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Post by Gee-Are on Jan 30, 2008 16:59:18 GMT -5
There are reports that Ralph Nader may be considering another campaign run... politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/Ok, is it me, or does this seem fishy? I mean again this dude is about to split the voter base, and he's going to affect more democratic voters than republicans. IS he getting paid to do this everytime? |
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Post by DamieQue™ on Jan 30, 2008 17:01:50 GMT -5
Nader needs to stay his a$$ out of this one. No matter what he says he helped Bush win.
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Post by Gee-Are on Jan 30, 2008 17:04:26 GMT -5
both times I believe. So is the GOP paying him under the table to run, because they know for sure that they're up against a beast in Obama or Clinton?
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Post by Fraternal Design on Jan 30, 2008 17:06:50 GMT -5
I voted for Nader in 2000.
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Post by Gee-Are on Jan 30, 2008 17:11:31 GMT -5
FD were you in Florida at the time?
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Post by Fraternal Design on Jan 30, 2008 17:13:21 GMT -5
No, I was in DC. My vote will never count here except in Democratic primaries.
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Post by No Screen Name on Jan 30, 2008 19:48:20 GMT -5
I truly, truly admire and respect Nader. Half the stuff he's done to improve the lives of Americans, folks really don't even know about. He was key in getting airbags in cars, getting the EPA established, getting dangerous products, automobiles, medicines, toys and other things off the market. He is a phenomenal man, and his heart is really in the right place.
Having said that, he needs to sit his sorry-azz down with that BS. For real. He does NOT belong in politics. I think he means well, and he's VERY passionate, but he needs to go back to being an advocate for the public, and leave the politics alone.
Me and my BF have this argument all the time. I *AAAALMOST* voted for him in 2000. He voted for him, and said he'd vote for him again in the future.
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Post by regaldefined on Jan 31, 2008 14:26:04 GMT -5
Nader needs to stay his a$$ out of this one. No matter what he says he helped Bush win. SSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEE I started cussing when I heard it, for once the race doesn't have to be split and here comes Nader the i like to spend money every 4 years on this shit just for kicks.....does anyone know how many times this dude has run for President??? 4 fuckin times and each time he only succeeds in spliting the Democratic Vote....it is utterly ridiculous. |
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Post by Champs Elysees on Jan 31, 2008 14:42:38 GMT -5
*Rolls up to Nader campaign rally*
That'll learn him! 
He'd better not fcuk this one up!
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Post by No Screen Name on Jan 31, 2008 17:13:10 GMT -5
DON'T DO IT LADY L!  The man DOES speak the truth. He just needs to go back to doing THAT. |
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 24, 2008 16:37:29 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2008 9:00:12 GMT -5
If all he can successfully do time in and time out is siphon off enough votes to ensure Republicans get in, if he is aware that that is the only net effect of his campaign...
...why is he doing this? What ground swell is clamoring for Nader to run? I hope the media ignores him. Ron Paul running as an independent 3rd party makes more sense. At least there IS some demand for him. No one that I've heard of it clamoring for Nader. The Democrats should encourage Ron Paul to run as a 3rd party and siphon off Republican votes
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 25, 2008 9:09:58 GMT -5
With Paul's performance so far...I just don't see him making that big of an impact in the general election. I think the GOP will continue to rally around McCain. They're already doing it with this New York Times story. However, Paul's raised a lot of money and barely spent any of it.
The other that might run is Bloomberg...Now THAT could make some impact on the Republican votes from what I understand, even though I don't know what his platform would be.
Nader will not be able to divide the party as much this time around. I believe people are wise to his edtrimental effect. I hope his goal is just to introduce some issues that haven't been discussed and leave it at that. However, the ground swell and momentum that Obama is getting right now is what he hoped for in 2000. New voters, young voters, that's who Nader hoped to bring into the process then and it didn't happen. So...is HE going to be compelling enough to get them to LEAVE Obama's camp? Hell no.
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2008 9:48:51 GMT -5
What issue isn't being discussed though? At least when Sharpton was running he was forcing candidates to talk about issues that they otherwise weren't talking about.
