red,2,300]STROBELIGHTS!![/glow] Fixed it for you. LOL |
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Post by Alc 06 on Apr 25, 2008 16:02:07 GMT -5
what the fcuk kind of logic is that???
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 25, 2008 16:05:10 GMT -5
Exactly Alchemist. Its someone trying to come off like they like Barack while pushing some convoluted ish for Clinton.
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Post by Noble Work on Apr 25, 2008 16:26:01 GMT -5
How come I pictured the author smoking a joint while writing this piece?
He had to have been on something to call THAT logic.
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Post by No Screen Name on Apr 25, 2008 17:54:55 GMT -5
Like I said in another post: the Dems can fvck up a wet dream. ONLY the Democrats can STEAL DEFEAT from the jaws of the Republicans! There were WAY too many "ifs" in that hypothesis. |
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Post by Southie on Apr 26, 2008 10:11:44 GMT -5
stupid
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 26, 2008 15:01:07 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should drop out at someone else's urging. Not Obama, not Clinton. This is the election... anyone and everyone should have the right to run and try to make the country better. I was angry when every one was telling Hillary to quite. What kind of country is this. Give folks the opportunity to chase their dreams. Fight to the end for what you believe in. Do the damn thing until you're ready to stop.
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Post by Robelite on Apr 28, 2008 12:01:15 GMT -5
Let me say this about all of this ranting about how "the dems are helping McBush," schit:
If John McCain were REALLY being helped by all of the Obama-Clinton infighting...how the hell is it that he is just EVEN with them in the polls rather than having pulled way ahead? I'll tell you why....the crazy right-wing religious hacks who use the bible to justify their hate for those who don't look like them are not sold on McCain, because while he maybe a lot of things, he's not a far-right fanatic! Also, there are those who feel that he is too old to run for president.
And finally, ther are enough of them who realize that while he likes to run on his strong point of the Iraq war, they also realize that his stance on Iraq is the very thing that will keep his ass out of the WH.
Most of them (that have the sense of a wandering goat,) want out of Iraq as well.
Bottom line - Obama doesn't need to drop out, nor does Hildegard!! And if by some chance she gets the nomination, she needs OBAMA on her ticket! Run Barack, run!!!
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Post by Southie on Apr 28, 2008 12:23:45 GMT -5
I just heard on the radio, that (I can't remember his name), the head of the Democratic Party Convention (not the correct title...former presidential candidate). Stated that the Dems need to have a candidate in mind by June and not wait until the convention in August. He continue to state...we are becoming too divided and therefore need to come to a compromise in order to be a strong opponent in November.
Interesting
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Post by Southie on Apr 28, 2008 12:24:52 GMT -5
Democratic Party chief Howard Dean wants Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama out by June
April 28, 2008Recommend
FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON — Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Monday that either Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama must drop out of the Democratic presidential race after the June primaries in order to unify the party by the convention and win the election in November.
But Dean didn’t say which candidate should drop out, only that it should happen after primary voters have been to the polls.
‘‘We want the voters to have their say. That’s over on June 3,’’ Dean said in an interview on ABC’s ‘‘Good Morning America.’’
Dean also said that while the party rules say Democratic superdelegates can wait until the party’s August 25 convention to make up their minds, that would be too late to unify the party and defeat the presumptive Republican nominee, John McCain.
‘‘We really can’t have a divided convention. If we do it’s going to be very hard to heal the party afterwards,’’ Dean said. ‘‘So we’ll know who the nominee is and that’ll give us an extra 2œ months to get our party together, heal the wounds of having a very closely divided race and take on Senator McCain.’’
Dean said he won’t have to tell either Clinton or Obama when it’s time to leave the race.
‘‘Either of these candidates, if it’s time for them to go, they’ll know it and they will go,’’ Dean said. ‘‘They don’t need any pushing from me. You know when to get in and you know when to get out. That’s just part of the deal.’’
Obama has more delegates and popular votes than Clinton, but she is also fresh off a big-state win in Pennsylvania.
Dean said that ‘‘none of the so-called party elders I talked to’’ think the contest should go until the convention. ‘‘I agree with that,’’ Dean said.
‘‘We’ve got nine more primaries ... Five hundred of the 800 unpledged delegates have already said who they are for. The remaining 300 will do that by the end of June and we’ll know who our nominee is and that’s what we need to do,’’ Dean said on NBC’s ‘‘Today’’ show.
Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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Post by Search1906 on Apr 28, 2008 13:07:50 GMT -5
Dean also stated in another article that the Superdelegates would probably decide this and it would probably be based on who is more electable and not who has the popular vote or more delegates which I think is irresponsible. He basically stated what Hillary has been stating which reeks of bias. As the head he should be advocating for what is best for the country and the best way for them to take the white house back. He is on some BS about seating the delegates from MI and FL when he was hardcore about them not voting early even though FL had no choice by law. No wonder this fool didn't win the nomination when he ran. He's an idiot.
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Post by Champs Elysees on Apr 28, 2008 13:14:13 GMT -5
Let me say this about all of this ranting about how "the dems are helping McBush," schit: If John McCain were REALLY being helped by all of the Obama-Clinton infighting... how the hell is it that he is just EVEN with them in the polls rather than having pulled way ahead? I'll tell you why....the crazy right-wing religious hacks who use the bible to justify their hate for those who don't look like them are not sold on McCain, because while he maybe a lot of things, he's not a far-right fanatic! Also, there are those who feel that he is too old to run for president. And finally, ther are enough of them who realize that while he likes to run on his strong point of the Iraq war, they also realize that his stance on Iraq is the very thing that will keep his ass out of the WH. Most of them (that have the sense of a wandering goat,) want out of Iraq as well. Bottom line - Obama doesn't need to drop out, nor does Hildegard!! And if by some chance she gets the nomination, she needs OBAMA on her ticket! Run Barack, run!!! |
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Post by Robelite on Apr 28, 2008 14:34:58 GMT -5
L,
I believe there are enough new/young more opened-minded and progressive whites that will outnumber the crackers and rednecks in this fall's election, and as I said...those crackers and rednecks are not fond of McCain at all! I know all about Douglas Wilder's advice to Obama, and in that advice, he encouraged Obama to run..and let he (Wilder) and his other supporters with voice and clout handle all the bullshit from the background!
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 29, 2008 20:40:56 GMT -5
I'm tired of people telling me the party is divided. They never asked me oranyone in my family. Where is this coming from? I don't know any democrat (not that they're aren't any) but I personally don't know anyone that would vote for McCain because Clinton and Obamam are fighting it out in the campaign.
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