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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 8, 2011 16:30:46 GMT -5
Stuff like this just sickens me. It's all about the money they didn't want to tarnish their little image. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Paterno: Shocked, saddened by charges brought against Sandusky. Ex-coordinator Jerry Sandusky was charged with sexually assaulting eight boysPenn State coach Joe Paterno said he was shocked, saddened and as surprised as everyone else to learn longtime assistant Jerry Sandusky was charged with sexually abusing young boys over a 15-year period, including four years when Sandusky still was a member of the Nittany Lions' staff. "If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers," Paterno in a statement issued Sunday night by his son, Scott. Paterno, a Hall of Famer and the winningest coach in Division I history, is not implicated in the case. "Joe Paterno was a witness who cooperated and testified before the grand jury," said Nils Frederiksen, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office. "He's not a suspect." Paterno referred to his grand jury testimony in which he testified that he was informed by an assistant coach in 2002 that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of the team locker room. Prosecutors have said Paterno had passed on the information to Athletic Director Tim Curley. But Paterno said specific actions alleged to have occurred in the grand jury report were not relayed to him. "It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report," Paterno said in the statement. "Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators." Late Sunday night, Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges, university President Graham Spanier said. Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, will step down and go back into retirement, Spanier said. He declined to comment to reporters after the meeting. University spokesman Bill Mahon said resignations Paterno and Spanier weren't discussed at the meeting. The developments came after the Penn State board met in executive session. About half the board members were present while others joined by phone. Board members, including university Vice President Damon Sims, walked out and declined to comment to reporters. In a phone interview Sunday, Scott Paterno, serving as his father's spokesman, said the first and only incident reported about Sandusky to Paterno was in 2002. Scott Paterno, a former lawyer, is a Harrisburg-based political operative. Sandusky retired from his assistant's job in 1999. He is charged with sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years. Overseeing the linebackers, Sandusky coached such prominent players including Jack Ham, Shane Conlan and Matt Millen. Sandusky coached the defense in Penn State's 1982 and 1986 national title seasons, and was at one point considered a likely successor to Paterno. The grand jury report released Saturday said one victim, identified as "Victim 4," recalled a meeting with an emotional Sandusky after Paterno had told Sandusky about May 1999 that his assistant would not be the next coach at Penn State. According to Scott Paterno, his father made the decision because he felt Sandusky was spending too much time at The Second Mile, a foundation Sandusky established to help at-risk kids, where authorities say he encountered the boys. Sandusky then made the decision to take early retirement, Scott Paterno said. Scott Paterno said his father told Sandusky he had to dedicate himself to either the foundation or coaching. "Joe had said `You can't do both, you can't have two masters,"' Scott Paterno recalled. Curley and Schultz were charged Saturday with failing to report to state and county officials that a witness told them he saw Sandusky sexually abusing a naked boy in the locker room showers in 2002. Two people familiar with the investigation confirmed the identity of the witness as then-graduate assistant Mike McQueary, now the team's wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. The two spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the names in the grand jury report have not been publicly released. Schultz and Curley were also charged with perjury. Lawyers for all three men have said they are innocent. "I understand that people are upset and angry, but let's be fair and let the legal process unfold," Paterno said in the statement. "In the meantime I would ask all Penn Staters to continue to trust in what that name represents, continue to pursue their lives every day with high ideals and not let these events shake their beliefs nor who they are." On Oct. 29, Paterno won his 409th victory, most among Division I coaches. Penn State was off last weekend and plays Nebraska on Saturday in the home finale. "If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters," he said. "While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred." Instead of excited chatter about a potential Big Ten title after a surprising 8-1 start, the focus is squarely on the disturbing abuse charges. An athletic department spokesman said Paterno would not be available to talk to reporters until his regularly scheduled Tuesday media availability, and referred all comment to the university's media relations department. There were busy signals Sunday to several calls to Paterno's home. In his record 46 years on the job, he's never faced a crisis quite like the one now hovering over Happy Valley like a dark cloud. While other programs were plagued by controversy after controversy - Ohio State and Miami this year, for instance - Penn State, one of the storied programs in the college football history, seemingly just rolled right along with about as much buzz as their plain blue-and-white uniforms, holding true to its slogan "Success with Honor." Miami coach Al Golden, a former Penn State tight end, returned to his alma mater in 2000 as a linebacker coach and recruiting coordinator. Golden was hired to fill the vacancy created when Sandusky retired in 1999. "Shocked and disheartened," Golden said. "But other than that, I really don't know much about it or what's going on. But the news that I did learn, I was shocked and disheartened, like so many others, I'm sure." Golden has remained close with several people at the school and still speaks with the highest regard for Joe Paterno. Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/06/penn.state.joe.paterno.scandal.ap/index.html#ixzz1d9TVUjPL
espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7201952/penn-state-nittany-lions-tim-curley-gary-schultz-step-amid-scandal
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Post by LejaOMG on Nov 9, 2011 9:41:22 GMT -5
Here's what I'm slow to understand: Why does Joe Paterno's winningest record contribute to the shock and concern that people are experiencing? I read a few articles this morning and they all said something like "with 409 wins, it is disheartening that Paterno would permit such a thing." I completely do not see the connection.