I heard Nader say something about Healthcare... people are already talking about that. They're talking about immigration reform, tax reform, education, jobs... the issues are being talked about.
So what is his purpose?
Also Ron Paul would only cipher off the Libertarian wing of Republicans, the only thing that would really hurt McCain would be Huckabee because he would definitely suck away Evangelical vote.
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Post by Gee-Are on Feb 25, 2008 10:06:12 GMT -5
Yeah, Edwards kinda picked up some of Nader's platform this run by attacking big business, etc., but it didn't work that well for him.
And I believe, for THIS run, any white male coming in at the last minute to siphon away votes from either of the 2 Democratic candidates is setting himself up for failure.
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Post by Search1906 on Feb 25, 2008 12:32:44 GMT -5
I am beginning to think this dude is a closet Republican. He seems to always want to jump in the race at the last minute to siphon votes knowing he can't win. Where was he all last year? I'm serious there has to be a money trail between this dude and republican special interest because its too convenient that he always wants to jump in on some rah rah. Damie you make have a point the Democrats should line Ron Pauls pockets to run and steal Republican votes. Its crazy!!
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Post by Southie on Feb 25, 2008 12:55:10 GMT -5
I think the Dems knew that Nader would step into the race at the last minute. Now, the question is would he hurt Hillary or Obama more? Or, would he actually hurt McCain, because the Republicans do not like McCain.
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Post by Champs Elysees on Feb 25, 2008 13:08:07 GMT -5
Nader gets fewer votes in each election in which he runs. People are energized like never before behind candidates they are already familiar with.
This campaign is unlike any other so far. I think Nader jumped in the wrong one.
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Post by Search1906 on Feb 25, 2008 13:09:09 GMT -5
He's a tool and he looks like a walking corpse. Sad.
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Post by konfucius1911 on Feb 25, 2008 14:13:10 GMT -5
He MUST hold the record for "Individual who has run for the Presidency multiple times".
He should be the freaking-mascot for an ENERGIZER*Bunny advertisement:
"If at first you don't succeed, ..."
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 15:02:49 GMT -5
the dark horse is Huckabee.......
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Post by Search1906 on Feb 25, 2008 15:26:28 GMT -5
He's not a darkhorse he's hanging around trying to be VP. LOL
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 15:44:23 GMT -5
pres or vp he is the only one who can deal with the committed christian
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Post by sigmamason on Feb 25, 2008 15:55:18 GMT -5
Democrats won't touch Ron Paul, he is the poster boy for the national alliance. If you were to read some of Ron Paul's early writings on race relations, and take a strong look at his core audience, then you will see a dangerous situation...
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Post by water on Feb 25, 2008 16:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by DamieQue™ on Feb 25, 2008 18:53:57 GMT -5
Democrats won't touch Ron Paul, he is the poster boy for the national alliance. If you were to read some of Ron Paul's early writings on race relations, and take a strong look at his core audience, then you will see a dangerous situation...
As for Nader, if he was running as the candidate for change, I think he's already missed that boat. |
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Post by No Screen Name on Feb 26, 2008 10:59:48 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong--Nader speaks with a LOT of truth. His whole career has been about "change", and he's accomplished a lot. He's pretty radical and impatient, but I can truly feel where he's coming from in a lot of ways. I honestly think he means well, and he's frustrated with the slow progress, selling out to corporate interests and politics-as-usual by both parties. If you ever get a chance, watch his documentary, "An Unreasonable Man". They sell it at Target. It's eye-opening.
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Post by water on Feb 26, 2008 13:38:33 GMT -5
Run Nader Run  |
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Post by Southie on Feb 26, 2008 13:41:18 GMT -5
His timing as usual is very suspect
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Post by CrimsonENDvy on Feb 26, 2008 13:47:35 GMT -5
I was really really disappointed to hear that Nader was running. He really does tap into the democratic base of independents, and Barack will need all he can get to defeat McCain. Nader has to consider that if he runs, McCain might actually win. I don't think Nader would take money from the GOP though, he's way too liberal for that.
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The man DOES speak the truth. He just needs to go back to doing THAT.