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Post by LejaOMG on Nov 9, 2011 9:46:32 GMT -5
Scott Paterno, serving as his father's spokesman... a former lawyer I'on truss it. |
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 9, 2011 10:39:14 GMT -5
The entire administration must go! Below is a statement from Penn State's website. LIES, LIES, LIES!!!
Do you think that this scandal will significantly impact their ability to recruit new students (not just to athletic programs but in general) or retain current students??_______________________________________________________________________________________________ Statement by The Pennsylvania State University Board of TrusteesTuesday, November 8, 2011 The Board of Trustees of The Pennsylvania State University is outraged by the horrifying details contained in the Grand Jury Report. As parents, alumni and members of the Penn State Community, our hearts go out to all of those impacted by these terrible events, especially the tragedies involving children and their families. We cannot begin to express the combination of sorrow and anger that we feel about the allegations surrounding Jerry Sandusky. We hear those of you who feel betrayed and we want to assure all of you that the Board will take swift, decisive action.At its regular meeting on Friday, November 11, 2011, the Board will appoint a Special Committee, members of which are currently being identified, to undertake a full and complete investigation of the circumstances that gave rise to the Grand Jury Report. This Special Committee will be commissioned to determine what failures occurred, who is responsible and what measures are necessary to insure that this never happens at our University again and that those responsible are held fully accountable. The Special Committee will have whatever resources are necessary to thoroughly fulfill its charge, including independent counsel and investigative teams, and there will be no restrictions placed on its scope or activities. Upon the completion of this investigation, a complete report will be presented at a future public session of the Board of Trustees. Penn State has always strived for honesty, integrity and the highest moral standards in all of its programs.We will not tolerate any violation of these principles. We educate over 95,000 students every year and we take this responsibility very seriously. We are dedicated to protecting those who are placed in our care. We promise you that we are committed to restoring public trust in the University. live.psu.edu/story/56285#rss49
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Post by Coldfront06 on Nov 9, 2011 16:23:27 GMT -5
Paterno announced he is retiring at the end of the season. Not nearly enough IMO. I don't think he should be allowed to coach another game.
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 9, 2011 22:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 9, 2011 22:28:11 GMT -5
As of 9:27pm CST Penn State's website (www.psu.edu) is not working. Guess they are updating their administration information. Good riddens!
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Post by Coach on Nov 10, 2011 6:43:47 GMT -5
I'll be the first the say that it was hard to stay unbiased in my opinion, but what Penn State can't justify is allowing Mike McQuerry to keep his job while JoePa has to go. If you think JoePa should've did more, what about the guy who actually saw an abusing incident happen?
Spare me....somebody had to fall on their sword and why not use the most popular name as your scapegoat. If your going to have a standard, hold everyone to the same standard.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 10, 2011 8:57:30 GMT -5
PLEASE, get out of my head!! lol I haven't been following this story as much as others, but I asked someone this very question last night and it turned into a huge debate. I'll be the first the say that it was hard to stay unbiased in my opinion, but what Penn State can't justify is allowing Mike McQuerry to keep his job while JoePa has to go. If you think JoePa should've did more, what about the guy who actually saw an abusing incident happen? Spare me....somebody had to fall on their sword and why not use the most popular name as your scapegoat. If your going to have a standard, hold everyone to the same standard. |
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 10, 2011 9:25:37 GMT -5
I normally don't follow sports issues but this one caught my eye because of the alleged abuse of children. I witness similar cases in the CPS world I work in so I was also torn about which way to side. Normally when a child claims they have been abused they have. No one comes out ahead in this case not the alleged victims who've had to live with the betrayal, not the alleged perp Sandusky who may be innocent (doubt it), not Paterno whose legacy is tarnished, and not the school whose reputation for "honesty, integrity and the highest moral standards" is now in jeopardy. @ Coach- I agree that McQuery should be terminated. Morally and I believe legally (I'll have to check PA laws) he had an obligation to report to the police, not just his superiors, claims that he witnessed child abuse. They claim McQuery is protected by Whistleblower legislation but morally he should have done more. Same with Paterno & Spanier. Another issue- the prosecutor, Ray Gricar, that decided not to pursue charges back in the early 90's has been "missing" for a few years. Why because he also failed at protecting abused children!!?? Check out this website abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/t/story?id=14905668 click on the link and read the grand jury indictment. As an outsider looking in everyone is entitled to their opinion, my opinion is I smell a cover up on a university, local, and state-wide level. I guess football> innocent children so what does it matter.... |
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 10, 2011 9:31:03 GMT -5
The laws in Pennsylvania regarding mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse can be found in 23 Pa. C.S. 6111-6119. Section 6111 has to do with the responsibility of mandated reporters to report suspected child abuse. Subsection c is quite important, as it has to do with the responsibilities of staff members of institutions. It reads thus: (c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or agency. (from an opinion piece by someone who wrote his church's Child Protection Policy in Pennsylvania www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/5/2540413/should-joe-paterno-have-done-more-to-protect-children)Morally and I believe legally (I'll have to check PA laws) he had an obligation to report to the police, not just his superiors, claims that he witnessed child abuse |
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 10, 2011 9:34:37 GMT -5
I also had to participate in risk management/child protection training a couple of months ago, and though I'm not in Pennsylvania, the procedure is similar. I am required to report it to my leadership, and THEY are to report it to authorities...not me.
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 10, 2011 9:56:39 GMT -5
Ok so based on the law Curley & Schultz, the administrators, were legally obligated. Although, the law seems very straightforward who and what to report it is ambiguous. Evenstill where are the peoples morals!!? Individuals should want to report something they see as wrong involving the abuse of CHILDREN even if you are not mandated to do so. Put yourself in another parent's shoes what if this was your child being abused...would you be ok with them not investigating and following through or doing the minimum? Not me bc children put trust in adults to do the right thing and do right by them. I have a serious disdain for those that abuse children and the elderly and those that don't take necessary steps to help stop it. I like this little timeline here www.npr.org/2011/11/08/142111804/penn-state-abuse-scandal-a-guide-and-timeline Mark Madden knew about this isshhhh way back in April and still folks up in PA and at Penn State just sat around come on now... This was the best line " Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media" They claim the Second Mile Foundation was PIMPING out young boys to prominent donors as well. www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html***these are only my opinions*** ;D |
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 10, 2011 10:15:42 GMT -5
"that person shall
immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person
in charge."^^^doesn't seem that ambiguous to me *shrugs* So after informing his superiors, and after an internal investigation was launched by said superiors, he was supposed to assume that a cover-up was happening when no further action took place, and therefore go directly to the police to report something that he didn't witness himself? That's where it goes back to McQuery...he saw it...he was interviewed as part of the university's investigation...if Paterno is taking the fall for not doing enough, he DEFINITELY should be going down too. But, as someone pointed out on Twitter last night, if Paterno had won a ring within the last 5 years or so, we probably wouldn't be having this convo, b/c he'd still have a job today.
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 10, 2011 10:20:36 GMT -5
So you report and you turn the blind eye and fail to follow-up...O.K.
I agree with you that more people should be terminated and possibly investigated. At this point no one is in the clear they could have been participating as well.
So again it is all about football, legacies, rings, and oh yeaaaaa money, money, money, money! lol. I'm not the judge, jury, or executioner all I can do is watch over the next month - year and see how this unfolds, how many other victims come forward, home many other high ranking officials or prominent community members are involved.
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Post by Coldfront06 on Nov 10, 2011 10:21:34 GMT -5
McQuerry is going to be fired too...I'm certain of it. No one who knew about the abuse is going to keep their job, and nor should they.
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Post by Coldfront06 on Nov 10, 2011 10:30:30 GMT -5
And don't be confused...Joe Paterno knew Sandusky was a child molester well before 2002. I don't believe for one second that Sandusky's retirement in 1999 wasn't related to the 1998 allegations of his sexual abuse.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 10, 2011 10:45:35 GMT -5
Do we know that he failed to follow up? Or is that an assumption? And I keep going back to the assistant coach...HE is the one who witnessed it, so HE is the one who should have gone to the police if he felt the school wasn't doing anything. There is a HUGE difference between calling the police as someone who actually witnessed a crime, and calling the police as someone who HEARD about a crime. Especially not knowing if the relationship between the 2 of them was one where he trusted everything old boy told him. So you report and you turn the blind eye and fail to follow-up...O.K. |
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 10, 2011 16:23:23 GMT -5
They still got Spanier listed as prez. Why they got the two black folks on the end like that to balance things out lol.  Front Row, L-R: Graham B. Spanier, President Rodney A. Erickson Executive, Vice President and Provost Second Row: Cynthia A. Baldwin, Vice President and General Counsel Rodney P. Kirsch, Senior Vice President for Development and Alumni Relations Paula R. Ammerman, Director, Office of the Board of Trustees W. Terrell Jones, Vice President for Educational Equity Third Row: Richard D. DiEugenio, Special Assistant to the President for Governmental Affairs Albert G. Horvath, Senior Vice President for Finance and Business/Treasurer Thomas G. Poole, Vice President for Administration Fourth Row: Henry C. Foley, Vice President for Research and Dean of the Graduate School Blannie E. Bowen, Vice Provost for Academic Affairs Damon Sims, Vice President for Student Affairs John J. Romano, Vice President for Commonwealth Campuses Fifth Row: Harold L. Paz, Chief Executive Officer, Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center; Senior Vice President for Health Affairs, Penn State University; and Dean, Penn State College of Medicine Craig D. Weidemann, Vice President for Outreach William M. Mahon III, Vice President for University Relations Robert N. Pangborn, Vice President and Dean for Undergraduate Education Members absent from photo: Timothy M. Curley, Director of Intercollegiate Athletics www.psu.edu/ur/about/administration.html |
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Post by Troopa1911 on Nov 10, 2011 16:42:56 GMT -5
I read about 4 pages of the grand jury testimony....I'm feeling sick now.
<------ I prayed this morning for all of those who have been molested, not just in this situation but for all-time. There has to be a special place in hell for someone rapes a child!
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Post by Sapphire on Nov 10, 2011 19:31:26 GMT -5
I'll be the first the say that it was hard to stay unbiased in my opinion, but what Penn State can't justify is allowing Mike McQuerry to keep his job while JoePa has to go. If you think JoePa should've did more, what about the guy who actually saw an abusing incident happen? Spare me....somebody had to fall on their sword and why not use the most popular name as your scapegoat. If your going to have a standard, hold everyone to the same standard. I agree. Many more people need to go and they need to go now. Stopping with these two (even though they will likely continue) doesn't make sense to me. The witness needs to go, the campus police need to go and not for nothing the trustees need to go. The buck stops at the top. I do feel kinda sad that at 84 and after that many years of service they didn't let him resign even though it would have been forced. What a way to go out. I definitely feel that Paterno should have done more, however, he reported it to his superior.... which is what he was supposed to do. The guy who actually witnessed it should have also done more. Both of them (especially the witness since he saw it first hand) could have called in an anonymous tip. Found out the boys name and hinted to his parents/guardian that there may be a problem. Ug, and I read that these incidents also took place at this bastards home during overnight visits. Parents, people don't let your kids just stay wherever. SMH. My heart aches for these children and am sickened by the damage that was done to them. They'll never be the same. Very sad. By the way, how did this all come out all the sudden. This happened a long time ago has the investigation been going on for some time or did folks just start coming forward? |
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Post by Sapphire on Nov 11, 2011 9:15:54 GMT -5
Also I think action should be swift, not wreckless without thought or reason, but swift. The longer they wait to fire the witness gives him the opportunity to resign, which IMO is not a good look if the school is supposed to be demonstrating that they are taking this seriously.
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Post by Coach on Nov 11, 2011 17:02:36 GMT -5
Amazing to me how JoePa and Mike McQuerry gets all the heat while Gary Schultz and Tim Curley seemly faces no public criticism. The actual people who failed to report what was happening. The latter two were just flat out wrong and didnt do what they were suppose to do, which was to report the incident.
Here's my problem with people:
You want to have a problem with JoePa and McQuerry, that fine. But don't act like everyone follows an universal code of ethics and morals. Did JoePa and McQuerry do the least of what they should've done? Yes. Could JoePa and McQuerry done more? Absolutely! Am I ready to criticize someone else because they didn't do what I probably would've done in that same situation? No
Now that works for an individual but Penn State has to maintain a certain image, therefor there's no way JoePa was going to be able to stay. And there's no way McQuerry will be able to stay either. You'll find a lot of people who don't feel JoePa should've been fired and the reason has nothing to do with the amount of wins.
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Post by QUIET As Kept on Nov 11, 2011 18:43:15 GMT -5
No, seriously...did you tap into my mind while I was sleeping?!?!? I was JUST telling someone last night that so many folks are projecting their expectations on the folks involved. Just because YOU may have done more doesn't mean anybody else will? Why? Because they don't have to. If you want folks to be held to higher standard, then lobby to change the laws so that everyone has to. Here's my problem with people: You want to have a problem with JoePa and McQuerry, that fine. But don't act like everyone follows an universal code of ethics and morals. Did JoePa and McQuerry do the least of what they should've done? Yes. Could JoePa and McQuerry done more? Absolutely! Am I ready to criticize someone else because they didn't do what I probably would've done in that same situation? No |
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Post by Coldfront06 on Nov 11, 2011 21:08:11 GMT -5
In many instances, public expectations/criticism matter just as much as the law does...thats why Paterno was fired. Legally he did what was required, but the public doesn't feel that he did enough. Therefore, the BOT made the decision to fire him. He was held to a higher standard. I haven't heard much public criticism of Schultz and Curely either, but I think its because they have been charged.
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 14, 2011 9:56:41 GMT -5
Gov.: Penn St. assistant failed 'moral obligation' ..HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — The Penn State football coach who told a grand jury that he saw another coach molest a child failed to meet "a moral obligation" to intervene, Pennsylvania's governor said Sunday, adding that he expects more victims to come forward. The coach who testified, Mike McQueary, had said he saw retired Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in a shower at a campus football facility almost a decade ago. Sandusky is accused of assaulting eight boys over 15 years and has maintained his innocence. The university has put McQueary on leave from his job. McQueary told the grand jury he was distraught by what he witnessed and walked away after both Sandusky and the boy saw him. He said he told his father what happened and then told head coach Joe Paterno, who reported it to his superiors. But those school officials, athletic director Tim Curley and school vice president Gary Schultz, face perjury charges, accused of covering up McQueary's 2002 report. The charges were filed last weekend and the grand jury's report made public, and the resulting outrage made it clear that Paterno, who had coached for decades at Penn State, would share the blame. He was fired Wednesday. In his last game, a win over Illinois, he'd become the coach with the most wins in Division I history. As for McQueary, the current attorney general had clearly decided that he was to be treated as a witness in the case, Gov. Tom Corbett said on NBC's "Meet the Press." McQueary met "the minimum obligation" of reporting what he saw to his superiors, who are required under Pennsylvania law to report such assaults to authorities. But McQueary "did not in my opinion meet a moral obligation that all of us would have," said the governor, who as attorney general initiated the investigation that led to the charges. Corbett also said people have to keep in mind "that this is also somebody who is a witness to this crime and is a very important witness." State lawmakers from both parties have proposed changes to toughen the law that governs the reporting of sex assaults, Corbett added. He said he would not be surprised to see it strengthened this year. "We have to make sure the change in the law is one that is effective," he said. Corbett said he expects more allegations of abuse to materialize, a common occurrence in abuse cases. "When the word gets out, when people understand that authorities are actually doing something about this, that they may be believed, then more people come forward," Corbett said. Authorities have asked for victims to contact them. Sandusky encountered all the boys through a charity he founded to help at-risk children, Second Mile, prosecutors have said. Leaders of the organization plan to meet soon to determine its future, Corbett said. "If you talk to people who have worked with Second Mile, it has done great work," he said. "And if it should cease to exist, I am hopeful that other organizations will pick up the work that they did. We need to reach out to these children. We need to give them guidance." news.yahoo.com/gov-penn-st-assistant-failed-moral-obligation-162543549.html |
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 14, 2011 9:59:10 GMT -5
I hate that people are loosing their jobs behind doing or not doing the right thing. I pray that everyone involved is able to rebuild their lives once the smoke clears.
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Post by Southie on Nov 15, 2011 11:47:37 GMT -5
In many instances, public expectations/criticism matter just as much as the law does...thats why Paterno was fired. Legally he did what was required, but the public doesn't feel that he did enough. Therefore, the BOT made the decision to fire him. He was held to a higher standard. I haven't heard much public criticism of Schultz and Curely either, but I think its because they have been charged. I heard that even though he was fired, he is still getting all of the "financial just due" as if he just retired. I hope this isn't true. |
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Post by Rare_Commodity on Nov 15, 2011 12:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by Sapphire on Nov 15, 2011 20:48:55 GMT -5
I didn't listen to Sandusky's interview, but I did hear him pause for way too long before answering a bunch of mumbo jumbo in response to was he sexually attracted to children. If you have to explain then you've got issues. Sick bastard.
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